Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[emunney]

One move I keep coming back to is DDV for Jalen Brunson. Nova for Nova, allows us to move Jrue to 2 in the starting lineup and gives us another great halfcourt option with Brunson's high level PnR play.

[Frank Nova]

Winning basketball? Winning basketball starts and ends with consistency and that’s 1 aspect Donte shows zero promise. So give me all your advanced stats and all the BS but there’s nothing you can say that changes that.

And just for fun, I’m curious to know if Jrue Holiday misses that game winner against Memphis, is Holiday scrutinized or does the board call DDV a straight terd for letting Morant essentially walk past him for the game leading bucket? Because mr big time college performer looked just like Pat C playing D on Morant in that critical situation so how good of a defender is DDV if he’s useless in those situations? What else is he in the starting unit for? Play D and hit 3s but he’s an average shooter at best and his defense is blown out of proportion by stats that are clearly inflated due to the talent he’s on the floor with.

Im missing here what exactly DDV does that sets him apart?

And RPM is a garbage stat for a player with a non existent usage rate. I’ll just throw that out there. That’s not impressive at all. Especially last year. The 5th starter on the best team in the league with a historical winning margin at the end of the year only finishes 8th among his position? Anyone even slightly better than average finishes top 5 at worst just based off the fact you’re surrounded by the 2x mvp, a 2x all star and 2 2x all defensive players. Lmao. Wow.

Plain and simple point, we need DDV to replace Malcolm Brogdon. In every sense of what we lost in Malcolm Brogdon, we needed DDV to learn from Wes last year as a cheap bandaid so he was ready to take over that role this year. How’s that working out? Please.

When you compare DDV to Brogdon like everyone should be doing, It’s a joke and ppl sticking up for him are laughable for it.

Did I ever say DDV sucks or he shouldn’t be in the league? No I didn’t. Should he be the starting SG for the Bucks? Not if they want to win a title while Giannis is still here. I’ll gladly eat crow if that day ever comes but I’ll die of old age before it ever does.

I really don't see how Donte isn't consistent. He consistently contributes by effort and defense even if he doesn't score.

Talking to someone who literally doesn't believe a player causing his team to play better than the other team is what's important is trippy and fun.

While I appreciate the conversation myself, I’m not really sure what your comment is supposed to mean?

“Causing his team to play better than the other team”. These are the things you say to define a players basketball ability? Lol. But I’m the one being patronized here? That’s kinda sad. You’ve given me RPM so far as your telling statistic that shows DDV is somehow this magical contributor that deserves a starting spot on a championship team. And outside of that I’ve gotten vague statements about his “consistent” hustle and effort and basically no more than just his ability to simply “try”. That’s garbage. I’m not in the slightest bit impressed by what DDV has turned into, nor contributed so far as a Buck. He’s a fine player but I had much higher hopes and if he’s not upgraded for simply a better player, we aren’t legit contenders in my eyes. Brook certainly falls into this category as well as Augustin Forbes and Craig who were all signed to be contributors that have all shown about nothing in regards to moving the needle.

But again, DDV was groomed as the Brogdon replacement and he’s failing miserably no matter what you want to say. I’ve seen ppl talking about if DDV was better, we wouldn’t be able to afford him, is that some type of term of endearment I’m missing? We’re lucky he’s only average and tries really hard because dudes like that don’t get paid a lot?!? Lol. Seriously?

We’ve been bashed all season long for losing to the good teams we play but now DDV gets the “atta boy” for “helping us be better than the other teams”. I guess no one sees the irony there

And to be fair I’d like to give more credit to DDVs great National Title game 4yrs ago and apparently he single handed beat Wisconsin because those are more fun facts ive gotten to prove DDVs current relevance... more gems I suppose you could say.

[crowhead76]

DJA for Ntiikina
DJW for Nwaba
Craig for PJ Dozier

[ReasonablySober]

I can't take anyone seriously who believes you can't have DDV as a starter (or even as a 6th man type!) and win the title. It ignores all of NBA history.

[Daver]

Some good players to target with a DDV+ package:

Rozier
Lavine
Jerami Grant
Valanciunas
Vucevic
Myles Turner
Harrison Barnes

Obviously the details would vary greatly depending on the other players and contracts involved, but I'm just posting this to show that I'm not close-minded about trading DDV despite being one of his biggest fans.

