What is the most you would match for Sessions?

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #101 » by **Buck You** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 8:55 am

Okay now reading the bet Luke23 and B-Dub made this is hilarious. :lol:

Luke edited his post for some reason too. Good job being right B-Dub.

Chapter29 · Post #102 » by **Chapter29** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 12:16 pm

Yay.......look how right I was.

If your right most people will understand and respect that, you don't have to tell people they will know. Tout how right you are and rub peoples noses in it? Not so much.

The reality of the issue was that Sessions was in a bad position for FA (an RFA in a year where many teams were standing pat waiting for 2010) and couldn't leverage a better contract. Just look at Lee as an example. Then to compound matters he went to a system that, imo, is a terrible system for him. I don't think that Sessions was worth 8M or more, but I do think he could have gotten more as a FA rather than his RFA status.

The interesting part of this saga will be when Minn tries to trade him. I have maintained that we keep him if for nothing more than as asset to move later. Minn apparently felt the same way. A good stop gap young PG if you will. Now I will say that clearly his reduced production will hurt that some, but I think they will still be able to move him for value. Here he would have kept doing what he was doing and would easily me movable.

old skool · Post #103 » by **old skool** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 1:09 pm

I was not trying to defend anyone, Just trying to suggest that hindsight is not a basis for chest thumping.

oLd sKool

Post #104 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 2:57 pm

I have no issues with Bdub bumping this thread. He was spot on. The team wanted Ridnour. Didn't want Sessions. Bdub shouted it from the mountaintops for months in very contentious threads.

And other teams around the league obviously didn't want Sessions that much either since he didn't get an offer of note until we had a GM clone of Larry Harris in David Kahn who just couldn't pass up acquiring an "asset" whether he fit his team or not.

This is just one side of the coin though. The next part of the discussion is whether or not Hammond did a better job using that $6.5mm on Ridnour rather than the $3.5mm on keeping Sessions. Or whether Hammond botched his potential to use Ramon as a trading chip for David Lee or Al Thornton.

Wise1 · Post #105 » by **Wise1** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 3:27 pm

Good luck trying to use Ramon as a valuable trading chip Mr. Kahn. I"ve said in the past and I'll say it again, there are simply too many young point guards in the league already and on the horizon that are just as good or better than Ramon Sessions. If you pay 4 million for Ramon, you own him. I don't see any team trading anything of significance for Ramon lest he's a throw in in some larger deal involving better players.

As far as thread bumping goes, I'm for it for the most part. Love going back and revisiting past opinions and bringing closure to old debates. If you don't like being proven wrong, then moderate your opinions or at least show more respect for the opinions of others. If you punch someone in the face, be prepared to be punched back.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #106 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:02 pm

Bdub was right, almost everyone else was wrong. Now everyone who is wrong is discounting what Bdub was saying for months saying he was just guessing. What a bunch of sore losers.

The Point goes to Bdub, I definitely view your posts more highly than I did before this previous offseason.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #107 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:11 pm

Wise1 wrote:Good luck trying to use Ramon as a valuable trading chip Mr. Kahn. I"ve said in the past and I'll say it again, there are simply too many young point guards in the league already and on the horizon that are just as good or better than Ramon Sessions. If you pay 4 million for Ramon, you own him. I don't see any team trading anything of significance for Ramon lest he's a throw in in some larger deal involving better players.

As far as thread bumping goes, I'm for it for the most part. Love going back and revisiting past opinions and bringing closure to old debates. If you don't like being proven wrong, then moderate your opinions or at least show more respect for the opinions of others. If you punch someone in the face, be prepared to be punched back.

yeah, no kidding. we all speculate as if it is fact most of the time. and then when our pseudo expert opinions become a topic we can actually go back and evaluate..... you hear the guys who were the most wrong, and the biggest vocal crapshovelers complaining AGAIN as to why we would be intersted in if they were wrong.

this thread was the best read on the board in a while.

as far as sessions goes... i think it shows us something larger. many on this board are so wickedly in love with the idea of "youth", and "core".... that they will dramatically overpay for marginal young guys with upside, instead of proven veterans who have already done something. you win with veterans in this league and you implode franchises with overpaying and gambling on young guys who end up being garbage in the scheme of things.

theres a reason most seasoned coachs make rookies earn their time. and there is even bigger reasons you dont pay marginal players simply because they are young.

