Giannis - 2X MVP - FMVP - DPOY - Offseason discussion

[LuessiT]

A man of culture I see.

[BigO]

This is why I hate some of the post(ers) here. We jump so fast in terrible conclusions or solutions forced by pessimism and years long misery.

We get destroyed in game 2 against the Nets and coolhandluke with some other fellows are already done with Giannis as the main guy, want to trade him and blow everything up for a "huge turn back price" like its NBA2K which will make us instantly better, calling everybody who has other opinions dumb, giannis stuns or not brave enough to admit it.

Giannis hurts himself 2 wins away from the finals we are all waiting for the news and this random guy with 180 posts comes and writes that. Seven and 1s . MFs wait a couple of hours first ffs!

Giannis's blew his ACL and possibly his PCL from that type of hyperextension injury. I've scanned multiple knee injuries to know how this turns out. Giannis is done for at least 1 year. He's not playing next year and hopefully will be able to play the following, but he will never be the same explosive player. The problem is, that's all he really has. After his athleticism is gone, you've got a non shooting big that has lost his step.
As a Buck's fan, you just have to realize this team is cursed and move on. I've waited my whole 49 years of life to see a Buck's championship and after tonight, I'm hanging up the hope and moving on. Just not worth the time and heartache to continue to follow this team.

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All I'm saying is if you had to wait for 50-60 years whats a few hours, days or years of prime Giannis more before you give up all hope? We've been blessed by a loyal cyborg Superstar with clear faults and also clear super strengths. Khris Middleton is inconsistent but also equally loyal to the Bucks and amazing fit with Giannis. Jrue played terrible so far but also clearly as best as a third guy we could ever aquire. Coaches and our shooting has been trash but easily replaceable on a contenter.

We are playing in a league who supports superteams and large markets. Every year superstars screw their teams up to hunt easy rings with other beta superstars and the media aplauds them for that. Winning on the hardest road is not an easy task but with Giannis on the Bucks we will always have a chance. Keep believing.

Now I'm done with this subject. I'm too happy to keep fighting right now. Lets beat the Hawks.

Thank you. It needed to be said and I've been waiting a lot longer than 95% of the posters.

Just go back to last night's thread before the injury. The trade Giannis and Giannis sucks guys were out in full force. He's not perfect, but he's the best I've seen since I went to watch Jabbar and the Big O many moons ago. Only this time, Giannis is here for many years and didn't demand to get out.

Now it's time for Jrue to earn his money. He had great shooting stats during the regular season. We need something better than a slightly improved Bledsoe. Bledsoe couldn't stand the bright lights. Time for Jrue to cement his legacy one way or the other.

[greekbuck34]

Power of positive thinking

If we use this board's power of positive thinking towards the championship we will win our next ring in 2450 with some of Giannis great great great grandsons leading the way.

[JayMKE]

If Giannis wants to play and is cleared to do so you have play him, we all see how hard a championship run is and we might not be back to this point again. Would Giannis be putting himself at more danger than Harden this year or KD a few years ago? I don’t think hyperextention is as serious as they dealt with.

[Antinomy]

maybe we should not rush him back, from some guy on reddit

Jonathan Isaac had a horrific looking knee injury in january of last season similar to giannis. He was also ruled to have 'no structural damage', diagnosed with 'posterior lateral corner injury and a medial bone contusion.' and he didn't return until the bubble where he proceeded to tear his acl in that same knee in his second official game back.

https://www.nba.com/news/jonathan-isaac-hyperextended-knee-injury

We were told that the ACL injury wasn't related to the january incident, but either way 'no structural damage' doesn't mean he'll be back playing soon. JI's inital prognosis was re-evlauation in 8-10 weeks.

Non-contact injuries are different though.

Both of Isaac’s injuries were non-contact. As in, he planted & his knee collapsed. I definitely think he already has instability issues which led the ACL being compromised on the 2nd incident.

Giannis got injured because Capela fell into his leg. Much different situation. It was awkward but I knew from the jump (posted in the game thread) that there was a 99% chance there wasn’t any ligament damage.

Guys usually tear their knee up when it’s a non-contact injury. Ex: Murray, Fultz, etc.

Isaac was already an injury-prone guy. Some people just have stronger limbs, muscles, tendons & ligaments.

[PhoenixMilwauke]

He will have 10 days until Game 1. He will be fine.

For anyone (like me) wondering how this is possible - if this series goes the distance game 7 would be Monday 7/5. Using the 2019 finals as a rough guide that would put:
Game 1 7/8 (Thurs.) - 9 days
Game 2 7/11 (Sun.) - 12 days
Game 3 7/14 (Wed.) - 15 days

If he's really "doubtful" for tomorrow's game I don't see how he's not pushing to play by Game 3.

No. The finals dates are set in advance regardless of the conference finals.

Game 1: 7/8
Game 2: 7/10
Game 3: 7/12
Game 4: 7/14
Game 5: 7/17
Game 6: 7/19
Game 7: 7/22

Packer has the right dates actually - Very impressive logical reasoning using nothing but prior finals.

