PG Nets: Blow it the **** Up

[raferfenix]

Media coverage is going to be brutal.

Smacking Boston would be the only fair thing to do for the fans.

[midranger]

I feel like it’s been obvious for “at least” two years that we needed to make an old for young trade (most likely involving any/all of Middleton, Lopez, Jrue) even if it meant a temporary step back.

Instead, we have a few embarrassing playoff exits and an aged out roster to show for our consistency.

Never too late to do the right thing, I guess. But we’re dangerously close at this point.

[Siefer]

It's probably inevitable as he gets older, but Giannis is taking more plays off on D and on the glass.

[RogerMurdock]

I want to reiterate that I did not watch a single second of this game. And it's none of your business as to why.

Spoiler:

(celebrating my daughter's birthday)

[kanyon]

https://youtu.be/GLQ2TIul8pI?si=heocX5HpMy2fzFFk

Too bad we didn't hire a younger creative coach who makes adjustments and runs plays and schemes. We got an old one that was 'good at managing characters' or soemthing.

[Ron Swanson]

I gave up on this franchise establishing a "Spurs like" long term culture the second we kicked Bud out the door. He was the closest thing to being our Popovich not from a personality/leadership standpoint, but as a stabilizing figure that gave each roster a high floor and baseline level of success/competency. Everyone knew their role and responsibilities. Lesser talent looked better, "infrastructure wins" were a common occurrence, and you could bank 50+ wins every season even while load managing the top guys.

But we blew it on that front. It's over. Now that we're saddled with Doc, you really do have to just pour all your resources into making this roster as flexible and "Doc proof" as you can for this season and next. Gonna be an interesting trade deadline if we don't start going on a couple long winning streaks these next 3-months. I could see everybody sans Dame and Giannis being on the table.

[chonestown]

I gave up on this franchise establishing a "Spurs like" long term culture the second we kicked Bud out the door. He was the closest thing to being our Popovich not from a personality/leadership standpoint, but as a stabilizing figure that gave each roster a high floor and baseline level of success/competency. Everyone knew their role and responsibilities. Lesser talent looked better, "infrastructure wins" were a common occurrence, and you could bank 50+ wins every season even while load managing the top guys.

But we blew it on that front. It's over. Now that we're saddled with Doc, you really do have to just pour all your resources into making this roster as flexible and "Doc proof" as you can for this season and next. Gonna be an interesting trade deadline if we don't start going on a couple long winning streaks these next 3-months. I could see everybody sans Dame and Giannis being on the table.

The floor was first round playoff exit under Bud.

I'd argue that hasn't changed.

The infrastructure wins is dead-on.

The eternal debate around Bud is the value of stability vs the danger of going stale.

[Ron Swanson]

One thing that instantly registered with me last night is how people used to mock the "blue squares" that Bud utilized in practice and camp. But you saw several instances last night of passes sailing to no one in the corner because the shooter sprinted towards the break or baseline. Well.....that's why you do the blue squares. It's the little stuff on the margins where coaching matters the most.

[Prez]

The Giannis + bench units are getting demolished. Partly due to Bobby being a catastrophe defensively, serious lack of perimeter shot creation/playmaking, and Giannis simply not playing hard enough in hustle areas (defense, rebounding). I think Giannis will turn up when he needs to. As for the other two, Khris will be critical for the 2nd unit playmaking/shot creation, and Bobby being ejected into space should help with the other.

[yannisk]

Dont blow it up now. But blow it up after this season.

Part of me wants Giannis to play for Bucks his entire career. And part od me also want to keep Giannis, Khris and Brook together no matter what. I love how Crosby, Malkin, Letang play together for 19 years (and each of them played only for Penguins). They don't even make playoffs nowadays, but Penguins keep them together anyway. Part of me (big part) wants to keep our trio together until they retire.

BUT, Giannis deserves another ring and he is not getting it with the Bucks. I would trade him after this year. That way he would overtake Jabbar in WS (win share) for Bucks. Also, Khris is very close to overtake Redd in WS. After Giannis become #1 in WS and after Khris become #6 in WS I would trade them to contending team(s).

Don't think Middleton and BroLo belong in the same convo with Giannis. As great as they were in the past, I consider them expendable. Giannis is a different story. He's the best Buck of all time. Worst case scenario, the 2nd best behind only Kareem. Basketball-wise, we cannot realistically expect to find a better player in the foreseeable future. Money-wise, he's generating tons of revenue. If I were Horst, I'd keep Giannis till he retires.

Overseas players come from different cultural backgrounds. Dirk never demanded a trade once the Mavs stopped being contenders. Wouldn't be surprised if Giannis stayed for a long rebuild.

