Who Should Be The 5th Starter?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

This article was 2.5 years ago now, I think we mostly know the answer to the bolded part to be no. I guess there is a small chance for it to change and for him to become a real asset defensively but I won't hold my breath

updated for an article on each of the last 3 years.

his goal is an all defense team. his metrics are mediocre. checked his net ratings and their fine. hes played on some crappy teams i think the effort drops. my favorite part of it was where he became a plus defender in more of an attacking scheme. maybe thats what griff sees.

I watched him exclusively last night on the defensive end. He was terrible. Took a couple gambles, one paid off and he got an easy dunk but a couple didn't and he gave up open looks. He frequently lost his man when he was guarding off ball & Bane beat him several times off the dribble. Beasley's defensive metrics have been bad for years and nothing I've seen in the first two preseason games makes me think he'll be a plus defender, especially if he's tasked with "taking the toughest assignment" Heck in the article you linked they don't even say he's a good defender, they say he became an average defender. He got benched last year in the playoffs by a team trying to win atleast in part because his defense stunk.

if youre right about all that then he needs to be cut. my understanding in the lakers series that the reason he didnt play was because he couldnt hit a shot. getting beat on defense, and all gaurds do.... when your shot is broke as a shooter.... is the best way to develop a reputation for "cant play defense" with the fans..... i saw that nonsense with allen last year despite the fact that he was damn near elite by every metric.

beasley will get beat. all guards do. but if his metrics remain meh as he hits shots within an elite offense then hes our guy. no way i want to throw some rookies ass out there in place of that

[CharityStripe34]

The perfect fifth starter for us would have been Bruce Brown.

I said the same thing last off-season. He would've been an ideal starter or even 6th man instead of signing the corpse of Joe Ingles.

[MVP2110]

updated for an article on each of the last 3 years.

his goal is an all defense team. his metrics are mediocre. checked his net ratings and their fine. hes played on some crappy teams i think the effort drops. my favorite part of it was where he became a plus defender in more of an attacking scheme. maybe thats what griff sees.

I watched him exclusively last night on the defensive end. He was terrible. Took a couple gambles, one paid off and he got an easy dunk but a couple didn't and he gave up open looks. He frequently lost his man when he was guarding off ball & Bane beat him several times off the dribble. Beasley's defensive metrics have been bad for years and nothing I've seen in the first two preseason games makes me think he'll be a plus defender, especially if he's tasked with "taking the toughest assignment" Heck in the article you linked they don't even say he's a good defender, they say he became an average defender. He got benched last year in the playoffs by a team trying to win atleast in part because his defense stunk.

if youre right about all that then he needs to be cut. my understanding in the lakers series that the reason he didnt play was because he couldnt hit a shot. getting beat on defense, and all gaurds do.... when your shot is broke as a shooter.... is the best way to develop a reputation for "cant play defense" with the fans..... i saw that nonsense with allen last year despite the fact that he was damn near elite by every metric.

beasley will get beat. all gaurds do. but if his metrics remain meh as he hits shots within an elite offense then hes our guy. no way i want to throw some rookies ass out there in place of that

Grayson was a solid defender, you won't get any disagreement there from me. I think Beas is considerably worse. I don't want Beas cut, I just think he's a much better fit for the 2nd unit than with the core 4

[H2tObes]

The perfect fifth starter for us would have been Bruce Brown.

I said the same thing last off-season. He would've been an ideal starter or even 6th man instead of signing the corpse of Joe Ingles.

