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jute2003 · Post #101 » by **jute2003** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:50 pm

buckboy wrote:
j_hilge444 wrote:Reddit is a much more pleasant place to be post game than this place. The way some of you find ways to be miserable just to be miserable sure is something.

I've never found the bolded to be true about anything.

Depends on the room

jute2003 · Post #102 » by **jute2003** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:57 pm

Midds being incapable and/or uninterested in not sucking at defense as well as going from bledsoe/holiday to Dame....can't forget defensive savant Beasley.

The system needs tweaks for sure but this team was always taking a step back defensively.

FrieAaron · Post #103 » by **FrieAaron** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:01 pm

I'm anxious to start seeing them play against stiffer competition. It looks like offensively were meshing better and Dame is getting more comfortable. The question is how much of that is playing against teams that have a 10% win percentage. The Indy win was probably the best of the season but by game 82 "better than Indy" probably shouldn't be the bar.

theFireBlanket · Post #104 » by **theFireBlanket** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:03 pm

Shaffty wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

the first season they no longer have an Elite POA defender at Guard btw

I mean, go look at who the guards were when Gobert was in Utah and what his drtg was. Having mediocre guards is not an excuse for playing mediocre defense with two DPOY level guys on the court at the same time.

3/5 of your starters being mid to terrible defenders is a good reason to have a mediocre defense lol.

Griff needs to find an excuse to get Beas coming off the bench. The lineup with Dre slays.

Neuromancer56 · Post #105 » by **Neuromancer56** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:35 pm

One thing in our favor is that we have the 2nd most veteran team in the league. That means that even if Griff is having a rough time of it, were one of the teams in a better position to deal with that because guys can coach each other. I notice that Dame and Khris are constantly talking to each other with motion hand gestures which makes me think they're figuring it out themselves.

machu46 · Post #106 » by **machu46** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:38 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
mediocrityrules wrote:
Still pretty much the same. We have an absolute garbage defense that's not going to get us anywhere in the postseason. It's comical that these bad teams can run up such high scores against us.

Not defending the defense, but part of the high scores against us is because of pace. We're playing faster. It's a higher possession game.

Which is why this stat called defensive rating exists and the Bucks have been bottom 10 in it the entire season.

Technically we are no longer bottom 10 for the season...we're 0.6 points better than the 10th worst defense in terms of defensive rating. 0.6 the other way and you're not talking about league-average defense for the season (and trending up, granted mostly against poor competition).

j_hilge444 · Post #107 » by **j_hilge444** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:46 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
I mean, go look at who the guards were when Gobert was in Utah and what his drtg was. Having mediocre guards is not an excuse for playing mediocre defense with two DPOY level guys on the court at the same time.

3/5 of your starters being mid to terrible defenders is a good reason to have a mediocre defense lol.

Griff needs to find an excuse to get Beas coming off the bench. The lineup with Dre slays.

I agree wholeheartedly, but the issue is Beas basically needs to play with the starters to be of any use. He does a great job of hunting an open shot (and then throwing his arms up, lol - never noticed how often he does that until last night), but doesn't do anything to create.

chonestown · Post #108 » by **chonestown** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:56 pm

I dunno, man, cult of Bud was largely depopulated ca eight months ago.

FrieAaron · Post #109 » by **FrieAaron** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:01 pm

Neuromancer56 wrote:One thing in our favor is that we have the 2nd most veteran team in the league. That means that even if Griff is having a rough time of it, were one of the teams in a better position to deal with that because guys can coach each other. I notice that Dame and Khris are constantly talking to each other with motion hand gestures which makes me think they're figuring it out themselves.

If healthy our top end talent got better which means probably more than anything in the NBA, especially compared to the rosters we had to run that got bounced the last two years. Offense is also > defense, but I'm not sure it's so much so that hanging around the bottom third of the league will get it done.

LedZepp007 · Post #110 » by **LedZepp007** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:04 pm

Both the stats and the eye test say that the Defense sucks

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wallus · Post #111 » by **wallus** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:03 pm

Am I the only one that has noticed Giannis is no longer a beast defensively? (still good obviously)

Dick Tate · Post #112 » by **Dick Tate** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:19 pm

BigO wrote:I like the negativity on this board, as long as there is some factual basis for the conclusion. I was tired of reading Eric Nehm's fanboy articles in The Athletic. I have no idea what Reddit is.

