2019 Draft Thread

[Ruzious]

Good article on very productive Dedric Lawson https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/why-bulls-should-take-dedric-lawson-no-38-pick

[crkone]

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[Ruzious]

Also has Cam Johnson going #21.

I see very little chance Cam Johnson goes before Luka Samanic. I'd rate Samanic a late lotto value.

[Ruzious]

See for context on THT's shooting %

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Think this kid is a better pro than NCAA player.

There is no way he drops to #30 imo.

I think he could unless he convinces teams he can shoot. And his weight could become an issue.

[DingleJerry]

I've been coming around to Carsen Edwards lately, mostly as I'm coming to expect that we lose Hill. So I think we need a backup PG with some shotmaking ability. Seems like he'll go around our pick, his teams have always won, good shooter, should be able to trust him handling the ball. Seems kind of in the FVV mold a bit to me, which is a good thing for a backup pg

[emunney]

As a guy who was a big pre-draft FVV advocate, I kind of bristle at that comparison. FVV was the consummate game manager at Wichita St.; Edwards is a flat out gunner. They're not similar players. Jimmer was more sincere about running offense than Edwards was.

[DingleJerry]

As a guy who was a big pre-draft FVV advocate, I kind of bristle at that comparison. FVV was the consummate game manager at Wichita St.; Edwards is a flat out gunner. They're not similar players. Jimmer was more sincere about running offense than Edwards was.

I for sure see what you mean in regards to college games. But I'm just looking at their skills now and what they could or should try to do at this level and of course similar size/athleticism imo, maybe slightly favoring Edwards on the quickness. Now, if Edwards is determined to think he's Kemba or lead PG then no thanks. But if he understands his role I think he could do the same thing and thrive in a backup PG role. That said, part of what I want in him is the 'lightning' bench scoring ability that we lack here. In a way FVV has done that more in the NBA than people would've thought as he'd proven such a good shooter. But yes I'd say Edwards has a small advantage there, or at the least leaving college it seems that way but FVV has improved a ton. Edwards would be lacking in the game manager aspects you're talking about, and clearly knowing his role.

Though, I'd also say you might be skewing your view of Edwards game a bit too with how he played this year once he lost all his good teammates. He did not always play that way, they always have a good motion offense with the ball moving and his teams always won. I guess I'd be hesitant to try and lump him into a chucker type ppgzz on a bad team type guy when his teams always won.

[mattg]

As a guy who was a big pre-draft FVV advocate, I kind of bristle at that comparison. FVV was the consummate game manager at Wichita St.; Edwards is a flat out gunner. They're not similar players. Jimmer was more sincere about running offense than Edwards was.

Yeah it’s a bad comparison. I like Edwards as a microwave scorer, but he has no ability to step in and run an nba offense, as a decision maker he just isn’t in the same conversation. I don’t think you can get by with him running your offense in the nba, you just have to let him try and score and yank him if he’s ineffective. He’s like a Gary Neal type of guy.

There’s definitely a place for Carsen and the value wouldn’t be bad at all, I just don’t think penciling him in as a hill replacement has any legs whatsoever. He’s a guy who needs to be playing next to a steady handler like hill.

THT I don’t know what to make of. I have trouble forming an opinion without seeing him workout or in interviews. His shooting efficiency is so unbelievably awful (especially considering he shot 70% at the rim) that it’s hard for me to chalk it up purely to shot selection. And even still, is that something that can drastically be changed? Such a wildcard.

[machu46]

I've been coming around to Carsen Edwards lately, mostly as I'm coming to expect that we lose Hill. So I think we need a backup PG with some shotmaking ability. Seems like he'll go around our pick, his teams have always won, good shooter, should be able to trust him handling the ball. Seems kind of in the FVV mold a bit to me, which is a good thing for a backup pg

Without having seen much of him outside of the tournament games so take my opinion with a grain of salt, he seems more like a Frank Mason type than FVV to me.


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[DingleJerry]

I do get what you mean in that their college games were different, especially when only looking at Edwards this year. But I think you're only thinking of Edwards this year. I mean, what was he supposed to do? Just focus on passing to his now crappy teammates (he lost all 4 starters from a top ranked team, yet somehow won the next year, that's a good sign)? He didn't play this way before this year. He had low turnovers before this year as well. I grant he played differently than FVV in college. But I'm talking about a guy that has the skills that can come in and play like FVV is now in the NBA.

In way you're essentially ripping him for being better than FVV in that he can do the microwave scorer stuff that FVV seemingly couldn't when leaving college. But he's actually doing it at the NBA level (to the degree I'm talking, not Lou Williams) and that's what I want. Edwards has shown that ability already. Plus we're missing guys who can get, take, and make a variety of shots. He has that skillset this team is lacking.

For Hill, no I wouldn't expect him to play the same way at all or be similar. I merely meant that we're losing him, so we're going to need someone in a backup PG role and a guy you can trust to his some shots in a bench role.

For a distrust of his ability to handle the ball in the NBA, i don't know what more you'd want than a guy who's done it for years in the B1G. Of course I don't want him thinking he's a star or that he's the man or anything like that.

I know this seems like I'm some Edwards stan or something. Far from it, as I said I've just lately come around to it. Wasn't on my radar. Just as I was thinking of ways to replace Hill I ended up looking at the draft at the PGs in our range that could possibly be descent and he's kinda the only one that stood out. I have no idea if he'll pan out. A key will probably if he knows his role, has the bball IQ to play as a team and not think he's a star. A common theme of late picked PGs who've done well in recent years is having won a lot in college and he's certainly done that, usually a good IQ/teamwork indicator.

[machu46]

To be fair, I actually do have some interest in Edwards myself. Probably not in my top 5 of realistic options at 30, but I wouldn’t be mad if he’s the pick


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[bucksfansince88]

Good article on very productive Dedric Lawson https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/why-bulls-should-take-dedric-lawson-no-38-pick

I had high hopes for him at the beginning of the season but I dont see his game developing much more and hes kind of a Tweener.

[emunney]

When I think about who I'd be most excited by of the projected available by DX, keep coming back to Sirvydis.

[RiotPunch]

When I think about who I'd be most excited by of the projected available by DX, keep coming back to Sirvydis.

I'd bet money on him being available at this point.

[RiotPunch]

Cameron Johnson is a guy I go back and forth on, but ultimately can't blame Horst if he picks him. Best shooter in the class, long, ready to contribute day one. OKC, Philly or Golden State probably nabs him though.

[Frank Nova]

I want Dikembe's nephew from FSU. Big rim runner that spots up for 3 and shares a bloodline with 1 of the best rim protectors ever, sign me up.

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[emunney]

I want Dikembe's nephew from FSU. Big rim runner that spots up for 3 and shares a bloodline with 1 of the best rim protectors ever, sign me up.

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I want Kabengele too but would be crazy to me if he was there. In the teens I'm calling teams with Sterling to try to go get him or Goga if they're still there.

[PG Graveyard]

I would absolutely love Dylan Windler. That guy will stick. Hope he gets to us.

[RiotPunch]

Windler will probably be there too. It'll be interesting to see if Horst goes upside or rookie year playability. Windler can step in and contribute Day 1. Might reveal his summer plans, because hard to see Windler cracking the rotation as a rook, but he could do okay with minutes if we needed him.

[Chuck Diesel]

Damn, didn’t realize how early the draft is. Two weeks away. Wild.