Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[MickeyDavis]

What other organization of fans know more about the salary cap than Bucks fans? Or even better, which organizations fans are more in tune with said possibilities of the cap than fans and a retired blogger in frank madden than any “journalist” we have. I’m looking at you Matt and Eric...


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The thing that kills me is the Australian Bucks.com writer declaring how “shocking” it is to see fans rip the organization and assume they didn’t willingly toss aside the TPE. Dude spends way more time trying to shame Bucks fans than doing anything worthwhile journalistically.

He is trying to get hired,cut him some slack...

I blocked him on Twitter a few months ago. His coming over from Australia was an interesting story but he adds nothing.

[emunney]

My favorite argument is still "Guess you must be smarter than a NBA front office!" like these guys blasted their way to the top with raw mental firepower.

"It is I, Sports Employee, and I will solve your riddle, little man."

[paulpressey25]

At the same time the difference in valuation between an ownership of an NBA franchise in Milwaukee and Seattle or Vegas, for examples, is a heck of a lot more than 200+ million.

Correct. They've got into it their $550mm purchase price to recoup. Then the arena cost $550mm (-/+) of which Kohl donated $100mm and the State put in $250mm. So they've got $200mm of their own cash (which ties with what the article references).

Now, if they break the lease and move the team, they lose the $200mm they invested plus the then still outstanding debt to be paid off. So about $450mm.

Add back the $550mm purchase price and they've got $1 billion into it. Seattle guy offers to buy for $2 billion, they break the lease and walk away with $1 billion profit. The State however gets a free/paid for new state of art arena for their troubles.

All that said, none of the above counts their investment in the training center and other Park East real estate developments. Those valuations take a hit if there is no NBA team in that building.

TL:DR - They probably don't move the team, but it could happen and they would come out very well.

[MickeyDavis]

I was always leery about out of town owners. Attanasio turned out to be good for the team/city but he walked into a low payroll team with a 3 year old stadium. And baseball teams rarely move.

[paulpressey25]

My favorite argument is still "Guess you must be smarter than a NBA front office!" like these guys blasted their way to the top with raw mental firepower.

"It is I, Sports Employee, and I will solve your riddle, little man."

I'm fascinated that we're back to transferring our frustrations with the front office onto the guys who cover the team. But at least we got a 60-win season and ECF appearance.

[MickeyDavis]

The days of local guys trying to develop inside sources is dead. Now teams are "covered" with lazy tweets. The local guys talk to Bud a few minutes before and after a game and just parrot back whatever he says. No one asks any probing questions for fear of losing their credentials. Not that most of them could come up with probing questions. I realize there isn't much money in it but there never was.

I had hopes when the old guard (Hunt, Enlund, Gardner) moved on but the more things change the more they stay the same. When Enlund lost his courtside seat at the press table and was moved to the top of the lower bowl at the BC I'd see him sleep through big chunks of games. Former sports editor Garry Howard was given cushy free seats and had no interest in dissing Kohl or the Bucks.

I guess this should all go in the media thread. I'll warn myself for derailing.

[Nowak008]

Do you we know 100% that we don’t have the TPE? Or this all just based off that guy’s tweet?

[engelmartin]

It's a dumb question, but which picks are these? If it's Indiana's first next year (lottery protected), that could be a pretty good pick. The contract was super steep considering the injury concerns, and more likely than not Brogdon has peaked as a player. Still, he's going to burn us for years to come.

BUT HOW DO YOU NOT GET A TPE OUT OF IT? Or at least Aaron Holiday...

[MrHoneycutt]

The days of local guys trying to develop inside sources is dead. Now teams are "covered" with lazy tweets. The local guys talk to Bud a few minutes before and after a game and just parrot back whatever he says. No one asks any probing questions for fear of losing their credentials. Not that most of them could come up with probing questions. I realize there isn't much money in it but there never was.

I had hopes when the old guard (Hunt, Enlund, Gardner) moved on but the more things change the more they stay the same. When Enlund lost his courtside seat at the press table and was moved to the top of the lower bowl at the BC I'd see him sleep through big chunks of games. Former sports editor Garry Howard was given cushy free seats and had no interest in dissing Kohl or the Bucks.

I guess this should all go in the media thread. I'll warn myself for derailing.

Between this and your Westbrook statements, I'd say you're on fire.

[LuessiT]

Do you we know 100% that we don’t have the TPE? Or this all just based off that guy’s tweet?

We 100% don't have a TPE based on the order we've done the deals. Anyway if the tweet is correct my way of getting that TPE wouldn't have worked since the offset for Hill's guarantee would have kicked in a year later.

[LittleRooster]

Let’s not give the bucks credit for the picks from the Pacers. It’s been reported how the Pacers owner came to the Bucks with the offer because he felt bad about RFA

And to add to everyone else, the TPE loss is Hammondesque


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[bizarro]

My favorite argument is still "Guess you must be smarter than a NBA front office!" like these guys blasted their way to the top with raw mental firepower.

"It is I, Sports Employee, and I will solve your riddle, little man."

I'm fascinated that we're back to transferring our frustrations with the front office onto the guys who cover the team. But at least we got a 60-win season and ECF appearance.

DON’T YOU DARE question the greatness of the Khris Middleton contract!!! DON’T YOU DARE!!! You just hate slightly above average (when motivated) defense on the wing! The TPE was a meaningless asset anyway. I mean, that’s a lot of balls to juggle. I’m getting tired just thinking of ALL the things that would have had to fall in place. Whew.

[soxperry]

Let’s not give the bucks credit for the picks from the Pacers. It’s been reported how the Pacers owner came to the Bucks with the offer because he felt bad about RFA

And to add to everyone else, the TPE loss is Hammondesque


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Why are we caught up in a game of how much to blame ownership?

If it is a good thing its a good thing.

On the other stuff, lets wait and see there are still things we can do to improve the team.

[kid idioteque]

These things are not mutually exclusive! All of them can be true.

Malcolm wanted out, the owners didn't want to pay the luxury tax, and Horst has become very overrated.

[bizarro]

Let’s not give the bucks credit for the picks from the Pacers. It’s been reported how the Pacers owner came to the Bucks with the offer because he felt bad about RFA

And to add to everyone else, the TPE loss is Hammondesque


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Why are we caught up in a game of how much to blame ownership?

If it is a good thing its a good thing.

On the other stuff, lets wait and see there are still things we can do to improve the team.

When the fish smells bad, it’s cuz it’s rotten. This is a 50% trade. Sure, they got ‘something’ because they were unwilling to go into the tax. They also got worse. Hands down. AND, they lacked the ability to orchestrate the proper order of things to acquire a $10M TPE, by all measures, because of $700,000k of George Hill’s contract. Don’t put lipstick on that pig. That is 100% inexcusable asset management.

[jakecronus8]

There’s going to be a game where Middleton is complete dog sh*t, Brogdon is killing us and he’ll hit a game winner and this place will burn. Not gonna lie, I might enjoy it a little bit.

[mke_design]

Can we go back to harassing Alex Lasry?


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[drone3]

It's getting quiet heated in here

[Matches Malone]

Can we go back to harassing Alex Lasry?

[Nowak008]

Do you we know 100% that we don’t have the TPE? Or this all just based off that guy’s tweet?

We 100% don't have a TPE based on the order we've done the deals. Anyway if the tweet is correct my way of getting that TPE wouldn't have worked since the offset for Hill's guarantee would have kicked in a year later.

Everything is fake news unless Gery says so.