Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[djsunyc]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

with kawhi leaving - there is a golden opportunity to get to the finals. losing brogdon hurts that chance. bucks just had to pay luxury for a year then they could've traded someone. if there was a time to bring the gang back together, this was the time. now if you want to add a player, it's going to be tough and it won't be someone of the caliber of brogdon.

If he didn't want to be here, getting assets for him was the best possible outcome.

it's really that simple.

i think his feelings came when he didn't feel the RFA love from the bucks.

[Bucksfan28]

with kawhi leaving - there is a golden opportunity to get to the finals. losing brogdon hurts that chance. bucks just had to pay luxury for a year then they could've traded someone. if there was a time to bring the gang back together, this was the time. now if you want to add a player, it's going to be tough and it won't be someone of the caliber of brogdon.

If he didn't want to be here, getting assets for him was the best possible outcome.

it's really that simple.

i think his feelings came when he didn't feel the RFA love from the bucks.

Him wanting to play PG and have a bigger role suggest those feelings came long before FA started.

[mke_design]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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[Bucksfan28]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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*Patiently waiting for the PP soccer joke*

[DrWood]

I'm really sad about the TPE news, but I guess, are we really surprised that a team that doesn't seem to understand assets (or RFA, for that matter) at all didn't properly arrange for one more avenue to create an asset?

If Hinkie were GM (assuming all the same moves - even though I doubt he re-signs MIddleton), zero percent chance that the Bucks don't have a TPE right now.

If Hinkie were GM, our only assets would be first round picks.

[Bernman]

I won't hold my breath but it would be nice if Milwaukee journalists hold Horst's feet to the fire about the luxury tax. For a team in championship contention, it is ridiculous that it would limit the team from getting better. billionaires!

The entire Brogdon transaction, really, if we lost the TPE. Not only did we lose a starter, but we don't have the means to add talent without using salary on our end, and all of our rostered salary of any consequence is now tied up in rotational players. So we lose a significant family of options in terms of upgrading our roster in the face of a downgrade. Very disappointing.

Yup, we also lost the Leuer expiring salary to package him w/ another player/picks and add immediate quality to the ballclub to replace the loss of Brogdon or upgrade from Bledsoe before the playoffs.

I was cautiously pessimistic going into this offseason because Lasry was taking over as governor, but thought he might employ the KISS method to overcome it. They tried to do too much by changing the shooting/potency dynamic adding Lopez and letting go of Malcolm, even if in a vacuum those weren't overly bad moves. There is also the angle PP has brought up in the past they could sell the team to an owner who is free to move them starting in 2023...

Hopefully Giannis becomes a reliable shooter this offseason and stipulates he'll never leave the Bucks so long as they're in Milwaukee, making most of the concerns mooted.

[EastSideBucksFan]

There is also the angle PP has brought up in the past they could sell the team to an owner who is free to move them starting in 2023...

Moving the team in the near future is an extremely, extremely unlikely scenario with significant penalties

I would not worry about that for even a second

The non-relocation agreement signed Wednesday includes financial penalties paid by the Bucks to the state and local governments if the team leaves before the lease expires.

Those damages start at $553 million in the lease's first year and are never lower than $200 million. That amount will always be higher than the remaining public debt for the arena, according to the term sheet.

http://archive.jsonline.com/business/wisconsin-center-district-board-approves-30-year-lease-for-bucks-arena-b99705536z1-375553911.html/

[trwi7]

There is also the angle PP has brought up in the past they could sell the team to an owner who is free to move them starting in 2023...

Moving the team in the near future is an extremely, extremely unlikely scenario with significant penalties

I would not worry about that for even a second

The non-relocation agreement signed Wednesday includes financial penalties paid by the Bucks to the state and local governments if the team leaves before the lease expires.

Those damages start at $553 million in the lease's first year and are never lower than $200 million. That amount will always be higher than the remaining public debt for the arena, according to the term sheet.

http://archive.jsonline.com/business/wisconsin-center-district-board-approves-30-year-lease-for-bucks-arena-b99705536z1-375553911.html/

Not that I think it's going to happen but if an owner is willing to drop a billion plus to buy an NBA team, I don't think they would have any problem dropping an extra few hundred million to relocate it to the city of their choice.

[Bernman]

There is also the angle PP has brought up in the past they could sell the team to an owner who is free to move them starting in 2023...

Moving the team in the near future is an extremely, extremely unlikely scenario with significant penalties

I would not worry about that for even a second

The non-relocation agreement signed Wednesday includes financial penalties paid by the Bucks to the state and local governments if the team leaves before the lease expires.

