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Re: PG Rockets - Streak Stopped at 4 

Post#101 » by pifhluk23 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:46 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Doc running that Kuz plus bench mob for 4-5 straight minutes to start the 4th absolutely killed us.


Not really though, they only scored 5 points by the 7:20 mark when Giannis was subbed back in. Our unit scoring 0 points in 5 minutes was the real issue there. That's on KPJ and Kuzma.
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Post#102 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:01 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:We got good Kuz for the first 4-5 games. This game we got the bad Kuz. I guess I’ll take that ratio all things considered.



Good Kuzma? He has a 51TS% and is -.02 VORP as a Buck. His on/off is -3.3.

I appreciate he's played defense, but he has absolutely sucked.
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Re: PG Rockets - Streak Stopped at 4 

Post#103 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:11 pm

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msiris wrote:Lol. Some people still bitter about the Mids trade

Not bitter, but I think you see the diff in games like tonight against good defences. Midds has that competency against good defences that Kuz doesn’t. But I accept the flip side of Kuz at least playing and certainly being a lot more athletic.

Not having Midds against the stronger defences is gonna put a load on Dame that worries me. But yeah, I get it’s better to have a warm body on the court than in street clothes on the bench.


A team like this with young athletes would get like a 15 - 3 3rd quarter run on us with KM and Bobby stumbling around... we have the right guys.. just have to make those layups/shots/free throws.. execute.. box out and get a mf rebound.. even on that flagrant 2 we got zero points on that .... fking stupid... they would have given up right there if we took that momentum and capitalized on it.. instead we watch GA fumble around hero ball bs


The Bucks were significantly better with Middleton on the floor and we're better with Bobby on the floor. We can't say that about Dame or the new guys.
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Post#104 » by randy84 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:15 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Plossum wrote:Not bitter, but I think you see the diff in games like tonight against good defences. Midds has that competency against good defences that Kuz doesn’t. But I accept the flip side of Kuz at least playing and certainly being a lot more athletic.

Not having Midds against the stronger defences is gonna put a load on Dame that worries me. But yeah, I get it’s better to have a warm body on the court than in street clothes on the bench.


A team like this with young athletes would get like a 15 - 3 3rd quarter run on us with KM and Bobby stumbling around... we have the right guys.. just have to make those layups/shots/free throws.. execute.. box out and get a mf rebound.. even on that flagrant 2 we got zero points on that .... fking stupid... they would have given up right there if we took that momentum and capitalized on it.. instead we watch GA fumble around hero ball bs


The Bucks were significantly better with Middleton on the floor and we're better with Bobby on the floor. We can't say that about Dame or the new guys.

Yeah, too bad you couldn't count on either to be on the floor much.
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Post#105 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:22 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
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A team like this with young athletes would get like a 15 - 3 3rd quarter run on us with KM and Bobby stumbling around... we have the right guys.. just have to make those layups/shots/free throws.. execute.. box out and get a mf rebound.. even on that flagrant 2 we got zero points on that .... fking stupid... they would have given up right there if we took that momentum and capitalized on it.. instead we watch GA fumble around hero ball bs


The Bucks were significantly better with Middleton on the floor and we're better with Bobby on the floor. We can't say that about Dame or the new guys.

Yeah, too bad you couldn't count on either to be on the floor much.


Playoffs are the only thing that matters, and Middleton is the one the shows up for the playoffs. Instead we Kuzma and his career playoff 50TS%. We're cooked come playoff time.
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Post#106 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:28 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Doc running that Kuz plus bench mob for 4-5 straight minutes to start the 4th absolutely killed us.


Not really though, they only scored 5 points by the 7:20 mark when Giannis was subbed back in. Our unit scoring 0 points in 5 minutes was the real issue there. That's on KPJ and Kuzma.


We scored just 2 points in the final 2 minutes. That Giannis dunk with 8 seconds left was the only time he touched the ball on offense the final 2 minutes.

That's inexcusable. Dame sucked all game long but played hero ball to close and continued to be terrible. Kuzma clanging shots because he's just not a shot maker didn't help either.

Giannis needs more than 17 shot attempts.
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Post#107 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:31 pm

AJ Green was really good, and finally played 33 minutes. More of that please.
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Post#108 » by blazza18 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:45 pm

One of Dame’s jobs is to be the guy at the end of games and for the most part I trust him. Felt like this game he couldn’t find any rhythm and took some “bad” shots.

The team needs to look into why their best player was such an afterthought. How didn’t we get him any looks? Was it how Houston were defending? Spacing issues with the big lineup? They need to sort that out.
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Post#109 » by showtimesam » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:49 pm

Overall, I think the reactions are far too negative here. The majority of this game showed off the fact that the Bucks are now a. much faster and more athletic team since the trade deadline. This game came down to some poor shot selection by Dame, tons of missed open looks by the entire team, and horrible rebounding. Doc needs to get AJ Green in the starting lineup and bench either Prince or Kuz. If Green starts with Prince you have knockdown shooting around Dame/Giannis. However, if he starts with Kuz you have two guys that are constantly moving without the ball which is also needed alongside Dame/Giannis/Brooke. Not sure why Doc has been so stubborn on this. Glad he is at least playing Green at the end of games in those lineups.
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Post#110 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:56 pm

showtimesam wrote:Overall, I think the reactions are far too negative here. The majority of this game showed off the fact that the Bucks are now a. much faster and more athletic team since the trade deadline. This game came down to some poor shot selection by Dame, tons of missed open looks by the entire team, and horrible rebounding. Doc needs to get AJ Green in the starting lineup and bench either Prince or Kuz. If Green starts with Prince you have knockdown shooting around Dame/Giannis. However, if he starts with Kuz you have two guys that are constantly moving without the ball which is also needed alongside Dame/Giannis/Brooke. Not sure why Doc has been so stubborn on this. Glad he is at least playing Green at the end of games in those lineups.


