The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

3Diamantidis · Post #1001 » by **3Diamantidis** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:07 pm

Irrelevant.
Honest question: Would you prefer aaron gordon over jabari?
I've been making this comparison for quite some time now.
Before jabari's injury, before gordon's breakthrough this season.
I'm still undecided. I have to say, that i fell in love with gordon from the very first moments i saw him.
And then you have that jabari's stretch pre injury to make it a really tough decision.
What do you guys think?

ReginaldDwight · Post #1002 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:12 pm

Vuc isnt garbage, but bringing him in only complicates cap matters after next season. I think posters like logitech dont understand or want to understand what having tons of deals up in one offseason does to a team. Rather not move Jabari for a middling center on an awful team that is going to need a new deal the same year as Midds Bledsoe and Brogdon

LogitechBucks · Post #1003 » by **LogitechBucks** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:13 pm

Rainwater wrote:
LogitechBucks wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
It really wasn't surprising honestly. Vuc did play well but half the magic squad is injured including primary scorers of Evan, Ross and AG. And AG is also their second best rebounder. The Magic outside of Payton and Vuc honestly had a D-league team out there. And they were also playing the garbage Hawks. Nobody wanted to win that game.
Dude can't you just say he played well and leave it at that? The fact is that him and Kevin Love are almost the same players production wise. They play similar rolls. Everyone on here would go gaga for Kevin Love but yet somehow they puke on Vucevic. It makes no sense.

I am simply providing context. You just look at the stats and think that tells the whole story. His stats were somewhat inflated, lol. There was literally nobody on the floor for an already bad Magic team and Vuc took advantage. NO ONE IS GOING GAGA FOR VUCEVIC BECAUSE VUCEVIC IS NO WHERE AS GOOD AS KEVIN LOVE LOL. Must magic fans don't even want Vuc, lol. You are the only one pushing this. If Love played on the Magic, his numbers would look similar to what he was putting up back in Minn.

BTW Monroe had a triple double against the Kings on 10/8/12.

This is the last time I am going to prove your opinions wrong with facts. It's kind of boring to be honest. When Kevin Love was in Minnesota he was there only real scoring option period. His stats were gaudy but who else was going to score? The Magic have 3 talented scorers on this team of which two are currently averaging more points per game than Vucevic. Even Fournier is averaging 18.3 and Aaron Gordon is averaging 18.5 So if Kevin Love was in Orlando right now his stats logically would be lower. He is the second option in Cleveland right now cuz they have no one else who is a proven scorer on a nightly basis. Wait to Isiah Thomas returns and see what happens to Love's numbers when Cleveland has three scorers on the floor.
Vucevic has been better defensively than Love this season and there is no way to debate he hasn't without using opinion versus facts. Vucevic averages 2 more assists per game than Love. Vucevic averages more steals and more blocks. Love averages 1.5 more points per game but he is also the second option on his team. Vucevic has 55.3 eFG% to Love's 53.8 eFG% This proves a point. It is NOT an opinion.

Magic fans don't want Vucevic just like delusional Buck's Fans don't want Kris Middleton. Your argument during this whole debate has been your opinion based on who knows what. It clealry was not based on fact.

Rainwater · Post #1004 » by **Rainwater** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:14 pm

I didn't believe it before but I think some team will max him out.

LogitechBucks · Post #1005 » by **LogitechBucks** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:50 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:Vuc isnt garbage, but bringing him in only complicates cap matters after next season. I think posters like logitech dont understand or want to understand what having tons of deals up in one offseason does to a team. Rather not move Jabari for a middling center on an awful team that is going to need a new deal the same year as Midds Bledsoe and Brogdon

This arguemt makes very little sense. What is the difference if we keep Jabari and pay him 15 to 20 million next season? His deal will be at least 3 years so his salary would occupy Vucevics slot the same time we have to resign Bledsoe, Brogdon, and Middleton.

My proposal actually makes the Bucks Cap better because we move Henson (3yrs left) and get Henzjonga's expiring deal.

In my "Best Case Scenario" trade ideas, I suggested two trades.

Trade 1. Parker and Henson for Vucevic and Henzjonga

Trade 2. Delly, Telly, Wilson for Chandler and Dudley

Our roster for next two seasons: (Note: we replace Jet and Vaughn with our 1 draft pick and minimum veteran not over 40 yrs.

Bledsoe / Brogdon/Payton III
Middleton /Vaughn/ Jet
Snell / Dudley / Sterling
Giannis / Thon /Liggins
Vucevic / Chandler/ Blomoboy

After next year we would have only have 37M in guaranteed contracts which would give us 90M to work with without going over the Luxury Tax threshold. That gives the team an absolute ton of flexibility. We would also have the expiring contracts of Dudley and Chander (23M) to make a move next season should an opportunity present itself.

