Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[paulpressey25]

Think KOC's take is spot on. We've either got a two year window with Dame and Middleton or we don't.

And lest we think KOC is singling out the Bucks, he and Verno on the latest pod are calling Denver's owners cheap and wondering what they're doing to Jokic. KOC says Denver could at least have gone after Delon Wright like the Bucks did.

[soxperry]

Read on Twitter

Im pretty damn sure i walked past aj johnson at the trade hotel sunday night.

Thats it, thats the post

[raferfenix]

Rockets haven’t done anything significant yet.

Sure the smart move might be to be patient but that’s not what they did last summer.

[emunney]

KOC.

11. The Milwaukee Bucks are confusing me.
The 2024 NBA draft class was filled with upperclassman prospects who are ready to contribute as rookies. You’d think a contending team like Milwaukee, which was armed with two picks, would take advantage. Instead, the Bucks drafted two unready, raw teenagers, guard AJ Johnson and forward Tyler Smith. Terrence Shannon (Minnesota), Baylor Scheierman (Boston), and Tyler Kolek (New York) were just a few of the many players still on the board at no. 23 who could’ve helped the Bucks. Maybe general manager Jon Horst knows that head coach Doc Rivers isn’t playing any rookie, no matter how ready they are. But if that’s the case, then they have a bigger problem on their hands if a journeyman like Delon Wright is their only free agent solution so far. The summer isn’t over yet, of course. But teams like the Sixers, Knicks, and Magic are taking leaps, and the Bucks are off to an undeniably strange start.

12. Brook Lopez is twisting in the wind.
A few weeks ago, I reported that the Bucks would like to play a more versatile style of defense next season. This raised questions about whether Lopez has a future in Milwaukee. In the time since, multiple reports have indicated that the Bucks have indeed listened to offers for him. Yahoo’s Fischer says that the Lakers have inquired about his availability. As of now, nothing seems concrete. But the Bucks are in the middle of a flop of an offseason. And so are the Lakers, after they whiffed on all their free agent targets. In the days to come, maybe there’s a deal to be made that would send Lopez to L.A., D’Angelo Russell to a third team, and pieces to the Bucks.

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

[fansinceforever]

Rockets still seem like the ideal trade target for multiple of our guys. The Bucks will make a move eventually.

[msiris]

KOC.

11. The Milwaukee Bucks are confusing me.
The 2024 NBA draft class was filled with upperclassman prospects who are ready to contribute as rookies. You’d think a contending team like Milwaukee, which was armed with two picks, would take advantage. Instead, the Bucks drafted two unready, raw teenagers, guard AJ Johnson and forward Tyler Smith. Terrence Shannon (Minnesota), Baylor Scheierman (Boston), and Tyler Kolek (New York) were just a few of the many players still on the board at no. 23 who could’ve helped the Bucks. Maybe general manager Jon Horst knows that head coach Doc Rivers isn’t playing any rookie, no matter how ready they are. But if that’s the case, then they have a bigger problem on their hands if a journeyman like Delon Wright is their only free agent solution so far. The summer isn’t over yet, of course. But teams like the Sixers, Knicks, and Magic are taking leaps, and the Bucks are off to an undeniably strange start.

12. Brook Lopez is twisting in the wind.
A few weeks ago, I reported that the Bucks would like to play a more versatile style of defense next season. This raised questions about whether Lopez has a future in Milwaukee. In the time since, multiple reports have indicated that the Bucks have indeed listened to offers for him. Yahoo’s Fischer says that the Lakers have inquired about his availability. As of now, nothing seems concrete. But the Bucks are in the middle of a flop of an offseason. And so are the Lakers, after they whiffed on all their free agent targets. In the days to come, maybe there’s a deal to be made that would send Lopez to L.A., D’Angelo Russell to a third team, and pieces to the Bucks.

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

So who was a better prospect? Shannon orAJ?

[raferfenix]

KOC asks if a trade might be incoming in Denver.

Any way they’d move on from Aaron Gordon?

Cheapskate owners are a variable and all of a sudden they got holes to fill but still suspect this is too much to hope for.

[emunney]

KOC.

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

So who was a better prospect? Shannon orAJ?

Hell if I know.

