PG Celtics - 4th Quarter Fade

[drdrG]

Tough loss. I'm tired of moral victories. Boston reminds of the Detroit Lions, a very disciplined team with few weaknesses. It requires consistent execution to beat them because they aren't going to beat themselves. Like the Pack, there's enough talent to do it on the Bucks but they haven't given much evidence they're ready to execute consistently.

Nevertheless, it's a great opportunity for us to experience these clutch moments against top flight competition. There will be plenty of coachable moments down the stretch.

I liked AJ Green and GTJ's play tonight. Played their roles well and weren't afraid to take some big shots.

Brook/Bobby are just too one dimensional against Boston. The hole on the roster is clearly an energetic/connective big or big wing that isn't abused on the switch defensively. They got a lot more easy offense almost entirely going after one of those two or off of still poor communication after makes/missed FTs.

I don't know that there is an answer but there are just too many mental lapses. Bobby had a good possession where he rolled off a PnR with Dame that led to a patient floater. Next two possessions he posted. First one he got it and got smothered by Derrick White, second he destroyed any action and cost us 7 seconds waiting for him to relocate. Giannis/Dame/Brook all deserve blame for similar 'ego' plays. Maybe I'm too much a simpleton but how about run the PnR again and see if they can adjust... and again, and again until they do.

[KidA24]

It can also be true that a player makes a dumb play, but isn't a player with a low BBIQ.

The poster who said that Boston plays him differently, thus minimizing his assists is exactly right. Giannis should have had 50 tonight and shot 15 free throws.

Giannis is a low bbiq player, especially for a superstar.

He consistently makes the wrong basketball play and plays incredibly selfish way too often.

He doesn't see the plays before they develop or even as they develop. His good passes are regularly half a beat late and off target.

He is a defensive force of nature because of his physical gifts. However, he is constantly caught ball watching, missing rotations and cheating towards the rim to hoard rebounds instead of closing out and boxing out.

If you take the ten best guys in the league, Giannis is probably the lowest bbiq.

Giannis is a far smarter player than Tatum.

Cool story bro, but no.

Tatum is a whiny dude, but he makes the right basketball play consistently.

[drdrG]

Bobby spotted the Celtics at least 10 in the first half. Clanked wide open 3's, missed bunnies, horrible defense. He may be the worst 6/7th man of any playoff team. Would love to get something for him but at this point it's addition by subtraction.

Dame gets one of the worst whistles in the L. I don't get it. At this point I'm convinced refs are just conspiring against giving him continuation.

Doris Burke cannot be a national broadcaster and call C's games. She just can't. I love Jon Mcglocklin, but her temper tantrum about Tatum's clear offensive foul in the first reminded me of something he would have said during the dark years. She's an embarrassment.

Couldn't believe they didn't give him a continuation when he blew by Holiday for an open layup. Holiday just turned around and grabbed his arm. I'm not sure if he even put the ball down. The only outcome that's positive for Boston is a foul on the ground and of course they get that.

[Plossum]

They’re better than us but not unbeatable. There’s a lineup of Giannis, Midds, Dame, Prince and Green that I think could give them trouble.

[Matches Malone]

If you watched the games, I don't think you'd be propping up BP the way you have been, but you do you.

Of course I do me. Is there an alternative?

I do watch most of the games and I'm pretty sure the coaches and front office (the ones who put him on the court on a regular basis, but clearly don't have the BBIQ of some posters) watch also. In fact, I'd bet they watch all the games.


I do admit that I enjoy rankling the BP haters.

A troll will troll. At least you can admit that.

I love BP and don't like harping on the guy who helped us win a ring, but he's had some piss poor play this year. Mostly a disaster defensively and taking/missing a lot of bad shots. He's a hole on offense most of the time. The iso post plays that Doc insists running might have worked a few years ago, but BP hasn't made the most of his opportunities there.