Aaron It Out · Post #1006 » by **Aaron It Out** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:50 pm

M-C-G wrote:So which former banned poster is Logitechbucks? I saw someone suggest panedemonum but he is still active. This guy is just WAY too familiar

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Rainwater · Post #1007 » by **Rainwater** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:58 pm

LogitechBucks wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
LogitechBucks wrote: Dude can't you just say he played well and leave it at that? The fact is that him and Kevin Love are almost the same players production wise. They play similar rolls. Everyone on here would go gaga for Kevin Love but yet somehow they puke on Vucevic. It makes no sense.

I am simply providing context. You just look at the stats and think that tells the whole story. His stats were somewhat inflated, lol. There was literally nobody on the floor for an already bad Magic team and Vuc took advantage. NO ONE IS GOING GAGA FOR VUCEVIC BECAUSE VUCEVIC IS NO WHERE AS GOOD AS KEVIN LOVE LOL. Must magic fans don't even want Vuc, lol. You are the only one pushing this. If Love played on the Magic, his numbers would look similar to what he was putting up back in Minn.

BTW Monroe had a triple double against the Kings on 10/8/12.
This is the last time I am going to prove your opinions wrong with facts. It's kind of boring to be honest. When Kevin Love was in Minnesota he was there only real scoring option period. His stats were gaudy but who else was going to score? The Magic have 3 talented scorers on this team of which two are currently averaging more points per game than Vucevic. Even Fournier is averaging 18.3 and Aaron Gordon is averaging 18.5 So if Kevin Love was in Orlando right now his stats logically would be lower. He is the second option in Cleveland right now cuz they have no one else who is a proven scorer on a nightly basis. Wait to Isiah Thomas returns and see what happens to Love's numbers when Cleveland has three scorers on the floor.
Vucevic has been better defensively than Love this season and there is no way to debate he hasn't without using opinion versus facts. Vucevic averages 2 more assists per game than Love. Vucevic averages more steals and more blocks. Love averages 1.5 more points per game but he is also the second option on his team. Vucevic has 55.3 eFG% to Love's 53.8 eFG% This proves a point. It is NOT an opinion.

Magic fans don't want Vucevic just like delusional Buck's Fans don't want Kris Middleton. Your argument during this whole debate has been your opinion based on who knows what. It clealry was not based on fact.

Again you really need to stop stat watching. And again you have proven you don't know much about the magic either. One of the main reasons the Magic suck is because they lack a primary player. EVERY MAGIC FAN WILL TELL YOU THIS. And honestly, I don't think they even have a second option (my opinion). AG, Evan, and AG are complaintary at best currently. Relative to their talent Love would quickly become their best player. It would be insane to compare Love's stats from Cleveland when his role would be closer to that in Minn. And it's insane to compare Love to Vuc when Vuc has never put the numbers up that love did in Minns, even on a crappy magic squad. And it says something when Vuc is arguably the best player on the crappy a** Magic and yet is putting up stats similar to the second best option on the Cavs. These two players are not on the same level. His numbers would fall if he played with real talent.

Magic no longer want Vuc because they literally have spent the last 5 years building around him and Evan and have gotton no where. They have literally been in the bottom of the league for last 5 years.

jakecronus8 · Post #1008 » by **jakecronus8** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:55 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
I know, I know but seeing how they are progressing and seeing how young they are they can take the risk and sign Parker to max money. He would be a good fit there if all goes wrong here. Maybe a Jabari for Lopez trade can get us something rather then losing him for nothing.

Fully expect Jabari to get a max offer from Chicago, which is why I'm so hell bent on moving him for what you can now. Healthy Jabari is not worth the max. Jabari with one knee at the max is potentially a franchise killing move.

Franchise killing move lol. The hyperbole from so posters is hilarious

A max contract sitting at home with another knee injury is at the very least franchise crippling. What's so hard to understand?

M-C-G · Post #1009 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:44 pm

M-C-G wrote:
ibanezjp wrote:https://youtu.be/qSuu_QYm-nY

Has anyone seen or posted this already? Pretty crazy and seems to make a lot of sense. Doesn’t sound to hopeful for Jabari unless he’s able to change the way he lands and runs.

Interesting breakdown. I'm very hopeful that if this guy can figure all that out, that Suki is all over this.

Looks like he is way more on his toes than previously.

Read on Twitter

Ron Swanson · Post #1010 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:50 pm

I'd honestly rather let somebody else deal with Parker's contract situation because it just makes me uneasy, but you have people on this board fawning over the Sixers when their franchise basically rests on the glass knees of a 7'0 center who just got paid a 5-yr max.