Baddy Chuck · Post #108 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:43 pm

If Jennings averaged 15 and 8 on 45% shooting we'd be talking about HOF. Just sayin....

Newz · Post #109 » by **Newz** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:46 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:If Jennings averaged 15 and 8 on 45% shooting we'd be talking about HOF. Just sayin....

When did Ramon Sessions do that?

Baddy Chuck · Post #110 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:48 pm

Newz wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:If Jennings averaged 15 and 8 on 45% shooting we'd be talking about HOF. Just sayin....

When did Ramon Sessions do that?

When Scott Skiles wasn't an idiot and let him start.

Newz · Post #111 » by **Newz** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:51 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:When Scott Skiles wasn't an idiot and let him start.

Oh... Well Jennings averaged some pretty sick numbers for the start of the year too...

I don't know why people on this board like to use months or partial seasons worth of stats. Sessions has never averaged 15/8 on 45% shooting, he likely never will.

He averaged 12/6/3 on 45% shooting. I'll take what Jennings is giving us and has the potential to do over what Ramon gave us.

Post #112 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:04 pm

Wise1 wrote:Good luck trying to use Ramon as a valuable trading chip Mr. Kahn. I"ve said in the past and I'll say it again, there are simply too many young point guards in the league already and on the horizon that are just as good or better than Ramon Sessions. .

Yeah, you can bump this thread also Kirby. Props to you.

I would though withhold the final endzone spike and Terrell Owens popcorn routine for about one more year though. (and not that you guys are doing that at all). I do think if you get Ramon on a team like the Knicks, this thing could go 180 degrees the other way.

I still have a hard time believing a guy could put up 15/7.5 as a starter at age 23 and flame out of the league in four years. Then again, he might just be the next Eric Murdock.

I think Ramon's biggest problem is he couldn't hit the 3. And Skiles system really values having a PG be able to keep the defenses honest with that.

The other thing is the turnovers. Ramon statistically didn't have many compared to other PG's. But we all remember many critical times where Ramon would race up the court and lose control of the ball. Skiles is fanatical about that like MIke Holmgren was with WR's with dropped passes. He doesn't want his PG to turn it over. So there just wasn't the appetite to keep Ramon around under the circumstances of this coaching staff.

WEFFPIM · Post #113 » by **WEFFPIM** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:17 pm

BDUB_30 wrote:Maybe if you were right more often youd have that luxory.

See, it's bulls*** like this that just pisses me off. You were right about the worth of Ramon Sessions. That's fine! But it's the incessant personal attacks that you feel the need to lace your posts with at every opportunity. And don't get me wrong, Luke23 does them plenty as well, and it's annoying as sin. That's where the "pounding your chest and dancing around" comes from. You wanna bump and old thread and show everyone that they were wrong? Go for it. There's no reason to be an immature child when you do. And with all the time you've spent watching and studying the game of basketball, with how long you've claimed to be on this earth, why does a college kid have to explain this to you?

rilamann wrote:WEFFPIM is like that guy who's all hyped to play you at lets say basketball but then after you beat him he wants to take his ball and go home.

Classic sore loser/crybaby mentality.

Um, what?

Newz · Post #114 » by **Newz** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:18 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:Um, what?

JUST TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME, ALRIGHT?!?!?!?

WEFFPIM · Post #115 » by **WEFFPIM** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:19 pm

Newz wrote:
WEFFPIM wrote:Um, what?

JUST TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME, ALRIGHT?!?!?!?

I'M GONNA GO TELL MOMMY I LOST AND CRY AND CRY AND CRY!!!!

