PG: Sun Burned

[bucksfansince88]

after this season they need a Pobo and new coach Doc is putrid

[j_hilge444]

What I want to know is what the hell all of those assistants are doing? The majority are very experienced. Are they collectively all dumbasses? Or is Doc too hardheaded to listen? You'd think he'd be opening the floor for suggestions at this point.

[Ron Swanson]

What I want to know is what the hell of of those assistants are doing? The majority are very experienced. Are they collectively all dumbasses? Or is Doc too hardheaded to listen? You'd think he'd be opening the floor for suggestions at this point.

We asked these same questions when Kidd was here. Prunty looked like a breath of fresh air in both his interim stints here and hilariously has a better overall win percentage than Doc does (23-17 vs. 57-50). At this point I'm just waiting for PP to put up the end-of-season poll about who was worse. Doc or Kidd?

[paulpressey25]

Again, it's relative hindsight bias to say the Bucks should've kept Bud because of the trash they've installed in the head coaching spot since.

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I've been a Bud truther since day one. so you guys have to put up with it. There was no hindsight for me. Said in multiple other threads that the likelihood of us getting someone better was not great.

I get it, Giannis and the owners got impatient. It's the way sports works these days.

[ShootingtheJ]

Again, it's relative hindsight bias to say the Bucks should've kept Bud because of the trash they've installed in the head coaching spot since.

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I've been a Bud truther since day one. so you guys have to put up with it. There was no hindsight for me. Said in multiple other threads that the likelihood of us getting someone better was not great.

I get it, Giannis and the owners got impatient. It's the way sports works these days.

Giannis and the owners saw how lazy Bud got. The team never practiced. They couldn't adjust on the fly because there was never an opportunity to practice adjustments. Young players couldn't develop. It had to end.

[randy84]

What I want to know is what the hell of of those assistants are doing? The majority are very experienced. Are they collectively all dumbasses? Or is Doc too hardheaded to listen? You'd think he'd be opening the floor for suggestions at this point.

We asked these same questions when Kidd was here. Prunty looked like a breath of fresh air in both his interim stints here and hilariously has a better overall win percentage than Doc does (23-17 vs. 57-50). At this point I'm just waiting for PP to put up the end-of-season poll about who was worse. Doc or Kidd?

Don’t let PP put up another poll. That’s how we got Doc in the first place. I still remember the Doc or AG poll last season.

[BUCKnation]

I'm not super pressed about that loss, but we did a lot of dumb things along the way, in typical fashion, where it ends up being a frustrating loss on a very winnable game, ie missed free throws, very disjointed/poor plays down the stretch offensively (with 2 possessions left, you have to get a better shot off than double covered GTJ desperation), being a mess in transition, etc.

Other than some of those bad pass turnovers, I thought the suns played much cleaner and they still had to rely on KD shooting 80% from 3 and us playing like spazzes every third play to win.

[nagawicka]

I notice the Kuzma Fan Club has gone silent as he quickly reveals the player he truly is and who most of us knew him to be. You can’t trade a smart, team first bucket getter for…whatever archetype you want to assign to Kuzma. It’s a team killing move, even without AJ included. Kuzma has no idea what he’s doing out there. He floats around on offense until he gets a wide open three, which he more often than not bricks. He effort on D and on the boards is gone. The kid was on his best behavior. Now he’s back to being a pouty player who actively makes your team worse.

No one was fooled into thinking Kuzma was a 1-for-1 Khris Khash Middleton plug-n-play replacement . . . except for overwrought fans clinging to the dead idea that Peak $Khash$ Money Middleton still existed. The League wasn't gonna pay Peak $Khash$ value b/c the he no longer has superstar value to NBA GMs, and Horst didn't ask for a Khris Archetype b/c we needed to acquire Kuzma's role and just reproducting Khris's role would conflict with Giannis's so-called 'needs'. Your expectations aren't grounded in reality.

[msiris]

I notice the Kuzma Fan Club has gone silent as he quickly reveals the player he truly is and who most of us knew him to be. You can’t trade a smart, team first bucket getter for…whatever archetype you want to assign to Kuzma. It’s a team killing move, even without AJ included. Kuzma has no idea what he’s doing out there. He floats around on offense until he gets a wide open three, which he more often than not bricks. He effort on D and on the boards is gone. The kid was on his best behavior. Now he’s back to being a pouty player who actively makes your team worse.

No one was fooled into thinking Kuzma was a 1-for-1 Khris Khash Middleton plug-n-play replacement . . . except for overwrought fans clinging to the dead idea that Peak $Khash$ Money Middleton still existed. The League wasn't gonna pay Peak $Khash$ value b/c the he no longer has superstar value to NBA GMs, and Horst didn't ask for a Khris Archetype b/c we needed to acquire Kuzma's role and just reproducting Khris's role would conflict with Giannis's so-called 'needs'. Your expectations aren't grounded in reality.

The thing is Mids was never a superstar but we had to pay him like onebecause we couldn't get one to come here and had to do what we did to keep him.

