Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[White+Purple]

The consistent overvaluing of other teams players clouds most of the peoples' judgments on this forum.

The inverse is more often true.

[KidA24]

My eyeball test gives me this comparison:

Outside shooting-advantage Knight
Attacking and finishing at the basket- advantage Bledsoe but both are good
Point guard skills-even (neither very good)
Defense-slight advantage Bledsoe (when he wants to play)
leadership skills-?
Competitve nature -advantage Knight
Health-Advantage Knight
Upside--advantage Knight because he's 2 years younger

You really should go get your eyes checked then.

Bledsoe is SO MUCH BETTER running the point than Knight, so much better going to the rim and finishing than Knight and is so much better at getting to the line than Knight. Also, Bledsoe is an amazing defender where as Knight is average at best.

Oh, he also shot 36% from 3 compared to Knight's 33% from 3 this season.

[msiris]

My eyeball test gives me this comparison:

Outside shooting-advantage Knight
Attacking and finishing at the basket- advantage Bledsoe but both are good
Point guard skills-even (neither very good)
Defense-slight advantage Bledsoe (when he wants to play)
leadership skills-?
Competitve nature -advantage Knight
Health-Advantage Knight
Upside--advantage Knight because he's 2 years younger

You really should go get your eyes checked then.

Bledsoe is SO MUCH BETTER running the point than Knight, so much better going to the rim and finishing than Knight and is so much better at getting to the line than Knight. Also, Bledsoe is an amazing defender where as Knight is average at best.

Oh, he also shot 36% from 3 compared to Knight's 33% from 3 this season.

Most experts claim that Bledsoe is not a true PG. The new owners said that the best way for the Bucks to build a good team is through the draft. I can not believe they would max out a guy who suffered a major injury.

[MadBlueEdwards]

FREE AGENCY
Byron Mullens- C-PF 1.5m/1y
Jimmer Fredette- SG-PG - 1.2m/1y

Yuck

[BigO]

Bledsoe is not a very good passer. He played on a team with a much better offense than the Bucks and yet his assists weren't much better than Knight. Knight was the main offensive weapon the Bucks and had to shoot a lot more than he should have.That won't be the case going forward. Bledsoe is an amazing defender? Even the Draft Express summary shows that isn't true.

You don't spend tons of money on someone who in his four years in the league has not shown anything close to greatness. His career totals show points per game at 8.7 and assists at 3.4. Not good for someone entering his fifth year.

[Bernman]

Man, I miss me some Buck Pack. I mean, am i right?!? Or am I right?!? How the mighty have fallen

I've decided I will take one for the team and befriend Mallory Edens so the board can have its new Buckpack.

[Ron Swanson]

Bledsoe is not a very good passer. He played on a team with a much better offense than the Bucks and yet his assists weren't much better than Knight. Knight was the main offensive weapon the Bucks and had to shoot a lot more than he should have.That won't be the case going forward. Bledsoe is an amazing defender? Even the Draft Express summary shows that isn't true.

You don't spend tons of money on someone who in his four years in the league has not shown anything close to greatness. His career totals show points per game at 8.7 and assists at 3.4. Not good for someone entering his fifth year.

[LedZepp007]

Man, I miss me some Buck Pack. I mean, am i right?!? Or am I right?!? How the mighty have fallen

I've decided I will take one for the team and befriend Mallory Edens so the board can have its new Buckpack.

Seems reasonable. I mean, you have to do what you have to do. I mean, you can just close your eyes and imagine th... wait, **** you!

[LedZepp007]

Bledsoe is not a very good passer. He played on a team with a much better offense than the Bucks and yet his assists weren't much better than Knight. Knight was the main offensive weapon the Bucks and had to shoot a lot more than he should have.That won't be the case going forward. Bledsoe is an amazing defender? Even the Draft Express summary shows that isn't true.

You don't spend tons of money on someone who in his four years in the league has not shown anything close to greatness. His career totals show points per game at 8.7 and assists at 3.4. Not good for someone entering his fifth year.

Advanced stats my friend. Advanced stats. Injury history is a concern. Knight is a better shooter, despite the percentages. However, Bledsoe is far better at everything else.

[bizarro]

Bledsoe is not a very good passer. He played on a team with a much better offense than the Bucks and yet his assists weren't much better than Knight. Knight was the main offensive weapon the Bucks and had to shoot a lot more than he should have.That won't be the case going forward. Bledsoe is an amazing defender? Even the Draft Express summary shows that isn't true.