Here's the official schedule
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-playoff-tv-schedule-2021-espn-abc-tnt/

[BigO]

Bud just said he is questionable for game 5....Unreal.

That’s just Bud being dumb

I have a lot of criticisms of Bud, but playing players who are hurt is definitely not one of them. He has pampered them over the last three years, so the only way Giannis plays is if the doctors release him AND they state definitively that he is not in any danger of further, more severe injury because of his condition.

[DingleJerry]

Obviously if the doctors say otherwise so be it. But my look at from afar with no real info would be to sit game 5. It's at home and Trae still might be out, hope you can get that without him. If you lose, well you're down 3-2 on the road might as well be safe since it's such an uphill battle and keep him out. If you happen to win and have a game 7 at home, hope he can play. If you win game 5 without him, might as well try to do it again in game 6 and hope for the best. If you lose and have game 7, hope he can play and go for it if possible. Game 1 of the finals gives him 9ish days off if they can win without him. Hope that could make a big difference.

[MickeyDavis]

For anyone (like me) wondering how this is possible - if this series goes the distance game 7 would be Monday 7/5. Using the 2019 finals as a rough guide that would put:
Game 1 7/8 (Thurs.) - 9 days
Game 2 7/11 (Sun.) - 12 days
Game 3 7/14 (Wed.) - 15 days

If he's really "doubtful" for tomorrow's game I don't see how he's not pushing to play by Game 3.

No. The finals dates are set in advance regardless of the conference finals.

Game 1: 7/8
Game 2: 7/10
Game 3: 7/12
Game 4: 7/14
Game 5: 7/17
Game 6: 7/19
Game 7: 7/22

Packer has the right dates actually - Very impressive logical reasoning using nothing but prior finals.

Here's the official schedule
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-playoff-tv-schedule-2021-espn-abc-tnt/

I don't believe that's correct, I believe the finals start 7/8 regardless. We'll see.

[Swan Vox]

*Cue C-3PO voice*

“Oh thank the maker!!”

[Neuromancer56]

Nah fam, I'm buying a mountain of bubble wrap. Bucks need to wrap him in it and put him on ice til next year. I can't even think about him playing this year and then tearing something. I can't believe I'm saying this but **** the championship. I get that I'm not thinking rationally right now.

[FrieAaron]

Nah fam, I'm buying a mountain of bubble wrap. Bucks need to wrap him in it and put him on ice til next year. I can't even think about him playing this year and then tearing something. I can't believe I'm saying this but **** the championship. I get that I'm not thinking rationally right now.

And if the odds of him getting injured again next year are the exact same?

[Pachinko_]

What a freak
Never skip leg days.

[Neuromancer56]

Nah fam, I'm buying a mountain of bubble wrap. Bucks need to wrap him in it and put him on ice til next year. I can't even think about him playing this year and then tearing something. I can't believe I'm saying this but **** the championship. I get that I'm not thinking rationally right now.

And if the odds of him getting injured again next year are the exact same?

Bruh I got PTSD.

[ShootingtheJ]

Thank the heavens. Dude is a sheer force of nature.

That being said, I would shut him down for the remainder of the playoffs.

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Yep...not worth it! Even if he plays what will he really be able to do?

Not worth the risk of reinjury.

Besides this team needs a bit of restructuring and a culture change.

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Nah, he'll play if they can get to the Finals, and with him they can win. If he's healthy enough to get medical clearance, he'll be good enough to be one of the better players on the floor.

A team with a chance to win the ship really isn't in dire need of a culture change.

[MickeyDavis]

Suki will do her thing but ultimately it will just take time. As an MD I think we've seen the last of him this season ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ajb905]

I'm in the don't risk it category. I've been a fan for ~35 years and know that getting to the finals/winning it all is so rare. But Giannis is too valuable to the franchise to put him in jeopardy.

With his style of play I just don't see it as a good idea of pushing him out there:
1 for the team (Giannis at 50% isn't helping much if he can't attack the rim) and
2 for his health (re-injury when he's trying to attack the rim and guys are hammering him).

[skones]

Anyone who wants to shut Giannis down just because of last night is out of their mind. You wait your whole career for opportunities like these. You might as well lay a red carpet out for us with the Larry O'Brien sitting at the end of it. That's what this opportunity is. It may never come again. If he can go, he goes.

We're about 2 weeks removed from posters saying, UGH WE BLEW IT IN 2019 AND IT WAS RIGHT THERE THAT WAS THE BEST SHOT WE HAD, and then this one which is far better just lays itself out for us like it was god damned destiny. Jrue, Khris, Brook, and PJ aren't getting any younger, and in case some of you forgot, the cupboard is pretty bare when it comes to draft capital. All gas no brakes.

[fan230]

I don't think I would be that emotional even if we'd won the ring.

Agree

[ShootingtheJ]

Suki will do her thing but ultimately it will just take time. As an MD I think we've seen the last of him this season ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Isn't 2 weeks a typical prognosis for a bone bruise? Assuming the patient is a well conditioned individual?

That would allow him to return for our 1st home Finals game.