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Post#1021 » by Sherman Douglas » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:49 am

emunney wrote:Magic dominated Game 6 of the Finals as a 20 year old rookie. Of course he had better teammates but asking what Magic did at 20-21 makes you look flat ignorant. That's one of the top 5 legendary performances in the history of the sport.

It's not a question of "what did Magic do at 20-21 that Giannis hasn't done?", because obviously he won a title and won Finals MVP. The question should be "what could Magic do at 20-21 that Giannis can't?" Magic was a better player, yes, but Giannis can absolutely be compared in terms of ability, how unusual his size/style combo is, and his potential.
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Post#1022 » by bucksbrewers3 » Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:08 am

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emunney wrote:Magic dominated Game 6 of the Finals as a 20 year old rookie. Of course he had better teammates but asking what Magic did at 20-21 makes you look flat ignorant. That's one of the top 5 legendary performances in the history of the sport.

It's not a question of "what did Magic do at 20-21 that Giannis hasn't done?", because obviously he won a title and won Finals MVP. The question should be "what could Magic do at 20-21 that Giannis can't?" Magic was a better player, yes, but Giannis can absolutely be compared in terms of ability, how unusual his size/style combo is, and his potential.


Won a title and finals MVP while Giannis is putting up what everyone here would call harden empty stats. Giannis can do everything. I'm really excited to see what he can do with NBA talent on his team.


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Post#1023 » by Magic Giannison » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:51 am

HOLY **** .
I just learned that GIannis went to the same High School i did ( 6th Egaleo High School) , what are the chances of that.
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Post#1024 » by HKPackFan » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:39 am

HKPackFan wrote:What is Giannis 3pt performance last 5 games? I see an uptick right?


Thanks JSonline.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/giannis-antetokounmpo-gaining-confidence-in-three-pointers-b99701709z1-375119061.html

In the Milwaukee Bucks' 124-109 loss to the Boston Celtics at TD Garden on Friday night, Antetokounmpo buried a career-high 4 three-pointers, making the first four of his five attempts. That's part of a positive trend for the point forward, who is 8 for 12 from three-point range in the past five games after going 13 for 81 in his first 72 outings this season.
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..."How many did he have coming into the game?" Celtics coach Brad Stevens asked rhetorically. "I think it was 10% of his shots total and that's actually ratcheted up since the last time we played him. So it's a big deal. If he starts making threes at a regular rate, watch out.
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"We tried the '90s basketball and it wasn't working," coach Jason Kidd said. "The process for Jabari and Giannis — we didn't have them shoot threes last year and we found a way to win and we were successful.

"The game is changing quickly. The three-pointer is becoming more important than layups. You've got to look at those guys shooting and they're going to continue to shoot more threes. We're encouraging that and I think you'll see that they're comfortable shooting it."




Did Kidd say what I think he said? 90's basketball doesn't work?
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Post#1025 » by DutchManDanFan » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:00 pm

Kidd never gives much information about what is going on behind the scenes. The fun thing is reporters buying what he says...
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Post#1026 » by DingleJerry » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:06 pm

Yall remember that Magic really couldn't shoot? Not near the athlete either that Giannis was either. The pro Giannis side he was just saying Giannis can be as versatile/flexible to do everything on the court as much or more than Magic/Lebron. Nowhere in there did they say that the areas where Magic/Lebron were elite wouldn't trump Giannis therefore making them better players than Giannis.
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Post#1027 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:14 pm

Say what you want about Kidd, but I don't know how anyone can argue with his approach towards player development at this point with the results we've seen from not only Giannis, but Jabari, Middleton, and Ennis as well.
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Post#1028 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:17 pm

HKPackFan wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:What is Giannis 3pt performance last 5 games? I see an uptick right?