[M-C-G]

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Definitely seems like high energy was a big motivator for these picks. Also though Doc saying something like ‘the roster we expect to end up with’…makes me think they have a deal lined up

[Matches Malone]

"Pete Dominguez will coach the Summer League team. Dave Joerger is back. Darvin Ham. Greg Buckner. Pete, Rex and the other guys we had last year will be behind the bench. Yeah I love our staff, it may be one of the best staffs I've ever had." – Doc on the '24-25 coaching staff

[raferfenix]

Hawks don’t own their first until 2028.

Another team to watch who might not be done this offseason. KOC:

The Atlanta Hawks might be screwed.

What Atlanta got back for point guard Dejounte Murray is fair: firsts in 2025 and 2027, plus Larry Nance Jr., Dyson Daniels, and E.J. Liddell. But it doesn’t come close to the three valuable firsts and one swap the Hawks originally gave up to get Murray from San Antonio. The Hawks’ current roster will barely compete for the playoffs in the East, and they don’t own the rights to any of their firsts until 2028. If the Spurs called today offering those picks back for Trae Young, the Hawks would happily say yes. But San Antonio is holding them hostage, opting to sign CP3 as a placeholder rather than make a trade for a point guard like Trae. As good as Young is, San Antonio would benefit a lot more from being patient. The Hawks have looked nothing but incompetent in recent years. They’d better hope that Zaccharie Risacher works out, or it’ll get ugly fast.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/7/2/24190616/nba-free-agency-2024-deals-trade-rumors-lauri-markkanen

[soxperry]

Couldnt help but notice that when Doc went through the vets that the rookies can learn from he named off, in order,

Dame
Giannis
Bobby
Brook

No mention of Khris.

Also, Horst implying that there will be a couple big moves today (in the league).

[M-C-G]

For discussion
MKE IN Smart, Gafford, Kleiber
MEM IN Portis, Pat C
DAL IN Lopez, Marjon

That type of deal transforms the roster while keeping our big 3 together.

[msiris]

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

So who was a better prospect? Shannon orAJ?

Hell if I know.

Honestly I made the mistake of hating the player because I have no clue who will be better. I admit I wanted Shannon because I am sick of watching guys like Beas and now Wright who are not starters. How much worst could Shannon have been then these guys. Just want to see a fresh face instead of recycling past not so god guys. The bar is pretty low as is. But I also understand that the Bucks are cap hell and are very limited.

[ReasonablySober]

Couldnt help but notice that when Doc went through the vets that the rookies can learn from he named off, in order,

Dame
Giannis
Bobby
Brook

No mention of Khris.

Also, Horst implying that there will be a couple big moves today (in the league).

[MuckyFingers]

KOC.

He’s not wrong.

Not at all. I usually get a little sensitive when the media paints us in a certain light, but this offseason has proven that Horst is out of his league. One of the most important offseasons in recent memory, and we have been linked to Delon Wright, Jabari Parker and Daniel Theis. The draft (regardless of players selected) was an absolute joke regarding asset management at the very least, and the trade front is looking less and less likely every day. What's the plan here?

Guys in their '30's with long injury histories not being hurt in April. That's the plan.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

KOC.

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

So who was a better prospect? Shannon orAJ?

Both probably crappy prospects. Shannon is 23 (going to be 24 in a few weeks) who dominated his FIFTH year in college. Like cool, I would hope a borderline prospect who is 6'6" and fully developed would put up good numbers against amateurs. I don't think AJJ is going to be any good, but I at least see there's a chance of him being a high-end bench player. Shannon's full potential is basically going to be reach in the next 18 months but Johnson probably won't play much during that period.

[soxperry]

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

So who was a better prospect? Shannon orAJ?

Both probably crappy prospects. Shannon is 23 (going to be 24 in a few weeks) who dominated his FIFTH year in college. Like cool, I would hope a borderline prospect who is 6'6" and fully developed would put up good numbers against amateurs. I don't think AJJ is going to be any good, but I at least see there's a chance of him being a high-end bench player. Shannon's full potential is basically going to be reach in the next 18 months but Johnson probably won't play much during that period.

AJ's potential is a lot higher than that, its just a matter of likelihood

[raferfenix]

Golden State is reportedly discussing sending Jonathan Kuminga to Utah along with picks (the Warriors can deal firsts in 2025 and 2027, plus swaps in four other years).

Wonder at what point negotiating with Ainge for Lauri becomes less enticing than Horst for Khris.

[Daver]

If im trading kris its for someone like ingram players of his mold not guys who are meh