I don't either. Do they discuss 40 point games and triple doubles there?

tedbrogen · Post #113 » by **tedbrogen** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:21 pm

One team ever won a title with a bottom 10 D. And that was a Lakers team that flipped an effort switch and lucked out by not facing an elite offense during that playoff run.

Shaffty · Post #114 » by **Shaffty** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:32 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
I mean, go look at who the guards were when Gobert was in Utah and what his drtg was. Having mediocre guards is not an excuse for playing mediocre defense with two DPOY level guys on the court at the same time.

3/5 of your starters being mid to terrible defenders is a good reason to have a mediocre defense lol.

Griff needs to find an excuse to get Beas coming off the bench. The lineup with Dre slays.

just be patient and let ajax take it naturally

Ron Swanson · Post #115 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:34 pm

tedbrogen wrote:One team ever won a title with a bottom 10 D. And that was a Lakers team that flipped an effort switch and lucked out by not facing an elite offense during that playoff run.

Well this definitely isn't true lol. And you might wanna look at what offenses the Nuggets faced just last playoffs. Yet I'm not picking anyone over them to come out of the West. Ultimately though, yes, the defense needs to get better. Thankfully it's trending in the right direction (12th over the last 20-games).

MiltownHawkeye · Post #116 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:57 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:One team ever won a title with a bottom 10 D. And that was a Lakers team that flipped an effort switch and lucked out by not facing an elite offense during that playoff run.

Well this definitely isn't true lol.

Looked it up out of curiosity, the 2000-01 Lakers had to face the 6th, 7th, 9th, and 13th ranked offenses in the playoffs that year. Idk whether those count as "elite offenses" or not. We were 1st and they should have had to face us but Stern had other plans

rilamann · Post #117 » by **rilamann** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:36 pm

The 2001 Lakers would have steamrolled anyone they had played.

Ironically, the only team that season who might have at least given the Lakers a run for their money in the playoffs was the Bucks. Unfortunately, David Stern wanted no part of a Lakers vs Bucks Finals.

j_hilge444 · Post #118 » by **j_hilge444** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:47 pm

Dick Tate wrote:
BigO wrote:I like the negativity on this board, as long as there is some factual basis for the conclusion. I was tired of reading Eric Nehm's fanboy articles in The Athletic. I have no idea what Reddit is.

I don't either. Do they discuss 40 point games and triple doubles there?

Absolutely hilarious that you’re the first in this thread to mention those. Giannis set a career high in assists and not a peep here! Misery.

BigO · Post #119 » by **BigO** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:55 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:One team ever won a title with a bottom 10 D. And that was a Lakers team that flipped an effort switch and lucked out by not facing an elite offense during that playoff run.

Well this definitely isn't true lol. And you might wanna look at what offenses the Nuggets faced just last playoffs. Yet I'm not picking anyone over them to come out of the West. Ultimately though, yes, the defense needs to get better. Thankfully it's trending in the right direction (12th over the last 20-games).

This is probably a naive question, but is defensive rating solely based on how many points you allow per game, as this link shows? I ask because in the playoffs the scores are always down

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?LastNGames=15&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

But this next link shows defensive efficiency. So, for example on the points allowed link, Miami is 13th, but in the defensive efficiency link they are 18th.Milwaukee is 20th in both. I would think defensive efficiency is the more valuable tool. Thoughts?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency

chonestown · Post #120 » by **chonestown** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:37 pm

j_hilge444 wrote:
Dick Tate wrote:
BigO wrote:I like the negativity on this board, as long as there is some factual basis for the conclusion. I was tired of reading Eric Nehm's fanboy articles in The Athletic. I have no idea what Reddit is.

I don't either. Do they discuss 40 point games and triple doubles there?

Absolutely hilarious that you’re the first in this thread to mention those. Giannis set a career high in assists and not a peep here! Misery.

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