Honest question what makes Bruce Brown much better than Pat? Is Brown really good defensively?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I watched him exclusively last night on the defensive end. He was terrible. Took a couple gambles, one paid off and he got an easy dunk but a couple didn't and he gave up open looks. He frequently lost his man when he was guarding off ball & Bane beat him several times off the dribble. Beasley's defensive metrics have been bad for years and nothing I've seen in the first two preseason games makes me think he'll be a plus defender, especially if he's tasked with "taking the toughest assignment" Heck in the article you linked they don't even say he's a good defender, they say he became an average defender. He got benched last year in the playoffs by a team trying to win atleast in part because his defense stunk.

if youre right about all that then he needs to be cut. my understanding in the lakers series that the reason he didnt play was because he couldnt hit a shot. getting beat on defense, and all gaurds do.... when your shot is broke as a shooter.... is the best way to develop a reputation for "cant play defense" with the fans..... i saw that nonsense with allen last year despite the fact that he was damn near elite by every metric.

beasley will get beat. all gaurds do. but if his metrics remain meh as he hits shots within an elite offense then hes our guy. no way i want to throw some rookies ass out there in place of that

Grayson was a solid defender, you won't get any disagreement there from me. I think Beas is considerably worse. I don't want Beas cut, I just think he's a much better fit for the 2nd unit than with the core 4

i mean i agree thats why i want pat out there as my preferred choice. behind him you put all the other guys giving them oppurtunities here and there. but if you have to start one of that group because you really want pat in that bench role then you go with ajj or beasley. green has his own warts and marjon looks like he needs to be playing 5 on 3 at least beasleys been around and ajj has a donte kind of resume

[Ron Swanson]

If you want Bruce Brown then you could probably package Pat/Bobby/Marjon at the trade deadline when the Pacers are like, 24-32 or something and start selling assets. Not that I think that's a good use of limited assets though.

[H2tObes]

If we're talking dream 5th starter give me Mikal Bridges

[MVP2110]

if youre right about all that then he needs to be cut. my understanding in the lakers series that the reason he didnt play was because he couldnt hit a shot. getting beat on defense, and all gaurds do.... when your shot is broke as a shooter.... is the best way to develop a reputation for "cant play defense" with the fans..... i saw that nonsense with allen last year despite the fact that he was damn near elite by every metric.

beasley will get beat. all gaurds do. but if his metrics remain meh as he hits shots within an elite offense then hes our guy. no way i want to throw some rookies ass out there in place of that

Grayson was a solid defender, you won't get any disagreement there from me. I think Beas is considerably worse. I don't want Beas cut, I just think he's a much better fit for the 2nd unit than with the core 4

i mean i agree thats why i want pat out there as my preferred choice. behind him you put all the other guys giving them oppurtunities here and there. but if you have to start one of that group because you really want pat in that bench role then you go with ajj or beasley. green has his own warts and marjon looks like he needs to be playing 5 on 3 at least beasleys been around and ajj has a donte kind of resume

I voted for AJJ so I think we're mostly on the same page with Pat or MarJon as my backup option. I mainly agree MarJon doesn't look ready, I just also happen to think Beas is the worst fit possible among everyone in the conversation.

[emunney]

If Beasley's just going to take a ton of 3s and make 36% of them, I don't think that's going to help us a ton. That doesn't seem like a 'can't help off him for Dame/Giannis' type of proposition. If he's going to take a ton of 3s and shoot 45% like Forbes, that's eventually going to change how defenses approach him. I'm not convinced he's that kind of shooter even if I expect that's his eventual role on this team. I also think Dre brings a lot to the table offensively, and I don't think defenses will be happy with how it works out for them to leave him by himself.

[-Jragon-]

The perfect fifth starter for us would have been Bruce Brown.

I said the same thing last off-season. He would've been an ideal starter or even 6th man instead of signing the corpse of Joe Ingles.

Honest question what makes Bruce Brown much better than Pat? Is Brown really good defensively?

right.. basically if you don't have 1 elite skill then you should be very good at everything like a jack of all trades. Pat has several holes in his game so I'd go with Beasely if he shows to be elite at a spot up 3, or Marjon or AJJ if he can hound on D plus has that length

[jimmybones]

Haven't read the thread yet but I voted AJJ and I feel strongly about it. He has the highest upside of any of the other options. He has the potential to be the best all around player of all those dudes, poor outside shooting included. Plus, the other dudes are all seem suited as bench role players.