But how good will Giannis be after a long rebuild. If he is traded in the near future he will bring back many assets for the long rebuild

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

That Jrue trade killed us. Even when those teams played poorly I felt like there was hope because we had chemistry. This team has no chemistry. They play like strangers at an open gym. And it's because of our two top 75 all-time players. They don't seem to be a good mix.

Doc has a losing record with the Bucks, right?

On top of that we’re so trapped, how do you fire Doc when you’re paying two or three other coaches already. Plus I’m guessing Giannis or Dame probably doesn’t want to stick around for another coaching change.

I hated the timing of the AG firing. would've been fine with a prunty interim season but there's nothing in Docs history that makes you think he can take a team to the next level. if we would've hired him last off-season, this board would've lost their freaking minds. but we were just so happy to not have AG people were ok with it. now we are stuck cause you can't fire Doc.

[emunney]

I estimate trading Giannis would set us back about 46 years

[Gant]

I estimate trading Giannis would set us back about 46 years

It would be painful, but imagine the bidding war. The haul he'd bring in would be breathtaking.

[flaco]

Dont blow it up now. But blow it up after this season.

Part of me wants Giannis to play for Bucks his entire career. And part od me also want to keep Giannis, Khris and Brook together no matter what. I love how Crosby, Malkin, Letang play together for 19 years (and each of them played only for Penguins). They don't even make playoffs nowadays, but Penguins keep them together anyway. Part of me (big part) wants to keep our trio together until they retire.

BUT, Giannis deserves another ring and he is not getting it with the Bucks. I would trade him after this year. That way he would overtake Jabbar in WS (win share) for Bucks. Also, Khris is very close to overtake Redd in WS. After Giannis become #1 in WS and after Khris become #6 in WS I would trade them to contending team(s).

Don't think Middleton and BroLo belong in the same convo with Giannis. As great as they were in the past, I consider them expendable. Giannis is a different story. He's the best Buck of all time. Worst case scenario, the 2nd best behind only Kareem. Basketball-wise, we cannot realistically expect to find a better player in the foreseeable future. Money-wise, he's generating tons of revenue. If I were Horst, I'd keep Giannis till he retires.

Overseas players come from different cultural backgrounds. Dirk never demanded a trade once the Mavs stopped being contenders. Wouldn't be surprised if Giannis stayed for a long rebuild.

But how good will Giannis be after a long rebuild. If he is traded in the near future he will bring back many assets for the long rebuild

What's the point in trading Giannis? No matter the return, it's highly unlikely we'll end up with a player as good as Giannis. Seems far more likely we'll be struggling with mediocrity once again. Enjoy him while we have him. Midds, BroLo, possibly even Lillard are another story. They are certainly expendable if the right deal is on the table.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Don't think Middleton and BroLo belong in the same convo with Giannis. As great as they were in the past, I consider them expendable. Giannis is a different story. He's the best Buck of all time. Worst case scenario, the 2nd best behind only Kareem. Basketball-wise, we cannot realistically expect to find a better player in the foreseeable future. Money-wise, he's generating tons of revenue. If I were Horst, I'd keep Giannis till he retires.

Overseas players come from different cultural backgrounds. Dirk never demanded a trade once the Mavs stopped being contenders. Wouldn't be surprised if Giannis stayed for a long rebuild.

But how good will Giannis be after a long rebuild. If he is traded in the near future he will bring back many assets for the long rebuild

What's the point in trading Giannis? No matter the return, it's highly unlikely we'll end up with a player as good as Giannis. Seems far more likely we'll be struggling with mediocrity once again. Enjoy him while we have him. Midds, BroLo, possibly even Lillard are another story. They are certainly expendable if the right deal is on the table.

except for those first couple years under bud its giannis thats always struggled with mediocrity.

he is not a winning modern player that i can see. the ideas thrown around here for what "he needs to win again" dont resonate either. dame was that guy. giannis impact got worse when he arrived.

the rebuild starts with giannis. if he isnt traded it could literally be the recipe for mediocrity to keep him here

glad its not up to me what we do tho. its not easy. i could also support keeping him just because as stated he is who he is. i just think to win with him we needed healthy in their prime jrue, middleton, and brook types. we needed a bud. guys like those dont grow on trees. its a pipe dream to think we can put that band back together. and even if we did im not sure giannis hasnt declined enough with all the little things that it would matter anyway.

the runs over imo. its obvious to me and i called it the minute i watched that miami series and the response being to fire bud. god how stupid. havent felt like watching much since and what i have seen is painful. skipping the bulk of individual games now you dont miss much.

i guess wake me up when we reset to a young hungry team. i dont even care about the talent. i just want hungry

[flaco]

But how good will Giannis be after a long rebuild. If he is traded in the near future he will bring back many assets for the long rebuild

What's the point in trading Giannis? No matter the return, it's highly unlikely we'll end up with a player as good as Giannis. Seems far more likely we'll be struggling with mediocrity once again. Enjoy him while we have him. Midds, BroLo, possibly even Lillard are another story. They are certainly expendable if the right deal is on the table.

except for those first couple years under bud its giannis thats always struggled with mediocrity.

he is not a winning modern player

What are you talking about? We literally won 3 years ago. 2021 is modern basketball.