It's why I can't fault Philly for betting on Embiid the same way that I can't fault the Bucks if they try and bet big on Parker. Talent is the most important thing in the NBA and it's really hard to come by. I think having Giannis allows you to actually take that risk more so than if you were relying on Parker to be the "franchise guy".

Max Green · Post #1011 » by **Max Green** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:51 pm

M-C-G wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
ibanezjp wrote:https://youtu.be/qSuu_QYm-nY

Has anyone seen or posted this already? Pretty crazy and seems to make a lot of sense. Doesn’t sound to hopeful for Jabari unless he’s able to change the way he lands and runs.

Interesting breakdown. I'm very hopeful that if this guy can figure all that out, that Suki is all over this.

Looks like he is way more on his toes than previously.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Looks like bringing in Frank Johnson to work with one on one during rehab might be huge for his development. I see they're practicing the Pick n roll/pop.

raferfenix · Post #1012 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:45 pm

What individuals with influence in the organization do we think are more / less likely to push for a Jabari trade?

Am thinking about the reports that Kidd in particular wants to win now. And how bringing Jabari back slowly will win us fewer games than trading for Deandre Jordan would.

ClassicJack · Post #1013 » by **ClassicJack** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:57 am

I'm starting to get the feeling that he's played his last game as a Buck.

econniption · Post #1014 » by **econniption** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:43 pm

Read on Twitter

I guess this is the next step in his rehab.

Fresh_Prince12 · Post #1015 » by **Fresh_Prince12** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:46 pm

Watched the game on nbatv and Dennis Scott said that he talked with the bucks about Jabari and said he won’t see the floor for game action til February. Also noted that Jabari lost a lot of weight and looks so much leaner. Said he didn’t even recognize him at first

buckboy · Post #1016 » by **buckboy** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'd honestly rather let somebody else deal with Parker's contract situation because it just makes me uneasy, but you have people on this board fawning over the Sixers when their franchise basically rests on the glass knees of a 7'0 center who just got paid a 5-yr max.

It's why I can't fault Philly for betting on Embiid the same way that I can't fault the Bucks if they try and bet big on Parker. Talent is the most important thing in the NBA and it's really hard to come by. I think having Giannis allows you to actually take that risk more so than if you were relying on Parker to be the "franchise guy".

I kind of agree. If they had been patient and were sitting with Tatum instead of Fultz, the Lakers pick, the Kings swap along with Simmons, they wouldn't be relying on Embiid nearly as much. They screwed the pooch this past summer. Potentially anyway.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1017 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:56 pm

Fresh_Prince12 wrote:Watched the game on nbatv and Dennis Scott said that he talked with the bucks about Jabari and said he won’t see the floor for game action til February. Also noted that Jabari lost a lot of weight and looks so much leaner. Said he didn’t even recognize him at first

he looks really thin

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1018 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:58 pm

i've been hoping (since this last injury) Jabari transforms his body the way Kevin Love did....and try to model his game off of him, too.

would likely be much easier on his knees, and prolong his career

PANDEMONEUM · Post #1019 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Wed Jan 3, 2018 10:42 pm

question on Jabaris contract and timing.

can the bucks and JP sign an extension now, during the season?
.....can they sign an extension, after the season?

can the Bucks, decline, JPs Qualifying Offer? and then that makes him a FA
can JP decline the Bucks Qualifying Offer? and then that makes him a FA

what is the max, another team can offer JP?
how much more, can the Bucks offer JP? (like 1 year and 20% more or something)

in 2018, does JP make his QO $ of $7,375,851,
then in 2019 his new $ starts?

and this ^^^ is if the Bucks keep him and extend him,
and/or if another team snags him?

thanks in advance.

emunney · Post #1020 » by **emunney** » Wed Jan 3, 2018 11:53 pm

PANDEMONEUM wrote:question on Jabaris contract and timing.

can the bucks and JP sign an extension now, during the season?
.....can they sign an extension, after the season?

can the Bucks, decline, JPs Qualifying Offer? and then that makes him a FA
can JP decline the Bucks Qualifying Offer? and then that makes him a FA

what is the max, another team can offer JP?
how much more, can the Bucks offer JP? (like 1 year and 20% more or something)

in 2018, does JP make his QO $ of $7,375,851,
then in 2019 his new $ starts?

and this ^^^ is if the Bucks keep him and extend him,
and/or if another team snags him?

thanks in advance.

Can't sign an extension anymore.

Bucks can decline to offer the QO. If offered, Jabari can decline to sign it. If the Bucks decline to offer, Jabari becomes an unrestricted free agent. Bucks retain Jabari's rights if he declines to sign it and we don't withdraw it. We could make another QO next year and keep the right of first refusal.