Amare to the Bucks?

[REDDzone]

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But how does Amare really help us? We all yell at Redd for not doing anything else but scoring but Amare just scores too. His rebounds should be at least 10 a game for how athletic he is.

This is probably the first post I have read in this thread arguing against acquiring Amare that made sense to me.

You are right, in that pace, with his size and athleticism, his rebounding is actually pretty bad.

Good post.

[fam3381]

You are right, in that pace, with his size and athleticism, his rebounding is actually pretty bad.

Amare's rebound rate this year is 15.8...Bogut's is 15.9 which is the % of total rebounds you get while on the court, so it's an adjusted number. Last year Amare's rebound rate was 17.0, so he's been worse this year than previously, but still middle-of-the-pack among centers and top 10-15 among PFs.

I guess you can still complain he should be better given he's a much better athlete than Bogut, but who cares? He's a very respectable rebounder who blocks 2+ shots/game and scores at a ridiculously efficient rate. I don't have any real hope we could get him but he's a beast and I think he could still be one without Nash.

[LUKE23]

You do this trade for the obvious reason that it gives you the best PF/C combination in the NBA as of today and while also looking at the future. All other worries here are secondary. You can fill around those two guys with defenders that don't even have to be very good scorers, just able to defend, pass, and shoot the outside shot. Mo would be a great fit with Amare/Bogut as well, considering now that Bogut has improved both can draw a double team and Amare has proven that since he got into the league.

[Buck You]

Also, I'm pretty sure the Suns can get a better package for Amare than Redd and Villanueva.

[LUKE23]

Also, I'm pretty sure the Suns can get a better package for Amare than Redd and Villanueva.

I was referring to Redd and Yi package, which is what I think it would take to land Amare.

[Buck You]

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I was referring to Redd and Yi package, which is what I think it would take to land Amare.

I like Amare's talent and all but I wouldn't trade a rookie lottery pick away for him right now. It's not like Amare catapults us into the NBA finals. Also, from what I read, this is also Phoenix's last attempt to win the NBA finals before they have to trade and/or Marion, Stoudemire. So I'm not sure they would trade Amare/Marion until the off season.

[MikeIsGood]

I haven't read the rest of the thread, and I appoligize if this is redundant, but I would easily part with Yi and Redd if it meant landing Amare. I've wanted him since he was in high school. Seriously. A front court with Amare and Bogut is just sick. No, he's not a great rebounder, but he's solid. He pulls down 9 in 31 minutes per game. He blocks over 2 shots per game, as well. I think Amare would go a long ways towards making this team respectable again.

[LUKE23]

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I like Amare's talent and all but I wouldn't trade a rookie lottery pick away for him right now. It's not like Amare catapults us into the NBA finals. Also, from what I read, this is also Phoenix's last attempt to win the NBA finals before they have to trade and/or Marion, Stoudemire. So I'm not sure they would trade Amare/Marion until the off season.

I think Yi is going to be very good to great as well, but Amare is a proven legit stud at PF and he just turned 25. That is a good return for the Bucks and the Suns get a proven shooter that would kill in the Suns system, and an up and coming PF prospect.

Bogut and Amare? I don't turn that down man, no way. We could just have solid role players at SG/SF and still win with that duo and Mo hitting open jumper after open jumper.

[Nowak008]

My only concern about Amare is that he already has had 2 micro fracture surgeries. If he becomes a bust, that could set our franchise back 5 years.

Besides that, sign me up for Redd + Yi.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Amare's rebound rate this year is 15.8...Bogut's is 15.9 which is the % of total rebounds you get while on the court, so it's an adjusted number. Last year Amare's rebound rate was 17.0, so he's been worse this year than previously, but still middle-of-the-pack among centers and top 10-15 among PFs.

I guess you can still complain he should be better given he's a much better athlete than Bogut, but who cares? He's a very respectable rebounder who blocks 2+ shots/game and scores at a ridiculously efficient rate. I don't have any real hope we could get him but he's a beast and I think he could still be one without Nash.

