Trade Rumor?? Redd, CV, 1st for TMac+Bonzi

midranger · Post #101 » by **midranger** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:59 pm

If we weren't already in a deep hole, TMac was healthy, and we followed this up with Yi and Gadz for Gasol or something of the like, I'd be more over it.

Mo
TMac
Wells
Gasol
Bogut

That is a strong team. Not the best in the conference, but probably good for 45-50 wins in healthy.

europa · Post #102 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:00 pm

midranger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Does this move make us a playoff team?

I think a lineup of:

PG: Mo
SG: Wells
SF: McGrady
PF: Yi
C: Bogut

is a playoff team in the East with a healthy McGrady. No it isn't getting the Bucks to the Finals this season but no trade is going to do that so if that's the goal the bar has been set at an unrealistic level.

BlueJeep · Post #103 » by **BlueJeep** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:08 pm

we just got a shot out on 1250 from cliff, haha

GO BUCK5 · Post #104 » by **GO BUCK5** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:09 pm

Sparky said the Senator is in town and was at practice... Then Cliff said " The people on RealGM will be all over this..."

haha.. funny

REDDzone · Post #105 » by **REDDzone** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:09 pm

[quote="europa"][/quote]

But McGrady is injured now, and I have him on my fantasy team, so keep up with him. The latest report said he could miss the next 6 games.

Sure T-Mac in the East is a playoff team, but how much of a hole can we get in before an elite talent like even T-Mac can't get us back out of it?

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #106 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:13 pm

europa wrote:It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade. And that's not even taking into account the fact Bonzi Wells would instantly become the second-best wing player on this team behind McGrady.

Redd has nothing to do with the hesitations expressed in this thread; it's the 1st rounder.

europa · Post #107 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:14 pm

REDDzone wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

But McGrady is injured now, and I have him on my fantasy team, so keep up with him. The latest report said he could miss the next 6 games.

Sure T-Mac in the East is a playoff team, but how much of a hole can we get in before an elite talent like even T-Mac can't get us back out of it?

I agree if the prognosis is that McGrady isn't coming back for 3-4 weeks, for example, you shouldn't make the trade. The last report I saw said he could return in 7-10 days.

I agree his durability issues are a concern. I've mentioned that. But I also strongly believe that there is little chance the Bucks will be able to acquire a proven elite talent who doesn't come with issues of some kind. McGrady is an elite talent. Has he won big with Yao? Nope but if the Bucks are only going to acquire proven elite players who have won championships we might as well all give up now because that isn't going to happen either.

At some point you need to make a strong, bold, aggressive move to try and save this team. Is this trade guaranteed to do that? Nope but it's by far the best Redd trade proposal I've seen. Nothing else comes anywhere close to it.

coolhandluke121 · Post #108 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:15 pm

Regarding the question about T-mac's baseball ability, he was a pitcher (among other roles, as is common in high school baseball) with a 95-mph fastball.

T-mac has chronic injury problems, he will not just recover and be his old self one day. It's not a torn ACL or broken wrist. You have to realize that missing time due to injuries is part of the package with him.

He's quite a bit better than Redd although don't discount great shooting as an equalizer, it can quickly close the gap between average athletes and great ones. The biggest advantage could be the fact that McGrady could make the rest of the Bucks better, especially Yi and Bogut. At least we would finally know for sure whether Redd holds them back or whether they just aren't up to snuff themselves, because McGrady is an excellent playmaker as a sg, 5 apg almost guaranteed.

Big problem is that the deal doesn't make the Bucks a contender even in the East, much less the entire league, and it's hard to see how they could keep closing the gap by using their only trade chips to add veterans who are passing their primes and giving up first-round picks.

The main reason Houston might do it is because they keep getting burned by T-mac's injuries and they need depth more than they need another superstar beside Yao. Redd may not offer the same play-making as T-mac but he can certainly create his own shot and that's the one thing they have to replace if they trade T-mac.

europa · Post #109 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:15 pm

adamcz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Redd has nothing to do with the hesitations expressed in this thread; it's the 1st rounder.

And I've expressed my reluctance on that point as well.

Profound23 · Post #110 » by **Profound23** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:23 pm

Yep, the 1st rounder would have to be at least top 5 protected, if not top 8.

buckybadgerfan · Post #111 » by **buckybadgerfan** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:27 pm

As disappointed as the Rox are this year in TMac and Yao neither will be traded. It doesn't matter what Magic says... That's why Magic sucked in coaching and management.

Sure Redd is the leading scorer for Milwaukee.

