The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[RegulatorJoe]

Jabari will want Embiids's 5/148 mil, no?

Of course but depending on how long he plays I think they settle on a 1 year

[coolhandluke121]

Honestly I can not believe the general consensus on Jabari. If I was a Bucks fan I would be incredibly pissed if Jabari got like 4/$80M. It's not like he's really a difficult player to replace, and Giannis has a 5 year window before he may leave for another franchise. I'm not taking my chances. No freaking way. You have a pretty good team around Giannis. You could attract a good free agent. I don't really consider it a long shot.

Jabari really isn't that good even if he stays healthy. And the odds of that aren't good. He's going to have a lot of swelling and various other problems in all likelihood.

Most people here know that. Some just aren't ready to talk about it yet and are carrying on as if they don't, but they do.

[bucksbrewers3]

Even though embiids contract is only half guaranteed 74 mil is a lot of money for a guy that only played in a total of 31 games in 3 years. As Jabari goes I think he has offensive talent when healthy not a great fit but talented. I would be upset with anything over 40 mil 3-4 year contract.

[jute2003]

Honestly I can not believe the general consensus on Jabari. If I was a Bucks fan I would be incredibly pissed if Jabari got like 4/$80M. It's not like he's really a difficult player to replace, and Giannis has a 5 year window before he may leave for another franchise. I'm not taking my chances. No freaking way. You have a pretty good team around Giannis. You could attract a good free agent. I don't really consider it a long shot.

Jabari really isn't that good even if he stays healthy. And the odds of that aren't good. He's going to have a lot of swelling and various other problems in all likelihood.

Most people here know that. Some just aren't ready to talk about it yet and are carrying on as if they don't, but they do.

Tick

[raferfenix]

If the Sixers can give Embiid a contract with ample protections given the great likelihood his career is an injury-riddled mess...maybe the Bucks can do it too?

Or we are just scewed. Dreams of getting Jabari on a discount probably just went out the window either way.

[coolhandluke121]

Most people here know that. Some just aren't ready to talk about it yet and are carrying on as if they don't, but they do.

Tick

Hey, I said "most". Obviously I can't give everyone that much credit.

[BMatt07]

I'm a big Jabari fan, but if he asked for even 1 cent more than what Giannis is getting I would laugh him out of the building..

[ReasonablySober]

Parker's an effortlessly efficient 20 ppg scorer with some playmaking ability who doesn't stop the ball. I don't think players that young and that good at what they do grow on trees.

The question with Parker that I've always come back to since his first injury is this: what's the alternative? Is it the 10 cents on the dollar package via trade? Is Giannis gonna go down early some season and the Bucks luck their way to a high pick? I don't see a better solution than paying Parker and hoping he improves defensively (and stays healthy).

[Max Green]

I'm a big Jabari fan, but if he asked for even 1 cent more than what Giannis is getting I would laugh him out of the building..

The numbers Giannis signed for year ago (before his breakout season) is irrelevant to whatever Jabari signs for due the salary cap exploding.

[xTitan]

Parker's an effortlessly efficient 20 ppg scorer with some playmaking ability who doesn't stop the ball. I don't think players that young and that good at what they do grow on trees.

The question with Parker that I've always come back to since his first injury is this: what's the alternative? Is it the 10 cents on the dollar package via trade? Is Giannis gonna go down early some season and the Bucks luck their way to a high pick? I don't see a better solution than paying Parker and hoping he improves defensively (and stays healthy).

Been saying this from day 1, Parker is also an emerging 3 point shooter, you need stars next to Giannis now, after year 2 of Giannis contract, he sees scrubs like DJ Wilson he is going to want out...nobody on here has been able to tell me a better way to add stars to this roster.

[jute2003]

Parker's an effortlessly efficient 20 ppg scorer with some playmaking ability who doesn't stop the ball. I don't think players that young and that good at what they do grow on trees.

The question with Parker that I've always come back to since his first injury is this: what's the alternative? Is it the 10 cents on the dollar package via trade? Is Giannis gonna go down early some season and the Bucks luck their way to a high pick? I don't see a better solution than paying Parker and hoping he improves defensively (and stays healthy).

That's the thing.... He is or at least was already a talented offensive player and already a neutral impact player who was only going to improve. 20/21 year olds doing what he could offensively are rare and get paid accordingly.

He doesn't deserve a max at this point. If he gets it, it is a huge risk and a **** decision by management. To act like he won't ever be worth 10 mil a year is incredibly asinine at best though. CHL's schtick must be warping people's perspectives or something.

[ReasonablySober]

Parker's an effortlessly efficient 20 ppg scorer with some playmaking ability who doesn't stop the ball. I don't think players that young and that good at what they do grow on trees.

The question with Parker that I've always come back to since his first injury is this: what's the alternative? Is it the 10 cents on the dollar package via trade? Is Giannis gonna go down early some season and the Bucks luck their way to a high pick? I don't see a better solution than paying Parker and hoping he improves defensively (and stays healthy).