Good work

Amare averages 9.1 rebounds. Everyone is acting like he rebounds like Mikki Moore.

Amare has had 14 games with double digit rebounds. Hardly subpar IMO.

[Simulack]

I like Amare's talent and all but I wouldn't trade a rookie lottery pick away for him right now.

But if you were forced to make a prediction on the % chance Yi has of ever being as good as Amare, what would you go with? IMO those are some pretty low odds. Go with the bird in hand.

Nothing against Yi and I like him as a prospect but to me there are very few prospects you can ever reasonably expect to reach All-NBA team levels and those are only can't miss guys like Lebron.

Amare/Bogut is just too must to pass up and gamble Yi's potential on.

[fam3381]

But if you were forced to make a prediction on the % chance Yi has of ever being as good as Amare, would would you go with? IMO those are some pretty low odds.

Exactly...if anyone wants to figure out a way to gamble on the career performances of Amare and Yi, I'll happily wager a ton on Amare. I like Yi, but Amare has a hell of a head start right now. He's only 25 and is having his second great season in a row since his microfracture surgery. I'm also fairly certain his other knee surgery was not a second microfracture surgery.

[LUKE23]

Redd/Yi for Amare
Mo for Marvin
Draft Collison

Next year's team:

Collison/Sessions
Bell/Mason
Marvin/Simmons
Amare/Villanueva
Bogut/Gadz

With Marvin we can live with a smaller SG. That team can defend like crazy and Collison is a great playmaker. If Collison isn't ready to go right away we can always start Bell at PG with Mason at 2. Lots of flexibility in the backcourt.

[Chuck Diesel]

I'd be with that Amare trade.

[Sigra]

Are you trying to say that Redd misses open shots on purpose because he isn't a role player?

People miss shots when they are uncomfortable. I don't know how old you are but you should know that by now

[Sigra]

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The sad thing is it has become almost completely impossible to have a legitimate discussion about Redd and his place on this team because of how ridiculous so many of the comments about him have now gotten.

There are few Knicks fans who have same opinion about Randolph. They also don't understand why everybody atack Zack when he is actually their most productive player. These people are minority at Knicks board though, just like you and these few others here who still defend Redd are minority here.

[Max Green]

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Redd open = miss
Redd contested = hit
Most of the time

Suns have no use of Redd. Even their Bell hit open shots. They don't need Redd and his ISO.

Redd is the amateur. Fools gold. He is WAY overpaid. He is not 17M/year player. 8M/year at most. Suns are not goint to trade for such a overpaid player.

If Suns trade Amare they will do it only if they save money and keep talent in frontcourt. Yi, Simmons, Voskuhl do all that for them. Yi is already much better defender than Amare and is only going to be better. Next year he could have same offansive numbers as Amare. Nash would make that happen and Yi has both athleticism and jumper to do what Amare does with Nash.

Redd is joke.

Your post is a joke.

[ahagen87]

id rather keep yi and try a redd+CV+future first because Yi will give us young potential firepower i know cv could be that as well but he so inconsistent and Yi is only a rookie and has show flashes of what he could be plus w. how athletic he is at times we could see a Mo/Bell/Yi/Amare/Bogut line up

[howe070523]

People are overrating Amare here.

Pros:
Amare is definitely an upgrade to Bucks PF position, hes a good FT shooter,an ELITE finisher, he has a good midrange jumper up to 18-19 feet. Hes also a good weak side shot-blocker.


Cons:
He's blossoming in Suns offense, mainly because of Nash. See how many easy baskets(dunks, open layups) he gets every game? How many times did you see him posting up or create his own shot?

Also hes an average rebounder at best given his height and athleticism, a below average defender(Im being nice here, he plays absolutely no post defence).


If I was Bucks GM, I would trade anyone not named Bogut and Yi for him...then get a legit pass first PG to maximize Amare's impact on offense. I might as well trade for another defensive PF as a backup.

[manun]

Wouldnt it be easier to get marion than amare?