PG: Bulls stampede Bucks

[coolhandluke121]

Right now Giannis doesn't have the ball enough to be a primary creator and volume scorer. Can't remember who posted it, but someone with a connection said the Bucks think it's too physically taxing on him (which somewhat makes sense given his defensive responsibilities and the fact that he works harder than most for his points).

It is a lot to ask. A guy that tall and long has to crouch a lot to get a low dribble. That takes a lot of energy. There's no reason to have him dribbling much at all except on fast breaks or 1-2 dribble drives to the basket. The reason he's not scoring even more is because the team doesn't have a good floor general, not because they should give Giannis the ball more or he should demand it more.

[thomchatt3rton]

Regarding debates on Giannis's decision-making and passiveness, it probably has something to do with coaching and teammates and his lack of a jumper, but overall I think the main point is that he's just not a floor general. He's much more like Westbrook than CP3. I think the pg experiment only worked in the sense that he was much better than Knight, Bayless, or MCW, which isn't saying much. Ultimately he needs to play with someone who knows how to ration out shots, get people the ball where they want it, and take some of the play-making burden off of him. His game should be more about finishing, not running the offense. He will still get plenty of chances to score and get assists, but without so much wasted time with the ball in his hands.

I think youre probably right that just bcuz Giannis is a good passer doesnt mean hes a "true" PG- us fans maybe guilty of conflating the 2.
His playmaking ability should be gravy, not the main entree.

My opinion had been that we could get by without a "true" PG and just have multiple, decent playmakers- PG by committee. I think that has worked fairly well, but maybe its more of an issue than I thought. Or, maybe theres more to be gained by having a true pg than i previously thought.

[MilHammer]

Regarding debates on Giannis's decision-making and passiveness, it probably has something to do with coaching and teammates and his lack of a jumper, but overall I think the main point is that he's just not a floor general. He's much more like Westbrook than CP3. I think the pg experiment only worked in the sense that he was much better than Knight, Bayless, or MCW, which isn't saying much. Ultimately he needs to play with someone who knows how to ration out shots, get people the ball where they want it, and take some of the play-making burden off of him. His game should be more about finishing, not running the offense. He will still get plenty of chances to score and get assists, but without so much wasted time with the ball in his hands.

Also this 100%. Giannis has good vision, and due to his athleticism/ability to get to the rim, he can create openings for his teammates and generally find the open man. However, I don't see him ever really running an offense, calling plays and getting people in motion. When our ball movement disappears at times, its apparent we need someone else on the floor who can share those responsibilities with him. Brog falls in the same camp imo. He protects the ball, makes the right pass and gets his own looks. Still not quite someone who can unlock defenses with his playmaking ability though.

[Fotis St]

When is the novelty of starting Thon going to wear off?

Dude sucks right now. He shouldn't be seeing the floor in the middle of a playoff push.

So you have figured out what Thon is in Kidd's stupid 6min window he starts him...

WTF?

Delly sucks, Telly sucks , Henson sucks ... and they are all veterans and overpaid with no excuse... And you attack on Thon's value in Kidd's stupid rotation system ...

Can't disagree more

[averageposter]

I think the idea of Thon at the beginning of the game ran it's course. I liked seeing him get the minutes, but in that short window at the outset of games and the half, that time is mostly spent establishing the stars, and it absolutely should be. I'd like to think if we weren't set in Monroe off the bench, and finding minutes for guys like Henson and Hawes on those many , many nights where those guys give you nothing, that Thon could be a roll man a few plays, or we could work to sneak him out to the three point line. Manufacture a few points on the second unit and he'd face the same second line Monroe can often feast on. But that said I don't think shuffling lineups of finding a favorable situation for him matters much now, with the playoffs looming and the team playing well.

[Prince12]

I think the idea of Thon at the beginning of the game ran it's course. I liked seeing him get the minutes, but in that short window at the outset of games and the half, that time is mostly spent establishing the stars, and it absolutely should be. I'd like to think if we weren't set in Monroe off the bench, and finding minutes for guys like Henson and Hawes on those many , many nights where those guys give you nothing, that Thon could be a roll man a few plays, or we could work to sneak him out to the three point line. Manufacture a few points on the second unit and he'd face the same second line Monroe can often feast on. But that said I don't think shuffling lineups of finding a favorable situation for him matters much now, with the playoffs looming and the team playing well.

Sure but the issue is we don't really have anyone better. Moose should stay in his role, i like him coming in 5 or so minutes after the start, gives us solid play at the C when either Giannis or Mids are having a rest. Continuing to stagger our guys keeps us in games. Outside of once or twice where Thon has been clearly monstered i still feel he is giving us solid defense even if his outside shot hasn't been falling for awhile.

Hates just flat out sucks, he is a terrible player and has fooled a few by knocking down a couple threes in a couple games. And Henson, well sure he can be great one out of every ten games but its the other nights that literally kill us. He is horrific for our offense and is and absolute bonehead down the other end when not engaged. If somehow he was able to consistently contribute then sure id be starting him but i just don't see it.