I'm not quite sure what I lost, I didn't originally post in this thread

InsideOut · Post #116 » by **InsideOut** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:14 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:Bdub was right, almost everyone else was wrong. Now everyone who is wrong is discounting what Bdub was saying for months saying he was just guessing. What a bunch of sore losers.

The Point goes to Bdub, I definitely view your posts more highly than I did before this previous offseason.

Wow, you are the most easily impressed person I've ever seen. The guy has got a bunch of stuff wrong (JA will average 20ppg) but he bumps the one he got right and that impresses you? Do you really not realize EVERY posters here has got some stuff correct and some stuff wrong but your impressed with the guy that feels the need to bump the one he got right?

smooth 'lil balla · Post #117 » by **smooth 'lil balla** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:16 pm

Bumping old threads is great.

Being right about something when you were terribly attacked previously is vindicating.

Bragging about how right you were is pathetic.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #118 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:25 pm

InsideOut wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:Bdub was right, almost everyone else was wrong. Now everyone who is wrong is discounting what Bdub was saying for months saying he was just guessing. What a bunch of sore losers.

The Point goes to Bdub, I definitely view your posts more highly than I did before this previous offseason.

Wow, you are the most easily impressed person I've ever seen. The guy has got a bunch of stuff wrong (JA will average 20ppg) but he bumps the one he got right and that impresses you? Do you really not realize EVERY posters here has got some stuff correct and some stuff wrong but your impressed with the guy that feels the need to bump the one he got right?

I'm more just trying to voice my opinion and give the guy some credit when he was right and we were all wrong. I don't always like bdubs posts and sometimes he gets argumentative and attacks and rubs people the wrong way. I don't think bdub deserves to be attacked for bumping his thread and says "I was right" because this wasn't just one post, he was saying the same thing all summer long and nobody agreed and he took abuse all summer about how he was so wrong. I just wanted to give the guy his props and say "you were right" because he deserves it in this instance.

You're right, every poster on here has gotten stuff right and wrong. But lots of those were guesses and one time posts, this guy was insistent on something, stuck to his guns and didn't let anyone sway him in his opinion. He knew what he believed and and stuck with it even when everyone told him he was wrong/stupid, so yes, I do think he deserves credit here and not attacks.

smooth 'lil balla · Post #119 » by **smooth 'lil balla** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:29 pm

Absolutely BDUB deserves big props. He prognosticated the the future like he's already been there. It's actually quite impressive how right he was.

With that said, I disagree with himon his stance of Hinrich being valuable to the bucks at his current contract.

Awoooga · Post #120 » by **Awoooga** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:31 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
Wise1 wrote:Good luck trying to use Ramon as a valuable trading chip Mr. Kahn. I"ve said in the past and I'll say it again, there are simply too many young point guards in the league already and on the horizon that are just as good or better than Ramon Sessions. If you pay 4 million for Ramon, you own him. I don't see any team trading anything of significance for Ramon lest he's a throw in in some larger deal involving better players.

As far as thread bumping goes, I'm for it for the most part. Love going back and revisiting past opinions and bringing closure to old debates. If you don't like being proven wrong, then moderate your opinions or at least show more respect for the opinions of others. If you punch someone in the face, be prepared to be punched back.

yeah, no kidding. we all speculate as if it is fact most of the time. and then when our pseudo expert opinions become a topic we can actually go back and evaluate..... you hear the guys who were the most wrong, and the biggest vocal crapshovelers complaining AGAIN as to why we would be intersted in if they were wrong.

this thread was the best read on the board in a while.

as far as sessions goes... i think it shows us something larger. many on this board are so wickedly in love with the idea of "youth", and "core".... that they will dramatically overpay for marginal young guys with upside, instead of proven veterans who have already done something. you win with veterans in this league and you implode franchises with overpaying and gambling on young guys who end up being garbage in the scheme of things.

theres a reason most seasoned coachs make rookies earn their time. and there is even bigger reasons you dont pay marginal players simply because they are young.

This is a great post. It is something all fans are guilt of. We all tend to overemphasize the future and overvalue young talent. That just the way it is.