Jrue Agrees to 4/135-160 Extension

[drew881]

We got Jeff Teague too, for all those guys in the summer who wanted Teague instead. Horst pleasing everyone on this board.

[glenn]

Really happy to have him extended. I’ve always loved him and glad that he’s going to be a Buck for years.

It’s always going to be a low probability that any specific team wins a championship, so if that’s your only measuring stick for success you are probably going to be disappointed. It’s pretty easy to say, “just wait until we get bounced,” since that’s the most likely scenario for everyone. At this point I’m just happy that my favorite team has some great players and is a legit title threat. And that the trade didn’t end up an unmitigated disaster.

[SIMMIES]

[quote="MickeyDavis"][tweet]1378746850816188420[/tweet][/quote]



Mickey, does this mean ownership won't have a problem spending $$$ now that they are in cap hell? Thanks.

[SIMMIES]

[quote="BigO"][quote="msiris"]I hope Bud uses him more like last night. Giannis does not need to do everything.


Yes. This is important. You don't pay a point guard $40 million and not have him run the offense.



...or coach the team!

[jschligs]

Spoiler:

Congratulations guys.
I wanted him in Boston but the asking price was just too much. You really wanted him and that's why you paid so much.
That Smart/Holiday backcourt tho would have been something else defensively. Oh well.
Congrats again.
Find guys like Portis on cheap contracts, don't pay guys like Lopez and you'll be good.

The asking price wasn’t “so much” - it was basically exactly what he’d get anywhere else had he chose to wait until the offseason.

I bet KGtabake is referring to the Celtics bowing out of the bidding war last offseason when the Bucks made a godfather offer to the Pelicans.

I'm remembering a report about the Bucks throwing in an additional first round pick to close the deal.

Latest from Ainge though is that the bidding war was overstated, though this certainly could be more of a PR maneuver:

Read on Twitter

Also found this:

Brian Windhorst and Kevin Arnovitz, the New Orleans Pelicans wanted a top-10 pick for Holiday. The Celtics tried to get one so they could flip it to New Orleans, but no such deal ever came through.

“The Bucks have been more motivated than any team to acquire Holiday, but they weren’t the best equipped. The Pelicans made it known to suitors that they wanted a top-10 pick in this year’s draft, sources said, and a number of teams went hunting to try to get one. The Denver Nuggets and Boston Celtics were particularly aggressive but couldn’t find a deal.”

Arnovitz and Windhorst went on to report that the Bucks managed to get Holiday because they had a ton of long-term draft capital to send New Orleans’ way, and once the Pelicans realized they weren’t getting a top-10 pick, their focus shifted, paving the way for Milwaukee to enter talks.

Celtics had three 2020 first round picks (No. 14, No. 26 and No. 30) which they ultimately did not use to get the Pelicans the top-10 pick they wanted.

https://nesn.com/2020/12/nba-rumors-why-celtics-fell-short-in-jrue-holiday-trade-sweepstakes/

You would be correct, I misinterpreted what he was saying.

I’m glad we took the gamble though, getting a top player now as opposed to trying to draft one and build them up would’ve wasted Giannis’ prime. Here’s hoping we can win a chip.

[raferfenix]

Ainge had 3 picks in the 2020 draft and all of the Celtics' firsts moving forward.

Danny could have bested the Bucks' offer for Holiday if he wanted to, which he is saying he didn't, per his interview saying he didn't even offer the 3 picks.

Feeling like this was a more questionable decision than the Nuggets and Hawks bowing out of the running -- even when accounting for how expensive the Jrue extension proved to be.

Curious to check out the Celtics' board discussion towards these ends:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2006640&start=1880

[JayMKE]

It’s a ton of money but we didn’t have much of a choice after trading so much for him, he’s been ballin’ out like a guy that’s gonna about to get paid $40M a year. Let’s hope it pays off in the playoffs!

[emunney]

Jrue may well be the best player we’ve ever signed in the open market. And he’s saying he’s a buck for life! How far we have come as a franchise compared to 4 years ago!

How is this the open market? This is with him under contract before he'd hit the open market.

What really happened: When the Bucks traded for him, they gave up so much, that they virtually had to re-sign him - which dramatically increased Jrue's bargaining positions. And the result is this ginormous contract. Now, we need to win a championship. Next season, we cut corners around the big 3 even more. For better or for worse, everyone should have seen this coming. It's hardly a surprise. It's when we win a championship that we can exhale - not now.

I think the best thing for his bargaining position has been playing great at both ends AND being the best person in the league, a truly reliable star.

I look at what Lowry could have been traded for and I no longer sweat this amount or length at all.

[emunney]

Ainge had 3 picks in the 2020 draft and all of the Celtics' firsts moving forward.

Danny could have bested the Bucks' offer for Holiday if he wanted to, which he is saying he didn't, per his interview saying he didn't even offer the 3 picks.

Feeling like this was a more questionable decision than the Nuggets and Hawks bowing out of the running -- even when accounting for how expensive the Jrue extension proved to be.

Curious to check out the Celtics' board discussion towards these ends:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2006640&start=1880

Looking like not getting Harden was the fatal ****. In hindsight if he could have gotten Harden for Brown or Tatum, he should have.

