Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin

[humanrefutation]

You've got to be kidding me with that. We included AJ Johnson, too?

This part frosts me. Fire Horst

I’m been somewhat sanguine about the trade, with an emphasis on the 2nd apron and TPMLE money issues. But at least my instant reaction was correct before I started to enter the bargaining stage of grief.

Same here. The AJ Johnson aspect of this trade just struck me as an indefensible risk. At the time, a small part of me hoped that the organization had done enough diligence to sour them on his potential. But this organization has done such a poor job of identifying and nuturing young talent that even my small amount of hope seems now to have been awfully misplaced.

I don't know is AJ will be a DUDE or just a dude. But I'm hating this move more every single day.

Hopefully this spells the end of Horst and triggers an organizational overhaul.

[Baddy Chuck]

The team was broken before the trade, and the only positive the trade brought was dipping the 2nd apron, which we didn't use to improve the team at the deadline. I don't expect it to prove much in the offseason either.

PP finally got his Redd and Sessions for RLEC deal.

[paulpressey25]

PP finally got his Redd and Sessions for RLEC deal.

Nobody was giving up Sessions to dump Redd. Least of all me. And we stupidly turned down Redd for Wally’s expiring contract even up, because it would have turned Hammond’s stomach to send him to Cleveland

[Matches Malone]

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[Ayt]

Johnson is insanely athletic for a dude that measured 6′ 4.25” barefoot. He also already clearly understands hesitation and misdirection. He also shot 42% from three in the G-League.

I haven't watched any of his full games to know if he has the potential to understand the game mentally, but he oozes potential.

[BUCKnation]

Guh

[Wonka]

I remember certain posters saying that Baldwin is a better prospect than AJ, and many people agreed lol. Posting on a basketball forum doesn’t mean you know basketball talent. This kid is going to be something that we could’ve used at the very least. He has oodles more potential than Ryan Rollins and especially Patrick Baldwin

[Wonka]

Good trade. AJ Johnson is useless, not sure why there's so much disappointment around his inclusion. Patrick Baldwin Jr. is a better prospect than he is (to put it into perspective of just how unlikely it is that AJ Johnson will ever play rotational minutes in the NBA)

Got under the 2nd apron. Get a guy who in theory will be able to stay on the floor. Defense is improved. Size is improved. Still have the 31' first. Could simply be a Bobby replacement if we can swing a trade for a starting SF now that we can aggregate.

There's definitely at least one more trade coming. Probably two. Everyone has been reporting for over a month the Bucks are the most aggressive team in the market. With as little wiggle room as we've had, let's see how it shakes out.

5 of you agreed with this. Bans should be handed out like candy.

[Siefer]

God, this trade was a disaster.

[MickeyDavis]

Good trade. AJ Johnson is useless, not sure why there's so much disappointment around his inclusion. Patrick Baldwin Jr. is a better prospect than he is (to put it into perspective of just how unlikely it is that AJ Johnson will ever play rotational minutes in the NBA)

Got under the 2nd apron. Get a guy who in theory will be able to stay on the floor. Defense is improved. Size is improved. Still have the 31' first. Could simply be a Bobby replacement if we can swing a trade for a starting SF now that we can aggregate.

There's definitely at least one more trade coming. Probably two. Everyone has been reporting for over a month the Bucks are the most aggressive team in the market. With as little wiggle room as we've had, let's see how it shakes out.

5 of you agreed with this. Bans should be handed out like candy.

If we start calling out/banning people for bad takes there would be no one left here, including you.

[Wonka]

Good trade. AJ Johnson is useless, not sure why there's so much disappointment around his inclusion. Patrick Baldwin Jr. is a better prospect than he is (to put it into perspective of just how unlikely it is that AJ Johnson will ever play rotational minutes in the NBA)

Got under the 2nd apron. Get a guy who in theory will be able to stay on the floor. Defense is improved. Size is improved. Still have the 31' first. Could simply be a Bobby replacement if we can swing a trade for a starting SF now that we can aggregate.

There's definitely at least one more trade coming. Probably two. Everyone has been reporting for over a month the Bucks are the most aggressive team in the market. With as little wiggle room as we've had, let's see how it shakes out.

5 of you agreed with this. Bans should be handed out like candy.