Thanks JSonline.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/giannis-antetokounmpo-gaining-confidence-in-three-pointers-b99701709z1-375119061.html

In the Milwaukee Bucks' 124-109 loss to the Boston Celtics at TD Garden on Friday night, Antetokounmpo buried a career-high 4 three-pointers, making the first four of his five attempts. That's part of a positive trend for the point forward, who is 8 for 12 from three-point range in the past five games after going 13 for 81 in his first 72 outings this season.
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..."How many did he have coming into the game?" Celtics coach Brad Stevens asked rhetorically. "I think it was 10% of his shots total and that's actually ratcheted up since the last time we played him. So it's a big deal. If he starts making threes at a regular rate, watch out.
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"We tried the '90s basketball and it wasn't working," coach Jason Kidd said. "The process for Jabari and Giannis — we didn't have them shoot threes last year and we found a way to win and we were successful.

"The game is changing quickly. The three-pointer is becoming more important than layups. You've got to look at those guys shooting and they're going to continue to shoot more threes. We're encouraging that and I think you'll see that they're comfortable shooting it."




Did Kidd say what I think he said? 90's basketball doesn't work?



Interesting...is there anyone left that still thinks they were just choosing not to shoot threes, or can we all agree they were instructed not to shoot threes?

While I have hated many things about Kidd's development plan, the results have been great in an otherwise dismal season.
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Post#1029 » by Shaffty » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:25 pm

M-C-G wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:What is Giannis 3pt performance last 5 games? I see an uptick right?


Thanks JSonline.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/giannis-antetokounmpo-gaining-confidence-in-three-pointers-b99701709z1-375119061.html

In the Milwaukee Bucks' 124-109 loss to the Boston Celtics at TD Garden on Friday night, Antetokounmpo buried a career-high 4 three-pointers, making the first four of his five attempts. That's part of a positive trend for the point forward, who is 8 for 12 from three-point range in the past five games after going 13 for 81 in his first 72 outings this season.
...


..."How many did he have coming into the game?" Celtics coach Brad Stevens asked rhetorically. "I think it was 10% of his shots total and that's actually ratcheted up since the last time we played him. So it's a big deal. If he starts making threes at a regular rate, watch out.
"



"We tried the '90s basketball and it wasn't working," coach Jason Kidd said. "The process for Jabari and Giannis — we didn't have them shoot threes last year and we found a way to win and we were successful.

"The game is changing quickly. The three-pointer is becoming more important than layups. You've got to look at those guys shooting and they're going to continue to shoot more threes. We're encouraging that and I think you'll see that they're comfortable shooting it."




Did Kidd say what I think he said? 90's basketball doesn't work?



Interesting...is there anyone left that still thinks they were just choosing not to shoot threes, or can we all agree they were instructed not to shoot threes?

While I have hated many things about Kidd's development plan, the results have been great in an otherwise dismal season.



we've been sure of this for almost a year?
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Post#1030 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:28 pm

Shaffty wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:
Thanks JSonline.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/giannis-antetokounmpo-gaining-confidence-in-three-pointers-b99701709z1-375119061.html

In the Milwaukee Bucks' 124-109 loss to the Boston Celtics at TD Garden on Friday night, Antetokounmpo buried a career-high 4 three-pointers, making the first four of his five attempts. That's part of a positive trend for the point forward, who is 8 for 12 from three-point range in the past five games after going 13 for 81 in his first 72 outings this season.
...


..."How many did he have coming into the game?" Celtics coach Brad Stevens asked rhetorically. "I think it was 10% of his shots total and that's actually ratcheted up since the last time we played him. So it's a big deal. If he starts making threes at a regular rate, watch out.
"



"We tried the '90s basketball and it wasn't working," coach Jason Kidd said. "The process for Jabari and Giannis — we didn't have them shoot threes last year and we found a way to win and we were successful.

"The game is changing quickly. The three-pointer is becoming more important than layups. You've got to look at those guys shooting and they're going to continue to shoot more threes. We're encouraging that and I think you'll see that they're comfortable shooting it."




Did Kidd say what I think he said? 90's basketball doesn't work?



Interesting...is there anyone left that still thinks they were just choosing not to shoot threes, or can we all agree they were instructed not to shoot threes?

While I have hated many things about Kidd's development plan, the results have been great in an otherwise dismal season.



we've been sure of this for almost a year?