Not sure about your first point either. We were struggling under Kidd. Immediately transformed into a contending team under Bud.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

What's the point in trading Giannis? No matter the return, it's highly unlikely we'll end up with a player as good as Giannis. Seems far more likely we'll be struggling with mediocrity once again. Enjoy him while we have him. Midds, BroLo, possibly even Lillard are another story. They are certainly expendable if the right deal is on the table.

except for those first couple years under bud its giannis thats always struggled with mediocrity.

he is not a winning modern player

What are you talking about? We literally won 3 years ago. 2021 is modern basketball.

We were struggling under Kidd. Immediately transformed into a contending team under Bud.

maybe thats too strong...sure. but the memo has been out on how to stop him and every team has read it and it works every time.

if it was to change it would start with him giving a **** on defense and hitting his fts like he did those years ago. until that happens... yeah he isnt a winner. im not sure scrubs even fear him anymore. they just stand in and foul him then rain 3's in his face or outhustle him on the other end. i think pretty much the world knows this too outside of bucks fans

for him to win he needs to play winning basketball. for anybody to win it starts with the little things. he used to be ungodly at them. now he seems unbothered

[flaco]

except for those first couple years under bud its giannis thats always struggled with mediocrity.

he is not a winning modern player

What are you talking about? We literally won 3 years ago. 2021 is modern basketball.

We were struggling under Kidd. Immediately transformed into a contending team under Bud.

maybe thats too strong...sure. but the memo has been out on how to stop him and every team has read it and it works every time.

if it was to change it would start with him giving a **** on defense and hitting his fts like he did those years ago. until that happens... yeah he isnt a winner. i think pretty much the world knows it too outside of bucks fans

for him to win he needs to play winning basketball. for anybody to win it starts with the little things. he used to be ungodly at them. now he seems unbothered

Was averaging 30-12-7 last season on 65 TS%. Was averaging 32-14-7 in the 2022 playoffs. That's the last post season he was fully healthy. Seems like most teams didn't get that memo.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

What are you talking about? We literally won 3 years ago. 2021 is modern basketball.

We were struggling under Kidd. Immediately transformed into a contending team under Bud.

maybe thats too strong...sure. but the memo has been out on how to stop him and every team has read it and it works every time.

if it was to change it would start with him giving a **** on defense and hitting his fts like he did those years ago. until that happens... yeah he isnt a winner. i think pretty much the world knows it too outside of bucks fans

for him to win he needs to play winning basketball. for anybody to win it starts with the little things. he used to be ungodly at them. now he seems unbothered

Was averaging 30-12-7 last season on 65 TS%. Was averaging 32-14-7 in the 2022 playoffs. That's the last post season he was fully healthy. Seems like most teams didn't get that memo.

oh he gets those counting stats every time. thats for sure. no concern on the counting stats. im talking about his teams all looking like **** and both he and them both crumbling when it matters because...again... it not winning basketball how he...and now this team..... plays.

outhustled, not putting a body on people, choking free throws, ridiculously dumb shots early in the clock, horrendous defensive rotations, setting piss screens, head down at the basket me first basketball when he is scoring. lately its a 48 minute clinic of crap as it relates to winning imo. but obviously im not talking about counting stats here. im talking about being as hungry to do the little things as he is to score 1 on 5. which again its amazing how amazing he is at doing that. its just not winning basketball

[-Jragon-]

R-E-L-A-X

1. The Nets made tons of contested floaters, contested 3s and even a brick 3 and bounce bounce 3 that wouldn't be considered bad defense. The defense looks much better than last year.
2. Brooklyn has that NY media.. of course they had to play like it's an playoff elimination game to get their 1st win of the year. Bucks will Bucks and extend their preseason well into December
3. There are guys not contributing what they normally will on offense GTJ will be different soon when he gets his footing, Dame won't be turning the ball over that much and he'll make more 3s and someday we'll have KM anchoring our 2nd team or at least staggering some with the other 2 and providing punch.