If we start calling out/banning people for bad takes there would be no one left here, including you.

One hundred percent lol. I’ve had my fair share, and been banned my fair share Just reading back through the thread and a couple of them stood out.

[Jez2983]

God, this trade was a disaster.

AussieBuck messaged me last year saying he was our lottery ticket. So much to like that we didn't have on our team - speed, bounce, ability to get to the rack.

Traded for Kyle Kuzma. This one's an all-timer.

[Dick Tate]

Pat's player option started the cascade failure.

[kanyon]

Why even draft an obscure dude that scored 2 PPG in Australia if you didn't know he had some crazy potential/upside? THE BUCKS KNEW/HORST KNEW this is what is maddening
.

[ReasonablySober]

Why even draft an obscure dude that scored 2 PPG in Australia if you didn't know he had some crazy potential/upside? THE BUCKS KNEW/HORST KNEW this is what is maddening
.

I've been thinking the opposite since the trade. They never had any plan for him outside of being the kind of high upside young prospect that might be appealing as a trade chip. Because if they truly thought he was a future piece of the organization they never would have moved him in such a terrible deal.

[Baddy Chuck]

Why even draft an obscure dude that scored 2 PPG in Australia if you didn't know he had some crazy potential/upside? THE BUCKS KNEW/HORST KNEW this is what is maddening
.

I've been thinking the opposite since the trade. They never had any plan for him outside of being the kind of high upside young prospect that might be appealing as a trade chip. Because if they truly thought he was a future piece of the organization they never would have moved him in such a terrible deal.

Red pilled theory: Horst drafted the kid high because he really liked him but has slowly been losing control to Doc who didn't give a **** about a kid playing in the G-League and wanted immediate help*.

*Help being Kyle Kuzma, as hard as that may seem.

Owners got to save a boatload of money too, so they don't care, also are leaning towards Doc's side over Horst.

[Dick Tate]

Why even draft an obscure dude that scored 2 PPG in Australia if you didn't know he had some crazy potential/upside? THE BUCKS KNEW/HORST KNEW this is what is maddening
.

I've been thinking the opposite since the trade. They never had any plan for him outside of being the kind of high upside young prospect that might be appealing as a trade chip. Because if they truly thought he was a future piece of the organization they never would have moved him in such a terrible deal.

Exactly. Trading Pat and the ‘31 2nd was the original goal to get under the 2nd apron. Drafting AJJ was due them rightfully believing no team would be interested in that package.

[BUCKnation]

AJ Johnson leaves Ilawara, they win the NBL the next year.
AJ Jonhson leaves the Bucks, they win ??? next year.

[paulpressey25]

Why even draft an obscure dude that scored 2 PPG in Australia if you didn't know he had some crazy potential/upside? THE BUCKS KNEW/HORST KNEW this is what is maddening
.

I've been thinking the opposite since the trade. They never had any plan for him outside of being the kind of high upside young prospect that might be appealing as a trade chip. Because if they truly thought he was a future piece of the organization they never would have moved him in such a terrible deal.

Think the more likely scenario is Doc spent six months with the kid and said to himself that he’s a dope that won’t amount to much. I can totally see Doc in meetings before the trade deadline saying “Khris can’t play anymore with his injuries, AJ doesn’t have the IQ, and I need help now. Get me help now”.

The owners then looked at how much cash they were blowing on luxury tax, calculated the savings for next year. And they made the deal.

[Bernman]

Think the more likely scenario is Doc spent six months with the kid and said to himself that he’s a dope that won’t amount to much. I can totally see Doc in meetings before the trade deadline saying “Khris can’t play anymore with his injuries, AJ doesn’t have the IQ, and I need help now. Get me help now”.

The owners then looked at how much cash they were blowing on luxury tax, calculated the savings for next year. And they made the deal.

AJ doesn't come across to me as a dope though. I think it's more like he's not ready & Doc needs to save his legacy. Between that, & Khris' injuries making him unreliable, he sold to owners a slew of win now players he liked. They went down the list, from Butler to LaVine to Kuz.

Maybe Doc as POBO would be more patient, but he's incompetent at his main job. What's he going to be at his backup one. I thought of it as a lesser evil if he got kicked upstairs and off the sidelines. But him controlling personnel even further is scary. This relationship needs to end, now.