Give me vucevic for lopez n DDV do that in a heartbeat bring in burks to take DDVs place

[emunney]

Complain about Morant hitting a tough scoop in traffic over Donte, but forget about the next play when Morant was supposed to get it back off the inbound but Donte cut it off and Memphis got a contested 30 footer instead.

[coolhandluke121]

I really don't see how Donte isn't consistent. He consistently contributes by effort and defense even if he doesn't score.

Talking to someone who literally doesn't believe a player causing his team to play better than the other team is what's important is trippy and fun.

“Causing his team to play better than the other team”. These are the things you say to define a players basketball ability? Lol. But I’m the one being patronized here? That’s kinda sad. You’ve given me RPM so far as your telling statistic that shows DDV is somehow this magical contributor that deserves a starting spot on a championship team.

It's not "magic" at all and it's not just based on RPM. Literally everything points to him being a very valuable contributor, including the eye test - unless you're just completely unwilling or unable to see all the ways he's contributing even when he's not scoring.

[WRau1]

Jerami Grant is my favorite nonBucks player, I'd love to have him here. Don't see why DET trades him, though.

[coolhandluke121]

Compared to other teams throughout history:
Best player Giannis: way above average
2nd-best player Khris: above average
3rd-best player Jrue: way above average
4th-best player DDV: way above average
5th-12th: below average

Compared to other legit contenders throughout history:
Best player Giannis: about average (elite competition here)
2nd-best player Khris: below average
3rd-best player Jrue: about average
4th-best player DDV: about average
5th-12th: insert picture of giant pile of rhinoceros dung from Jurassic Park here

[Ruzious]

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MKE: Montrezl, Wes Matthews, Kostas A.
LAL: Brook, Nwora

Whoa, I just read the tweat from Harrell. That's not good at all. I hope he's ok and getting help.

Gotta wonder what led him to say that. Hopefully just a misunderstanding.

[thrice123]

He wants a black coach and black gm. That was really important for him coming to Detroit. Like you said though i would love him here too. That dude has taken major strides the past 2 years.

Jerami Grant is my favorite nonBucks player, I'd love to have him here. Don't see why DET trades him, though.

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[LuessiT]

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Frank showcase tomorrow?

[smauss]

One move I keep coming back to is DDV for Jalen Brunson. Nova for Nova, allows us to move Jrue to 2 in the starting lineup and gives us another great halfcourt option with Brunson's high level PnR play.

That would be one trade of DDV I'd go for. Loved this kids game, and you are correct with his effectiveness on PnR!
This would not help us defensively at the 5 tho! That HAS to be dealt with.

[blazza18]

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Must be in Middleton's contract that every time we release a new jersey we use his number.

[WRau1]

DJA still has roots in ORL and is well liked there, Bucks need to get on that. DJA + Merrill/Nwora + future pick for Bamba. Clears space for a buyout as well. Still have DJW & Craig's expiring deals go go after a proper backup guard.

[tski1972]

Is Juan Hernangomez worth a look? Looks like he’s out of Minnesota’s rotation.

[Ron Swanson]

Is Juan Hernangomez worth a look? Looks like he’s out of Minnesota’s rotation.

He kinda sucks, but maybe there's some upside there if all you have to do is swap them Augustin. They may want to just get out from that bleh contract they just signed him to, and would prefer DJ's non-guaranteed salary on that 3rd year.

[tski1972]

Is Juan Hernangomez worth a look? Looks like he’s out of Minnesota’s rotation.

He kinda sucks, but maybe there's some upside there if all you have to do is swap them Augustin. They may want to just get out from that bleh contract they just signed him to, and would prefer DJ's non-guaranteed salary on that 3rd year.

I believe Hernangomez’ third year isn’t guaranteed either.

[Ron Swanson]

It really shouldn't be that difficult to upgrade the 8th-9th spots in your rotation any given year, but again, this is what happens when you have zero tradeable draft assets to utilize. It becomes a lot more difficult than it should be.

Just don't see any trades that get you a really solid player without taking a chainsaw to the starting-5. Donte and Brook need to be going out in almost all scenarios because of both matching salary and positive value factors. Think we need to accept that we're stuck with Augustin as well, and it's not worth adding him in trade packages where he negates the overall value. Still think we'll ultimately move Wilson or Craig in some minor deal to free up a roster spot, but who really even wants either of them at this point?

[drone3]

DJW + Craig for Jabari