Tmac is the leading scorer and assist man. Bonzi is the most equipped to run Adelman's gameplan. He has slowly emerged to become the 3rd most consistent player IMO.

Bottomline is Bucks can't trade their whole team. If they could, MAYBE they could get both TMac and Bonz.

Trade wont happen unless Bucks aim a little lower like Battier, Francis, James.

europa · Post #112 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:29 pm

Villanueva/Voskuhl for Battier works for me.

Too bad the Rockets would never go for it.

Profound23 · Post #113 » by **Profound23** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:32 pm

Personally, if we are going to do a trade with Houston I would rather it be for Yao, than TMAC.

How about Redd/CV/Bogut/1st for Yao/Bonzi/Battier? The 1st can even be unprotected in that trade.

Houston would have Bogut/CV/TMAC/Redd/Mike James we would have Yi/Yao/Battier/Bonzi/Mo and Mo could even play some SG when he feels the need to shoot.

trwi7 · Post #114 » by **trwi7** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:34 pm

Profound23 wrote:Personally, if we are going to do a trade with Houston I would rather it be for Yao, than TMAC.

How about Redd/CV/Bogut/1st for Yao/Bonzi/Battier? The 1st can even be unprotected in that trade.

Houston would have Bogut/CV/TMAC/Redd/Mike James we would have Yi/Yao/Battier/Bonzi/Mo and Mo could even play some SG when he feels the need to shoot.

Isiah Thomas doesn't even do that trade if he's the Rockets GM.

emunney · Post #115 » by **emunney** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:35 pm

The Rockets will never, ever trade Yao.

jeremyd236 · Post #116 » by **jeremyd236** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:41 pm

buckybadgerfan wrote:As disappointed as the Rox are this year in TMac and Yao neither will be traded. It doesn't matter what Magic says... That's why Magic sucked in coaching and management.

Sure Redd is the leading scorer for Milwaukee.

Tmac is the leading scorer and assist man. Bonzi is the most equipped to run Adelman's gameplan. He has slowly emerged to become the 3rd most consistent player IMO.

Bottomline is Bucks can't trade their whole team. If they could, MAYBE they could get both TMac and Bonz.

Trade wont happen unless Bucks aim a little lower like Battier, Francis, James.

If the Bucks traded Redd, CV, and a 1st for Battier, Francis, and James....I'd probably kill myself.

That is a terrible trade. We are not aiming too high by trading Redd, CV, and a 1st for McGrady and Bonzi. Bonzi is expiring and will most likely not return. McGrady is always injured and can be a bitch. He'll probably want to be traded or be unhappy with our small market or something like that. The 1st could be a top 3 pick and just Redd and the 1st alone is a good trade. I think if we give up CV in addition, it just isn't a good deal for the Bucks.

midranger · Post #117 » by **midranger** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:45 pm

I see this trade as a means to turn a 32 win team into a potential 37 win team (depending on TMac's health). For that benefit, we get to give up our lotto pick? No way.

However, a couple follow-up trades could really turn us around quickly if we want to go that route.

I'm pretty sure its safe to assume that we won't be trading Yi. so Bogut would have to be the one to go.

Bogut and Gadz

for

Gasol

The Grizz probably don't do this, but just thinking out loud.

I'm guessing that we still miss the playoffs, but then we'd have a lotto pick to trade for that last piece. Thats why we'd have to keep that pick. It is too valuable an asset. Look at last year.

5th: Ray Allen
6th: Marion (could have been)
8th: Jason Richardson

If you have...

Mo
TMac
Gasol
Yi
Player of the quality listed above

... going into next year, things are more exciting.

YI9 · Post #118 » by **YI9** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:47 pm

This trade sounds enticing but I don't think its worth the risk of McGrady's injuries.

If the Bucks are going to trade CV and Redd in a package I'd rather see this:

Redd/CV/Bell

for

Gasol/Stoudamire

Fort Minor · Post #119 » by **Fort Minor** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:49 pm

Not sure if this was mentioned, but the addition of TMac would definately put more butts in the seats.

europa · Post #120 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:51 pm

Fort Minor wrote:Not sure if this was mentioned, but the addition of TMac would definately put more butts in the seats.

Yup. We've talked about that and to me, that's pretty huge. I think this team badly needs some buzz and a reason for people to come out and watch it play. I don't think blowing the team up and going with 5 lottery picks is going to generate much excitement. I do think adding a player like McGrady would not only create buzz locally but nationally as well. I don't think that aspect should be overlooked here.