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Post#111 » by fan230 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:23 pm

A big part of the problem is unfortunately Dame. His primary game is 3 point shooting. When that works, it is great for the team. Often it doesn’t work.

Then we have a huge problem. First he is not a good creator, he is more of a sg than a pg. So others (except GA of course) can’t pick up the slack. Second, he is probably our worst defender, and that is a massive liability for the team. Third, he is enamored with re-creating Dame Time. That is why he took that very long 3 point attempt at the crucial end game time yesterday. Etc.

Now Kuz cannot pick up the offensive slack that the above causes; note that in some games, Dame’s 3 point shooting clicks; then the Buvks would win.

Khris could pick up the slack because he is a great shooter and could create for himself and others. Unfortunately his injuries became a problem.

What is the end result? Often, Giannis can pull the Bucks to a win but it is hard for one player to make a win happen consistently. That is our problem offensively. That is why kpj is a very crucial player. He is strong in shooting, creating and defense.
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Re: PG Rockets - Streak Stopped at 4 

Post#112 » by msiris » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:33 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:
Plossum wrote:Not bitter, but I think you see the diff in games like tonight against good defences. Midds has that competency against good defences that Kuz doesn’t. But I accept the flip side of Kuz at least playing and certainly being a lot more athletic.

Not having Midds against the stronger defences is gonna put a load on Dame that worries me. But yeah, I get it’s better to have a warm body on the court than in street clothes on the bench.


A team like this with young athletes would get like a 15 - 3 3rd quarter run on us with KM and Bobby stumbling around... we have the right guys.. just have to make those layups/shots/free throws.. execute.. box out and get a mf rebound.. even on that flagrant 2 we got zero points on that .... fking stupid... they would have given up right there if we took that momentum and capitalized on it.. instead we watch GA fumble around hero ball bs


The Bucks were significantly better with Middleton on the floor and we're better with Bobby on the floor. We can't say that about Dame or the new guys.
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Re: PG Rockets - Streak Stopped at 4 

Post#113 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:49 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Doc running that Kuz plus bench mob for 4-5 straight minutes to start the 4th absolutely killed us.


Not really though, they only scored 5 points by the 7:20 mark when Giannis was subbed back in. Our unit scoring 0 points in 5 minutes was the real issue there. That's on KPJ and Kuzma.


I mean yeah, that's the point. Houston going like 1-for-10 in that stretch was the time to grab the game by the throat and put them away, but what we got was KPJ and Kuzma air-balling mid-rangers because Doc decided that offensively inept lineup was worth running out there for 5 straight minutes in the 4th in a tie game instead of staggering Giannis and Dame's minutes better.
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Post#114 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:54 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:We got good Kuz for the first 4-5 games. This game we got the bad Kuz. I guess I’ll take that ratio all things considered.



Good Kuzma? He has a 51TS% and is -.02 VORP as a Buck. His on/off is -3.3.

I appreciate he's played defense, but he has absolutely sucked.


Lol, classic. Regardless of your weird obsession with VORP, Kuzma has been an objectively good addition since the trade up until this game. This coming from a dude who couldn't have hated his game any more when he was in Washington.
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Post#115 » by Profound23 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:08 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:AJ Green was really good, and finally played 33 minutes. More of that please.



But missed two wide open threes down the stretch. I worry about him in the playoffs, he seems to shrink as the moments get more important. He's young so I'm trying to have patience with that, but some players just don't perform in crunch time of big games.
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Post#116 » by Baddy Chuck » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:09 pm

AJ Green's VORP is -0.1.
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Post#117 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:17 pm

Frustrating loss. Get a rebound. Make a shot. Call a foul. Occasionally pass the ball to the best player in the world in crunchtime. On to the next one.
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Post#118 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:21 pm

I appreciate what Kuzma and KPJ have brought to the team, but the idea of having both those dudes out there in the closing lineup has a little too much YOLO shot-chucking potential for my liking. I think you have your ideal grouping with Dame/Green/Kuzma/Giannis/Brook, but the question still remains, who's that 5th guy you want closing in matchups where you gotta yank Brook off the floor? That's one of the things they need to figure out.
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Post#119 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:25 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
brewbucks wrote:Houston nightlife got Dame

Houston, all-star weekend… always something. Dame almost 35, let’s lock it in and party less down the stretch.


Are we really still doing this? I've soured on Dame since the trade because on paper him and Giannis should've been unstoppable. He turns the ball over in key situations and annoyingly hunts for fouls too much. But overall he's played at an All-Star level. I still have high hopes things will click in the postseason. But blaming drinking or strippers or night life on his stoic demeanor, or poor performance, is beyond ignorant at this point.
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Post#120 » by Matches Malone » Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:32 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
brewbucks wrote:Houston nightlife got Dame

Houston, all-star weekend… always something. Dame almost 35, let’s lock it in and party less down the stretch.


Are we really still doing this? I've soured on Dame since the trade because on paper him and Giannis should've been unstoppable. He turns the ball over in key situations and annoyingly hunts for fouls too much. But overall he's played at an All-Star level. I still have high hopes things will click in the postseason. But blaming drinking or strippers or night life on his stoic demeanor, or poor performance, is beyond ignorant at this point.


How is calling out what he's doing ignorant? It's not even souring on him, I think he's been good this year, but Doc all but threw him under the bus and called him out about why he had time off after the all-star break. It's no surprise guys go out and party in the NBA, but now it's part of the season to lock it in. You don't need to coddle these men. I have no issues with guys having a social life but let's not pretend it hasn't kept Dame out of games and who knows what else.

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