You don't spend tons of money on someone who in his four years in the league has not shown anything close to greatness. His career totals show points per game at 8.7 and assists at 3.4. Not good for someone entering his fifth year.

One of your assertions are accurate:

Knight is a better shooter

Your other assertions are inaccurate. Pretty much each and every one of them, honestly. This doesn't mean I disagree with the notion the Bucks shouldn't Max Bledsoe. It's a big risk, obviously. But, if the general sentiment around the League is the Suns will match there is something you're missing.

Knight is nowhere near the prospect Bledsoe is even with the age discrepancy. The general consensus on this board is Knight is a nice combo-guard off the bench. There's a distinct reasoning and rationale to this belief. There's also reasoning behind a willingness to explore offering Bledsoe the Max versus cringing at the thought of paying Knight 8-10 Million/year. These aren't emotional-based decisions. These are decisions based on watching two players evolve during their NBA careers.

[White+Purple]

Bledsoe is not a very good passer. He played on a team with a much better offense than the Bucks and yet his assists weren't much better than Knight.

[White+Purple]

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[White+Purple]

Man, I miss me some Buck Pack. I mean, am i right?!? Or am I right?!? How the mighty have fallen

I've decided I will take one for the team and befriend Mallory Edens so the board can have its new Buckpack.

Sounds to me like it would be Mallory taking one for the team

[MrPerfect1]

Of course I was happy. Getting Bledsoe would have killed our chances of a Top pick that we desperately needed. It is a similar but more extreme version of why I was happy we avoided Teague. We get Bledsoe we win 25 game and now have Julius Randle instead. If you want to look through my post history be my guest.

You seem to not understand what I am saying. I am not saying to only improve through the draft forever. However, you do not sabotage the process prematurely for some who will be starting to break down by the time our core hits it's prime. It is like baking a cake. You want to begin spreading the frosting before the cake has even risen.

Do you think Bledsoe is the only RFA we will have the chance to give a max offer to the next 4 years? Are those extra 10 wins that get us to 30 and then 35 the year after that meaningful to you. You are basically arguing Bledsoe + #11 or so pick is superior to Top 5 pick + any RFA the next 4 years.

We also will not even mention Bledsoe returning from a devastating injury that at minimum is a significant red flag.

so if wolters, middleton, and miroslav develop into max level restricted free agents in the next year then that is a bad thing and we should let them walk. we will be simply improving too fast for it to be the proper way to rebuild. youre saying we dont want good players unless its our own top 5 picks. of course thats with the exception of giannis..... he doesnt count for some reason. gotcha.

selectively rooting against the improvement or acquisition of top young talent may be the most ass backwards way to develop a team ive ever heard but at least im clear on your thought process moving forward.

It would depend what level of max players they are. If Wolters and Miroslav turn into Magic Johnson and Shaq level max players then I would even consider trading Giannis/Parker to build an immediate title favorite. By contrast if it is more at the Gordon Hayward/Greg Monroe level max I would rather trade them than tie up max money.

If we sign Bledsoe what do you think our chances are of winning a Title before his deal expires? 0%, .00000001%? Bledsoe would have to become Jordan 2.0. Once a 4 year contract expires, Bledsoe will likely have 1-2 years left until he breaks down (assuming his knees do not get injured more until then). If Bledsoe was a Ray Allen type amazing shooter i would feel more confident in his 30 and above prospects. However, wings who rely on athleticism age poorly.

Everything we do should focus on creating a Title Contender from 2018-2028. Bledsoe does not fit that long term window

[bucksbrewers3]

My eyeball test gives me this comparison:

Outside shooting-advantage Knight
Attacking and finishing at the basket- advantage Bledsoe but both are good
Point guard skills-even (neither very good)
Defense-slight advantage Bledsoe (when he wants to play)
leadership skills-?
Competitve nature -advantage Knight
Health-Advantage Knight
Upside--advantage Knight because he's 2 years younger

You really should go get your eyes checked then.

Bledsoe is SO MUCH BETTER running the point than Knight, so much better going to the rim and finishing than Knight and is so much better at getting to the line than Knight. Also, Bledsoe is an amazing defender where as Knight is average at best.

Oh, he also shot 36% from 3 compared to Knight's 33% from 3 this season.

Most experts claim that Bledsoe is not a true PG. The new owners said that the best way for the Bucks to build a good team is through the draft. I can not believe they would max out a guy who suffered a major injury.