(and to your point about coaches/FO, there's bad ones in the NBA, believe it or not )

[KidA24]

I'm pretty sure BP was on the line for at least 3 corner 3 attempts tonight too. You can't do that.

[BigO]

Tough loss. I'm tired of moral victories. Boston reminds of the Detroit Lions, a very disciplined team with few weaknesses. It requires consistent execution to beat them because they aren't going to beat themselves. Like the Pack, there's enough talent to do it on the Bucks but they haven't given much evidence they're ready to execute consistently.

Nevertheless, it's a great opportunity for us to experience these clutch moments against top flight competition. There will be plenty of coachable moments down the stretch.

I liked AJ Green and GTJ's play tonight. Played their roles well and weren't afraid to take some big shots.

Brook/Bobby are just too one dimensional against Boston. The hole on the roster is clearly an energetic/connective big or big wing that isn't abused on the switch defensively. They got a lot more easy offense almost entirely going after one of those two or off of still poor communication after makes/missed FTs.

I don't know that there is an answer but there are just too many mental lapses. Bobby had a good possession where he rolled off a PnR with Dame that led to a patient floater. Next two possessions he posted. First one he got it and got smothered by Derrick White, second he destroyed any action and cost us 7 seconds waiting for him to relocate. Giannis/Dame/Brook all deserve blame for similar 'ego' plays. Maybe I'm too much a simpleton but how about run the PnR again and see if they can adjust... and again, and again until they do.

I agree with the bold part.

In terms of the rest:

1) Whenever BP posts up, it's because the bench calls for him to do it. Tonight it was definitely inefficient, to say the least.

2) The Celtics were flirting with 40-43% for much of the game until the last 6 minutes when the Bucks starters were in for much of the time. The problem wasn't the defense tonight, it was the offense.

3) Posters can say Giannis and Dame are selfish, but you had 3 starters combine for 7 points. That's because the Celtics played them straight up. Do you want AJJ, Prince or Lopez to force up shots?

4) KM will solve a lot of these offensive problems with a legitimate scorer in the starting lineup.

[Ron Swanson]

I’m sick of moral victories too but this is a weird one for the Debbie downers to use as evidence we can’t hang with these 3PT merchants. We’ve had the halftime or 4th quarter lead in all 3 games, and this was 99-100 with less than two minutes left before Giannis took one of the worst YOLO shots of his career.

We played them very well last season too. Do whatever you have to, but Dame/Giannis/Khris with 2 other switchable 3&D dudes is what you need. Like a lot of playoff teams, just can’t trot out the Brook/Bobby front court against these guys.

[KidA24]

Bobby spotted the Celtics at least 10 in the first half. Clanked wide open 3's, missed bunnies, horrible defense. He may be the worst 6/7th man of any playoff team. Would love to get something for him but at this point it's addition by subtraction.

Dame gets one of the worst whistles in the L. I don't get it. At this point I'm convinced refs are just conspiring against giving him continuation.

Doris Burke cannot be a national broadcaster and call C's games. She just can't. I love Jon Mcglocklin, but her temper tantrum about Tatum's clear offensive foul in the first reminded me of something he would have said during the dark years. She's an embarrassment.

Couldn't believe they didn't give him a continuation when he blew by Holiday for an open layup. Holiday just turned around and grabbed his arm. I'm not sure if he even put the ball down. The only outcome that's positive for Boston is a foul on the ground and of course they get that.

I wanted Doc to scream for a clear path call there

[BroncoBuck]

They’re better than us but not unbeatable. There’s a lineup of Giannis, Midds, Dame, Prince and Green that I think could give them trouble.

They are doing this without KP. White-Jrue-Brown-Tatum- KP would dog walk that lineup.

[humanrefutation]

Brook played 38 mins?

Yeah not great that he played that much and Dre played 12. In reality those need to be swapped around I think but Brook is still too valuable and Dre is still too inconsistent.

Brook played too much by virtue of who he had to guard defensively. He often had to guard Horford, which meant he was standing on the perimeter and negating his shot blocking. It also meant he had to switch onto Tatum, which is far from ideal.