You would think so, but it wasn't even 4 weeks ago there was a vocal contingent suggesting that they don't shoot threes because they don't want to be embarrassed. That argument than pivoted to Kidd sees them in practice and instructs them to not shoot because he knows they can't.
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Post#1031 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Say what you want about Kidd, but I don't know how anyone can argue with his approach towards player development at this point with the results we've seen from not only Giannis, but Jabari, Middleton, and Ennis as well.


I agree, but it is still hard for me to like him overall when I have to factor in his schemes and his GMing. I can maybe overlook the scheme if we go out and get players that fit it this off season. But the GM part of it has been mega awful.
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Post#1032 » by raferfenix » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:40 pm

Kidd's line about 90's basketball bodes ill for Monroe + MCW.

Not that it should be surprising but good to confirm.
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Post#1033 » by HKPackFan » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:44 pm

raferfenix wrote:Kidd's line about 90's basketball bodes ill for Monroe + MCW.

Not that it should be surprising but good to confirm.


Ya. He acknowledged it didn't work..... Does that mean he's done with those 2. I hope so.
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Post#1034 » by Jez2983 » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:51 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Say what you want about Kidd, but I don't know how anyone can argue with his approach towards player development at this point with the results we've seen from not only Giannis, but Jabari, Middleton, and Ennis as well.


I agree, but it is still hard for me to like him overall when I have to factor in his schemes and his GMing. I can maybe overlook the scheme if we go out and get players that fit it this off season. But the GM part of it has been mega awful.


+2

Pretty certain Kidd is not the only guy in basketball who thinks 3's are worthless. How different is this to Pops lamenting the huge increase in 3's and hankering for '90s ball'?

J&G hitting 3's along with Ennis have been my favourite part of the last 1-2 weeks. Wish Inglis was there too :(

And again in case Shaffty gets angry again, Kidd is a terrible GM and runs frustrating schemes. His player management in game is also poor.
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Post#1035 » by DingleJerry » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:56 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
M-C-G wrote:

Interesting...is there anyone left that still thinks they were just choosing not to shoot threes, or can we all agree they were instructed not to shoot threes?

While I have hated many things about Kidd's development plan, the results have been great in an otherwise dismal season.



we've been sure of this for almost a year?


You would think so, but it wasn't even 4 weeks ago there was a vocal contingent suggesting that they don't shoot threes because they don't want to be embarrassed. That argument than pivoted to Kidd sees them in practice and instructs them to not shoot because he knows they can't.


Well Giannis shot 12.5% from 3 in March. Pretty small sample so far in April. The positive of course is that Jabari has looked more than respectable at 3 since being allowed, hit at 40% on basically one attempt per game in March. Not so hot last few games but small sample. IDK, maybe as others have mentioned it made sense to force Jabari into other stuff instead of letting him float around the 3pt line even if they though he could be OK, which so far he has. And as some of us said a few months ago, now that we're out of the playoffs let them shoot and do more things even if it's not their strength. And they're doing exactly that.

Really excited what an offseason of skill development will do for both guys. The offense could be unstoppable if both are legit threats from 3.
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Post#1036 » by skones » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:59 pm

90s basketball not working 80 games into the season. Woof.
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Post#1037 » by M-C-G » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:04 pm

BadgersBucks wrote:
Really excited what an offseason of skill development will do for both guys. The offense could be unstoppable if both are legit threats from 3.


Yeah, I mean sky is the limit. I kind of feel like my excitement for this season (as in playoff expectations not player development) got deferred to next season pretty early in the year. But with that said, I just hope we undo some mistakes (Moose for instance), bring in people that fit in FA (Dova and Dudley for instance) and just give Giannis, Parker, Midds, Vaughn, Ennis and Inglis a full off season to develop and come back with bigger roles.
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Post#1038 » by UWM_Brew_Buck » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:18 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Say what you want about Kidd, but I don't know how anyone can argue with his approach towards player development at this point with the results we've seen from not only Giannis, but Jabari, Middleton, and Ennis as well.


Yep he has been a terrible GM and we need a real one asap. His lineups are questionable to say the least but the player development has been very good and that is by far the most important thing for me.
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Post#1040 » by -Jragon- » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:10 am

Was this posted?

First video is nice - GA at point is unfair

http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/03/19/point-giannis-unlocking-jabari-parker/

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