Pat is a well-rounded player but I don't think he's quick enough to be matched up with other teams top wings night after night. Malik, to me is clearly a flamethrower in spurts off the bench, you're not in good shape if he's playing heavy minutes. I'm high on AJ Green but I just can't see him in a larger role than 5-10 minutes here and there when the offense is sluggish. Marjon, really pulling for the dude to put it all together but I don't think he's there yet and is probably better suited in a smaller role- - big and athletic wing to throw at opposing wings that are cooking when we want to give them a different look. I just don't think he's ready for heavy minutes.

AJJ just has "it" man, you can just see it. He seems like a perfect fit for a do everything but score glue guy to slot into a lineup that doesn't really need to have the 5th starter score. I get the spacing concerns, but I don't think it's a massive concern when you have Dame and Giannis combined gravity. Giannis is already used to teams sagging off Jrue to help on him and that was without the Dame out to the logo threat placed on to the defense and Dame is already used to the entire opposing roster being focused on slowing him down.

The biggest benefit of AJJ running with the stars is the defensive burden he'd take off the other perimeter guys but I think there's room for offensive contribution well - definitely in the open court and his playmaking. He's also aware he's not an outside shooter so you don't have to worry about him chucking and taking shots away from Giannis, Dame and Khris, he's willing to play the glue guy role and has some pretty fantastic attributes to pull it off.

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[jimmybones]

Nothing more clear than AJ Green at the SG position. We need long archers to destroy the Giannis wall. Low usage, great character, elite 3p shooter, good size athleticism... good effort, he is absolutely fine letting fly 6-7 3p attempts per game. Green is a huge anti wall tool. Beasley forces things too much, so I think ideally Green is happy with his small role 3p catch&shoot.

I agree with this and I'd also prefer AJ over Beasley for these reasons if we want to go all in on spacing. AJ Green will happily just take (and hit) the open shots he's given. Beasley will have his moments where he can't miss but also many moments where he's seeking to shoot and it will take shots away from Dame, Giannis and Khris

[jute2003]

I hadn't even considered Jae as an option to start TBH

I don't think he is.

[ReasonablySober]

Can't see this thread without wondering WHO IS THE 5TH CYLON?

[sidney lanier]

If it comes down to a tiebreaker, I say we start the one with the best arm.

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If it comes down to a tiebreaker, I say we start the one with the best arm.

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never saw this but instantly my favorite bucks video ever

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the guys talking about ajj with some of these posts are deadass on it with what their saying imo

if all id ever seen to draw a conclusion was BUCKS game film... SL, preseason, and last year to draw a conclusion about everybody id feel really different about our young guys. like if i didnt know draft position or contract or resume id think and this board would be looking at marjon and wigginton and have them in the same tier.

green would be higher for sure and ajj we might view as a lottery pick for all we knew. i dont follow college like alot of you but my first impressions of ajj is that he can flat ball and has the size and length to stick in this league for 10 years maybe even be a star.

tyty and livingston we havent seen enough but that will change.

to me you go with who the baller is. like some of you believe i do too....ajj is the baller in this group. throw draft psosition and all the blah blah blah out and its fricking obvious

[emunney]

After "who is the 5th starter", an emerging major question is, "Is Thanasis going to be in the rotation?" A really funny outcome would be if Griff's system somehow suits him so well that he deserves it.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

After "who is the 5th starter", an emerging major question is, "Is Thanasis going to be in the rotation?" A really funny outcome would be if Griff's system somehow suits him so well that he deserves it.

i floated this in the game thread last night early and had some respected posters either agree instantly or flame me for it.

if he does play my lord will it be controversial but with the new system that motor could have some use

[midranger]

Is a good comp for AJJ: Thanasis with court awareness and BBall IQ?