I've said it a million times. Against small teams like Boston especially, we have to go small to survive defensively. Lots of Center Giannis. Never Brook and Bobby and sparingly either and Giannis.

[MiltownMadness]

They’re better than us but not unbeatable. There’s a lineup of Giannis, Midds, Dame, Prince and Green that I think could give them trouble.

They are doing this without KP. White-Jrue-Brown-Tatum- KP would dog walk that lineup.

TP is very good vs Boston matchup (sick today) and Khris first game back...not so sure it's that simple. Looks like to me if we had another switchable dude and weren't forced to play Brook/Bobby we win this one going away I am an eternal optimist though as long as we have a top 2 player in the world

[BigO]

If you watched the games, I don't think you'd be propping up BP the way you have been, but you do you.

Of course I do me. Is there an alternative?

I do watch most of the games and I'm pretty sure the coaches and front office (the ones who put him on the court on a regular basis, but clearly don't have the BBIQ of some posters) watch also. In fact, I'd bet they watch all the games.


I do admit that I enjoy rankling the BP haters.

A troll will troll. At least you can admit that.

I love BP and don't like harping on the guy who helped us win a ring, but he's had some piss poor play this year. Mostly a disaster defensively and taking/missing a lot of bad shots. He's a hole on offense most of the time. The iso post plays that Doc insists running might have worked a few years ago, but BP hasn't made the most of his opportunities there.

(and to your point about coaches/FO, there's bad ones in the NBA, believe it or not )

Good points.

BP hasn't had a good year compared to previous ones.

The point about mentioning the coaches and front office is just to point out this discussion isn't as obvious as posters like yourself imply.

Too many here see BP as so bad that only an idiot would play him. And I don't think the front office or coaches are idiots. If they thought BP was hurting the team, they wouldn't play him so much.

I do think his playing time will decrease now that KM will take up the scoring slack.

[dedned]

Watching the Celtics play their magnet-3 ref ball is nauseating. On to the next.

It's even better with Dorris and crew glazing the Celtics up all game.

[RiotPunch]

Brook can't be in closing lineups.

Giannis can't go YOLO with braindead shots on crucial possessions.

Dame can't toss up cinder blocks in the clutch.

Khris showing his value, even being rusty. He is our steady Eddy, should have him facilitating more down the stretch.

Hope there is a sucker out there that gives something meaningful for Bobby, but I'm guessing Doc doesn't want him traded.

[msiris]

Lets not blame all of this on Giannis. Dames shot selection was horrid down the stretch as well.

[MiltownMadness]

Hope there is a sucker out there that gives something meaningful for Bobby, but I'm guessing Doc doesn't want him traded.

I think this is a really good point. Doc always has favored offensive spark plugs off the bench (Big Baby, Lou Will, Seth Curry getting 35 MPG in Philly). Hopefully FO trumps him on this

[ShootingtheJ]

Giannis is a low bbiq player, especially for a superstar.

He consistently makes the wrong basketball play and plays incredibly selfish way too often.

He doesn't see the plays before they develop or even as they develop. His good passes are regularly half a beat late and off target.

He is a defensive force of nature because of his physical gifts. However, he is constantly caught ball watching, missing rotations and cheating towards the rim to hoard rebounds instead of closing out and boxing out.

If you take the ten best guys in the league, Giannis is probably the lowest bbiq.

Giannis is a far smarter player than Tatum.

Cool story bro, but no.

Tatum is a whiny dude, but he makes the right basketball play consistently.

Nope, Tatum constantly chucks the wrong shots and stalls their offense

[fansinceforever]

Just play Giannis-Middleton-GTJ/Prince-Green-Dame as your main and closing 5. That's the best option weve got.

[yb90]

Doc needs to implement some off ball action with Giannis for when they play Boston. Get all to run off screens for several plays a qtr and see how he does. Get Giannis going down hill but in the half court to put even more strain on his defenders.