[GoldenAntlers]

! Love Jrue. Congrats.

[paulpressey25]

It's when we win a championship that we can exhale - not now.

True.

We probably have to win it this year, and if not, figure out how to best monetize Khris in the summer in some sort of reboot deal.

That said, if the team stays healthy and can get PJ healthy, we've got a legit shot over NJ and PHI IMO.

[paulpressey25]

We got Jeff Teague too, for all those guys in the summer who wanted Teague instead. Horst pleasing everyone on this board.

That was an amazing PG draft:

Harden (who knew he'd be a 10 assist guy)
Steph
Rubio
Johnny Flynn
Jennings
Ty Lawson
Jrue Holiday
Teague
Darren Collison

Heck, Patty Mills came out of Round 2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_draft

[Prez]

So the base amount is 4/135, when do we know what the incentives are that could push it up to 160?

[LikeABosh]

So the base amount is 4/135, when do we know what the incentives are that could push it up to 160?

If he convinces David Dunn that Khris Middleton ain't so bad he gets the extra 25

[thonnisbeastley]

Saw the title of the thread and wanted to puke. $40M per is way too much for him but when I saw that it's a baseline 4/135 with incentives I felt a little better about it. Still going to be paying a 35 year old $40M in the last year though. Here's Horst once again with the overpay. Many of you think this is a great deal and we had to do it, you're probably right we did have to re-sign him...Maybe some of those incentives are likely unreachable, which will be good for us overall. Here's to paying Khris/Giannis/Jrue $120-$140M per for the next 3 years if we keep that core.

My guess is that if we don't reach at least the ECF this season, Khris is gone. Maybe that's the whole point of this deal, in which case I'd feel much better about it. Khris has shown some streakiness during the season and an inability to perform in the playoffs. He will also likely net a huge return of role players that can help solidify us as contenders compared to the Forbes/Pat C's of the league.

[humanrefutation]

The nice thing about this is that it affords them a few years to figure out the right fit around the core three.

[All The Bucks]

Get back to me when we get bounced in the 2nd round and you realize you've locked yourself into a core that's not enough.

There were only two options, extend him or watch him walk and have still have no cap room to adequately replace him. The route the Bucks chose gives them a chance to win with him and allows them control of an asset for an additional 3 years minimum. If you think they made a "mistake" extending him, then it means you would have rather let him depart for nothing and then be unable to sign anyone of significance to replace him. I question the thought process of someone who thinks extending him was a dumb move. I would have given you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you jumped the gun with your snap reaction (again) when you saw the inflated numbers Jrue's agent got out there. But then you doubled down on this terrible take even after learning Jrue's contract is very much in line with his abilities and ranking among NBA guards. So I have no choice but to conclude you're either trolling or just not that smart.

[humanrefutation]

Danny Ainge is the master of the "I could have made this deal but I didn't" statement. Jrue. Kawhi. AD. PG. Harden. It's always the same-old, same-old with him. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. But it's at least by his choice, right Danny?

To be fair to them, they've been a good team for several years now. Maybe his refusal to make a big move will turn out to be the right one.

But to be fair to everyone who did make that splash - the Celtics haven't won a damn thing. And they're clearly now, at their very best, behind the Bucks, 76ers, and Nets. So please excuse me if I'm inclined to roll my eyes at anything Ainge has to say.

[BigO]

Saw the title of the thread and wanted to puke. $40M per is way too much for him but when I saw that it's a baseline 4/135 with incentives I felt a little better about it. Still going to be paying a 35 year old $40M in the last year though. Here's Horst once again with the overpay. Many of you think this is a great deal and we had to do it, you're probably right we did have to re-sign him...Maybe some of those incentives are likely unreachable, which will be good for us overall. Here's to paying Khris/Giannis/Jrue $120-$140M per for the next 3 years if we keep that core.

My guess is that if we don't reach at least the ECF this season, Khris is gone. Maybe that's the whole point of this deal, in which case I'd feel much better about it. Khris has shown some streakiness during the season and an inability to perform in the playoffs. He will also likely net a huge return of role players that can help solidify us as contenders compared to the Forbes/Pat C's of the league.

If the Bucks don't reach the ECF, then Bud has to go. The Bucks have elite individual defenders, but don't play elite defense. That has to change.

[LuessiT]

Ainge had 3 picks in the 2020 draft and all of the Celtics' firsts moving forward.

Danny could have bested the Bucks' offer for Holiday if he wanted to, which he is saying he didn't, per his interview saying he didn't even offer the 3 picks.

Feeling like this was a more questionable decision than the Nuggets and Hawks bowing out of the running -- even when accounting for how expensive the Jrue extension proved to be.

Curious to check out the Celtics' board discussion towards these ends:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2006640&start=1880

Looking like not getting Harden was the fatal ****. In hindsight if he could have gotten Harden for Brown or Tatum, he should have.

Us not going for Harden was just as fatal imo. I mean I'm pretty happy how the Jrue thing turned out, but given what he went for there's no way we wouldn't have been able to make a competitive offer with what we gave up for Jrue and Mids. Pretty sure Brooklyn would be a trainwreck without him, too.