The new owners also said they are just fans and are letting Hammond do the personal and basketball moves then they went behind his back to get kid. Don't take what they say too seriously

[GrandAdmiralDan]

So what happened to BuckPack? I've seen a few references in this thread to him no longer posting. I missed whatever happened there.

Can someone explain, and hopefully link me to the post/thread that all went down in? Thanks!

[ReasonablySober]

So what happened to BuckPack? I've seen a few references in this thread to him no longer posting. I missed whatever happened there.

Can someone explain, and hopefully link me to the post/thread that all went down in? Thanks!

Nothing happened to him (that we know of). There was some twitter chatter that he lost his source of information.

[Sherman Douglas]

Bledsoe is not a very good passer.

His career totals show points per game at 8.7 and assists at 3.4. Not good for someone entering his fifth year.

Omg dude I know, it's like how everyone thought Aaron Rodgers was so good, but after three years in the league, he barely had any touchdowns! Scrub!

[Sherman Douglas]

edit: dp

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Of course I was happy. Getting Bledsoe would have killed our chances of a Top pick that we desperately needed. It is a similar but more extreme version of why I was happy we avoided Teague. We get Bledsoe we win 25 game and now have Julius Randle instead. If you want to look through my post history be my guest.

You seem to not understand what I am saying. I am not saying to only improve through the draft forever. However, you do not sabotage the process prematurely for some who will be starting to break down by the time our core hits it's prime. It is like baking a cake. You want to begin spreading the frosting before the cake has even risen.

Do you think Bledsoe is the only RFA we will have the chance to give a max offer to the next 4 years? Are those extra 10 wins that get us to 30 and then 35 the year after that meaningful to you. You are basically arguing Bledsoe + #11 or so pick is superior to Top 5 pick + any RFA the next 4 years.

We also will not even mention Bledsoe returning from a devastating injury that at minimum is a significant red flag.

so if wolters, middleton, and miroslav develop into max level restricted free agents in the next year then that is a bad thing and we should let them walk. we will be simply improving too fast for it to be the proper way to rebuild. youre saying we dont want good players unless its our own top 5 picks. of course thats with the exception of giannis..... he doesnt count for some reason. gotcha.

selectively rooting against the improvement or acquisition of top young talent may be the most ass backwards way to develop a team ive ever heard but at least im clear on your thought process moving forward.

It would depend what level of max players they are. If Wolters and Miroslav turn into Magic Johnson and Shaq level max players then I would even consider trading Giannis/Parker to build an immediate title favorite. By contrast if it is more at the Gordon Hayward/Greg Monroe level max I would rather trade them than tie up max money.

If we sign Bledsoe what do you think our chances are of winning a Title before his deal expires? 0%, .00000001%? Bledsoe would have to become Jordan 2.0. Once a 4 year contract expires, Bledsoe will likely have 1-2 years left until he breaks down (assuming his knees do not get injured more until then). If Bledsoe was a Ray Allen type amazing shooter i would feel more confident in his 30 and above prospects. However, wings who rely on athleticism age poorly.

Everything we do should focus on creating a Title Contender from 2018-2028. Bledsoe does not fit that long term window

so the only approach is the sixers approach..... or maybe even more severe than that youre saying

should the cavs have not pursued kyrie? should the trailblazers look to move lillard? whats their championship odds in the next 4 years? go ask cavs and blazers fans if they want to dump their stars because they aren't magic and shaq level max players yet.

bledsoe is arguably the top pg in the league age 25 and under!!!! and you don't want him because you have this arbitrary "window" when were supposed to be winning that is so far into the future that my 12 yo old could be giving me grandchildren by the time it arrives. we could tank for 50 years and never build a winner with your approach.

Bledsoe is the same damn age as nate wolters. and his talent level is better than your average top 5 pick. so using your argument we should be rooting against nate, or dumping him because hes too old and/or not likely to become magic johnson. youre saying we should not pursue arguably the top YOUNG pg in the entire league because we MIGHT lose some ODDS in a draft LOTTERY that the cavs just jumped 10 spots to win.

if your going to argue this then argue it from the standpoint you don't think Bledsoe is as good as the rest of the league does. that's the only argument. at least then we can have a sensible debate. youre not going to convince anybody we should be rooting against the development of our 24 year old players so we don't have to pay them because their too old to win longterm with.