Those damages start at $553 million in the lease's first year and are never lower than $200 million. That amount will always be higher than the remaining public debt for the arena, according to the term sheet.

http://archive.jsonline.com/business/wisconsin-center-district-board-approves-30-year-lease-for-bucks-arena-b99705536z1-375553911.html/

It's a pertinent point. At the same time the difference in valuation between an ownership of an NBA franchise in Milwaukee and Seattle or Vegas, for examples, is a heck of a lot more than 200+ million. The gap between the Bucks and the top 5 franchise valuations is about 1.5 billion give or take a few hundred million.

And these owners have shown to be sneaky snakes in business dealings with the state or otherwise. Even if they didn't directly sell the team themselves, it's very much shown to be in their character to sell it to somebody who claims they'd keep the team in Milwaukee, but then turns around shortly after and finds an excuse to move them while LED takes their cut but little of the blame.

[Chuck Diesel]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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The thing that kills me is the Australian Bucks.com writer declaring how “shocking” it is to see fans rip the organization and assume they didn’t willingly toss aside the TPE. Dude spends way more time trying to shame Bucks fans than doing anything worthwhile journalistically.

[Turk Nowitzki]

It must've been nice to be a GM like 15-20 years ago when the 10 fans in the world who knew about this cap stuff didn't have a good way to share it with the other people like this.

[truly]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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The thing that kills me is the Australian Bucks.com writer declaring how “shocking” it is to see fans rip the organization and assume they didn’t willingly toss aside the TPE. Dude spends way more time trying to shame Bucks fans than doing anything worthwhile journalistically.

He is trying to get hired,cut him some slack...

[HaroldinGMinor]

Pretty sure Thon is older than he claims to be. Anyone else hearing this?

[trwi7]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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The thing that kills me is the Australian Bucks.com writer declaring how “shocking” it is to see fans rip the organization and assume they didn’t willingly toss aside the TPE. Dude spends way more time trying to shame Bucks fans than doing anything worthwhile journalistically.

He is trying to get hired,cut him some slack...

I'm not following him but if he's doing what Chuck Diesel says he's doing then he's doing a really **** job of trying to get hired.

[kid idioteque]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

They are similar in that they’re both Bucks mistakes, the difference is now the mistake has a much better chance to cost us a title.

1) Trading Tobias indirectly led to us drafting Giannis. And possibly not maxing Tobias somewhere down the line.

2) We had the perfect chance to win a title with Brogdon on the team and we didn't win it.

[kid idioteque]

with kawhi leaving - there is a golden opportunity to get to the finals. losing brogdon hurts that chance. bucks just had to pay luxury for a year then they could've traded someone. if there was a time to bring the gang back together, this was the time. now if you want to add a player, it's going to be tough and it won't be someone of the caliber of brogdon.

If he didn't want to be here, getting assets for him was the best possible outcome.

it's really that simple.

i think his feelings came when he didn't feel the RFA love from the bucks.

I heard he moved out of his Milwaukee place as soon as the season ended.

[Chuck Diesel]

Brogdon is definitely the new Tobias Harris around here. Except the difference there was that we didn't get anything in return.

It's gonna be okay, y'all.

They are similar in that they’re both Bucks mistakes, the difference is now the mistake has a much better chance to cost us a title.

1) Trading Tobias indirectly led to us drafting Giannis. And possibly not maxing Tobias somewhere down the line.

2) We had the perfect chance to win a title with Brogdon on the team and we didn't win it.

Don’t you think we have a more “perfect” chance now with Kawhi out of the Eastern conference?

[Chuck Diesel]

People in line for astronomical salary bumps typically move out of their rented condos and look to buy homes.

[emunney]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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The thing that kills me is the Australian Bucks.com writer declaring how “shocking” it is to see fans rip the organization and assume they didn’t willingly toss aside the TPE. Dude spends way more time trying to shame Bucks fans than doing anything worthwhile journalistically.

I'm sure they were AWARE how close they were to having the TPE. The question is how did they paint themselves into that corner and did they exhaust every possible avenue to get themselves out of it? Hill could have had more money guaranteed down the line, we could have reduced base salaries in favor of some 'unlikely' bonuses (Finals appearance? Games started/played for Hill) that wouldn't have counted against the cap now but would have been a good gamble by the players if we, for instance, doubled or tripled up the value. That TPE was precious, man. Somewhere in this sequence we **** up at least once to lose it.

[blazza18]

Wonder what would've helped us win a title and keep Giannis more?

Signing his brother for two years or figuring a way not to lose the TPE and using it to upgrade the team?