[soxperry]

My opinion about this team would not have changed at all had Brook made that shot. I don't think this board is being reactionary to individual performances.

lol....

okay

[KidA24]

after this season they need a Pobo and new coach Doc is putrid

They gonna make Doc POBO

[nagawicka]

It doesn’t matter what this organization does…we aren’t winning anything if Giannis continues to be a trainwreck at the line. It is just so deflating to have to go through his process only to miss both free throws

In a 108-106 Bucks Loss, Giannis posted 6 FTM out of 13 FTA for a 46.2 FT%. We all see the spectacular play [can I get a Christopher Walken 'Wah-OW!']. The reality is 7 missed free throws in a 2-point margin of defeat is no triumph of superstar basketball ability. Doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same resulting free throws is the definition of what now? True, Brook & Kuzma each missed one (1) free throw, and must be blamed for not getting us a TIE, because they are no-good "mediocre" PER realGM(!) hapless stumblebums next to the greatest player of all time. There are better ways of going about this and the Bucks tend to win with 5 or 6 guys in double figures instead of two at >35 or 45 ppg. Ball dont' lie.

[fansinceforever]

My opinion about this team would not have changed at all had Brook made that shot. I don't think this board is being reactionary to individual performances.

lol....

okay

Check my post history. I've been saying the sun has set on this team for over a year now. Many have joined in with varying degrees of how bleak they think it is.

It's fair to say the tone here wouldn't be positive or upbeat just because Brook makes that shot last night. Most here see there's major issues.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm not super pressed about that loss, but we did a lot of dumb things along the way, in typical fashion, where it ends up being a frustrating loss on a very winnable game, ie missed free throws, very disjointed/poor plays down the stretch offensively (with 2 possessions left, you have to get a better shot off than double covered GTJ desperation), being a mess in transition, etc.

Other than some of those bad pass turnovers, I thought the suns played much cleaner and they still had to rely on KD shooting 80% from 3 and us playing like spazzes every third play to win.

True, we probably win this game if it wasn't a Tyler Ford reffed game. I remember the Bucks getting blasted in Phoenix again and again. This one came down to the wire, just too much Kuzma at the end.

[mediocrityrules]

Maybe we need a new billboard...

[soxperry]

My opinion about this team would not have changed at all had Brook made that shot. I don't think this board is being reactionary to individual performances.

lol....

okay

Check my post history. I've been saying the sun has set on this team for over a year now. Many have joined in with varying degrees of how bleak they think it is.

It's fair to say the tone here wouldn't be positive or upbeat just because Brook makes that shot last night. Most here see there's major issues.

yeah so i was here when we were trading Giannis during the finals run.. so my comment was directed at the bolded part. that's a hilarious statement.

edit: i dont know why bold isn't working but it's the last sentence in your first post

[MickeyDavis]

Maybe we need a new billboard...

It's kind of funny that the billboard was about stopping always shooting for the 8th seed and get more lottery picks. And then when we won the title we did it with just one lottery pick on the roster and he was signed as a FA, not drafted (Lopez)

[Wonka]

I notice the Kuzma Fan Club has gone silent as he quickly reveals the player he truly is and who most of us knew him to be. You can’t trade a smart, team first bucket getter for…whatever archetype you want to assign to Kuzma. It’s a team killing move, even without AJ included. Kuzma has no idea what he’s doing out there. He floats around on offense until he gets a wide open three, which he more often than not bricks. He effort on D and on the boards is gone. The kid was on his best behavior. Now he’s back to being a pouty player who actively makes your team worse.

No one was fooled into thinking Kuzma was a 1-for-1 Khris Khash Middleton plug-n-play replacement . . . except for overwrought fans clinging to the dead idea that Peak $Khash$ Money Middleton still existed. The League wasn't gonna pay Peak $Khash$ value b/c the he no longer has superstar value to NBA GMs, and Horst didn't ask for a Khris Archetype b/c we needed to acquire Kuzma's role and just reproducting Khris's role would conflict with Giannis's so-called 'needs'. Your expectations aren't grounded in reality.

Never stated that I expected him to replace Khris one for one. You're projecting.

My stated expectations are that he stops taking awful threes and get back to playing intense defense while hitting the boards. You know, like he was for the first few weeks of his time here. Not unrealistic at all. Highly grounded in reality.

I think is funny that you're speaking for Giannis’ hypothetical needs like you're privy to some inside knowledge. What we know is that Giannis requires spacing, which Kuzma doesn't bring and Khris did. What else? We are better with him off the floor since he got here. Net rating speaks for itself.

On: 110.7 OffRtg (25th), 110.0 DefRtg (3rd), +0.6 NetRtg (15th)

Off: 115.6 OffRtg (14th), 106.9 DefRtg (1st), +8.7 NetRtg (6th)

Its appropriate to continue to point out the objective reality of the situation instead of making up arguments that are TRULY not rooted in reality

[Iheartfootball]

The entire organization isn't bright from a basketball perspective. Low b-ball IQ starts at the top. They are better at property development than hoops operations.

And just because they won a title doesn't mean they were had a high BBIQ; it can also mean they won despite their lack of intelligence.

[stillgotgame]

We played Brook Lopez almost 42 minutes in a game we could have easily tried to go small. It’s not like we are rebounding well playing our big lineups anyways.

Yeah way too many minutes. Tough to find the right balance because he was easily our most consistent and most reliable scorer and player after Giannis.

Brook is playing the most he’s played since coming to Milwaukee. We are begging for an injury with the way we are running him.

But Doc isn’t a real doctor so he can play him as many minutes as he wants.
Is this moron really our coach? I loved him as a player at Marquette but he’s completely clueless.