Been saying this from day 1, Parker is also an emerging 3 point shooter, you need stars next to Giannis now, after year 2 of Giannis contract, he sees scrubs like DJ Wilson he is going to want out...nobody on here has been able to tell me a better way to add stars to this roster.

I'm far from a Parker guy, but once the injuries kicked in and the trade value cratered the Bucks were left with no good options. Right now the best one is giving him that deal he wants, putting cap relief clauses in if he goes down again, and hope stays healthy and improves. I haven't seen a better option that's remotely realistic or makes sense for the Bucks.

[ReasonablySober]

Parker's an effortlessly efficient 20 ppg scorer with some playmaking ability who doesn't stop the ball. I don't think players that young and that good at what they do grow on trees.

The question with Parker that I've always come back to since his first injury is this: what's the alternative? Is it the 10 cents on the dollar package via trade? Is Giannis gonna go down early some season and the Bucks luck their way to a high pick? I don't see a better solution than paying Parker and hoping he improves defensively (and stays healthy).

That's the thing.... He is or at least was already a talented offensive player and already a neutral impact player who was only going to improve. 20/21 year olds doing what he could offensively are rare and get paid accordingly.

He doesn't deserve a max at this point. If he gets it, it is a huge risk and a **** decision by management. To act like he won't ever be worth 10 mil a year is incredibly asinine at best though. CHL's schtick must be warping people's perspectives or something.

I don't think you can honestly call him a neutral player. He wasn't so incredible on offense as to make up for being lost on defense. But I could see, with time and experience, that he could be a legit positive. If the range is there and he ups the volume while still taking advantage of the attention Giannis gets, he'd be 25-28 ppg guy on great efficiency. All he needs to became is not bad on defense, and he'd be a max contract guy.

[jute2003]

Parker's an effortlessly efficient 20 ppg scorer with some playmaking ability who doesn't stop the ball. I don't think players that young and that good at what they do grow on trees.

The question with Parker that I've always come back to since his first injury is this: what's the alternative? Is it the 10 cents on the dollar package via trade? Is Giannis gonna go down early some season and the Bucks luck their way to a high pick? I don't see a better solution than paying Parker and hoping he improves defensively (and stays healthy).

That's the thing.... He is or at least was already a talented offensive player and already a neutral impact player who was only going to improve. 20/21 year olds doing what he could offensively are rare and get paid accordingly.

He doesn't deserve a max at this point. If he gets it, it is a huge risk and a **** decision by management. To act like he won't ever be worth 10 mil a year is incredibly asinine at best though. CHL's schtick must be warping people's perspectives or something.

I don't think you can honestly call him a neutral player. He wasn't so incredible on offense as to make up for being lost on defense. But I could see, with time and experience, that he could be a legit positive. If the range is there and he ups the volume while still taking advantage of the attention Giannis gets, he'd be 25-28 ppg guy on great efficiency. All he needs to became is not bad on defense, and he'd be a max contract guy.

Before the whole team cratered last year he was at neutral. Even after, he stayed close.
He could earn the max contract if it were given to him. I just don't think it would be financially prudent for the organization to offer it to him at this point. That being said....theyre gonna pay him more than 10 mil a year because even with the risk he deserves more than 10.

[Pachinko_]

I'd be happy with Jabari getting a big contract if the doctors say his knee is ok. We can work around his defense with a different coach.

What I dont get is why people say it's impossible to get talent any other way. Presti has brought more talent to OKC in 10 years than the Bucks had in 50. Pop gets talent in small market SA. You need a superstar, a good team, a good GM and a serious organisation top to bottom. We're not *that* far, keep working at it.

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[emunney]

I'm a big Jabari fan, but if he asked for even 1 cent more than what Giannis is getting I would laugh him out of the building..

The numbers Giannis signed for year ago (before his breakout season) is irrelevant to whatever Jabari signs for due the salary cap exploding.

The cap had exploded already when Giannis signed. And I don't know if Giannis had ever missed two games in a row.

[Thunder Muscle]

I think Jabari bets on himself in 18-19, plays under QO, and leaves as a UFA after that season.

[paulpressey25]

Jabari, great what Embiid got, but we'll continue the contract discussions on July 1, 2018.

[ReginaldDwight]

Jabari, great what Embiid got, but we'll continue the contract discussions on July 1, 2018.

Dont see how you offer a contract on a hurt player, really no other option but to take this to RFA.

[Pachinko_]

Jabari, great what Embiid got, but we'll continue the contract discussions on July 1, 2018.

Dont see how you offer a contract on a hurt player, really no other option but to take this to RFA.

I think we're talking about the possibility that he's back in Feb and then looks good for a couple of months, what do you do then.

(unless there's some other deadline I didn't know about?)