Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday - Trade done - Bucks 2022 to CLE unprotected

buckbeer · Post #1021 » by **buckbeer** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:39 pm

With Jrue and all the new players, this Bucks preseason is going to be interesting to follow.

Siefer · Post #1022 » by **Siefer** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:49 pm

I think Jrue is a tier above Bled, and I think (regular season) Bled is a pretty good player. Jrue is a better defender (by virtue of his size) and a better creator. He's a bit better from three, and worse at the rim, but I think that trade-off plays in our favor. Of course, playoffs are of disproportionate importance at this point, and their samples couldn't be more different.

mke_design · Post #1023 » by **mke_design** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:01 pm

Siefer wrote:I think Jrue is a tier above Bled, and I think (regular season) Bled is a pretty good player. Jrue is a better defender (by virtue of his size) and a better creator. He's a bit better from three, and worse at the rim, but I think that trade-off plays in our favor. Of course, playoffs are of disproportionate importance at this point, and their samples couldn't be more different.

I like players with knees.

StickeeFingaz · Post #1024 » by **StickeeFingaz** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:19 pm

We can’t underestimate the difference in basketball IQ between Holiday and Bledsoe.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1025 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:24 pm

skones wrote: instead of the bail out, "I've left my feet" passes Bled would toss.

Not that it justifies the practice, but sometimes those passes were incredible. :lol:

coolhandluke121 · Post #1026 » by **coolhandluke121** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:27 pm

mke_design wrote:
Siefer wrote:I think Jrue is a tier above Bled, and I think (regular season) Bled is a pretty good player. Jrue is a better defender (by virtue of his size) and a better creator. He's a bit better from three, and worse at the rim, but I think that trade-off plays in our favor. Of course, playoffs are of disproportionate importance at this point, and their samples couldn't be more different.

I like players with knees.

I'm not sure what this means but Jrue's injury history is every bit as bad as Bledsoe's. Neither player has seemed affected by it in the last few years though.

mke_design · Post #1027 » by **mke_design** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:32 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
mke_design wrote:
Siefer wrote:I think Jrue is a tier above Bled, and I think (regular season) Bled is a pretty good player. Jrue is a better defender (by virtue of his size) and a better creator. He's a bit better from three, and worse at the rim, but I think that trade-off plays in our favor. Of course, playoffs are of disproportionate importance at this point, and their samples couldn't be more different.

I like players with knees.

I'm not sure what this means but Jrue's injury history is every bit as bad as Bledsoe's. Neither player has seemed affected by it in the last few years though.

It's not every bit as bad though?

Bucksfan28 · Post #1028 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:35 pm

mke_design wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
mke_design wrote:
I like players with knees.

I'm not sure what this means but Jrue's injury history is every bit as bad as Bledsoe's. Neither player has seemed affected by it in the last few years though.

It's not every bit as bad though?

Are you just talking prospectively? Like CHL said, Bled's knees were never a major issue here. We should hope that Jrue can maintain the same durability. Unless you're implying that Bled's prior knee issues dictated how he played.

mke_design · Post #1029 » by **mke_design** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:41 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:
mke_design wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
I'm not sure what this means but Jrue's injury history is every bit as bad as Bledsoe's. Neither player has seemed affected by it in the last few years though.

It's not every bit as bad though?

Are you just talking prospectively? Like CHL said, Bled's knees were never a major issue here. We should hope that Jrue can maintain the same durability. Unless you're implying that Bled's prior knee issues dictated how he played.

I'm worried that as age continues his knees aren't going to assist at him aging well. I don't think it really impacted his play no - that wasn't my point. My point is I'm happy that isn't an axe hanging over the head of the point guard spot for the short term.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1030 » by **coolhandluke121** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:46 pm

mke_design wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
mke_design wrote:
I like players with knees.

I'm not sure what this means but Jrue's injury history is every bit as bad as Bledsoe's. Neither player has seemed affected by it in the last few years though.

It's not every bit as bad though?

Literally almost identical in terms of games missed per season in their careers. Players in their prime usually recover from Bledsoe's meniscus problems, just like they usually recover from Jrue's multiple stress fractures. Jrue is better than Bledsoe but this is a bizarre way to argue in favor of the trade.

JayMKE · Post #1031 » by **JayMKE** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:48 pm

It comes down to whether or not Jrue can get it done in the playoffs, we don't know how much of an upgrade he is yet over Bledsoe. Bledsoe was All-NBA defensive player in the regular season, he's not a sieve but when the playoffs start it all falls apart. It's not just that Bled is ice cold shooting, he starts missing FTs, making dumbass turnovers, and most embarrassingly starts getting torched on defense so hopefully Jrue is a lot mentally stronger. Bledsoe has always been a very quiet emotional guy so maybe he just can't deal with the pressure of what he's expected to contribute in the playoffs.

It's a lot of ****ing picks, I wonder what the other potential big deals could have looked like...

mke_design · Post #1032 » by **mke_design** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:50 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
mke_design wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
I'm not sure what this means but Jrue's injury history is every bit as bad as Bledsoe's. Neither player has seemed affected by it in the last few years though.

It's not every bit as bad though?

Literally almost identical in terms of games missed per season in their careers. Players in their prime usually recover from Bledsoe's meniscus problems, just like they usually recover from Jrue's multiple stress fractures. Jrue is better than Bledsoe but this is a bizarre way to argue in favor of the trade.

Then im bizarre.

buckbeer · Post #1033 » by **buckbeer** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:54 pm

Bledsoe doesn't have playoff highlights like this.

Jrue Holiday CRAZY Full Game 4 Highlights vs Trail Blazers 2018 Playoffs - 41 Pts, 8 Ast, CLUTCH!

Watch on YouTube

emunney · Post #1034 » by **emunney** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:56 pm

buckbeer wrote:Bledsoe doesn't have playoff highlights like this.

Jrue Holiday CRAZY Full Game 4 Highlights vs Trail Blazers 2018 Playoffs - 41 Pts, 8 Ast, CLUTCH!

Watch on YouTube

It is the Trailblazers though.

buckbeer · Post #1035 » by **buckbeer** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:00 pm

emunney wrote:It is the Trailblazers though.

What about this?

Jrue Holiday Triple-Double Game 5 Highlights vs Warriors 2018 Playoffs WCSF - 27 Pts, 11 Ast 10 Reb

Watch on YouTube

randy84 · Post #1036 » by **randy84** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:00 pm

JayMKE wrote:It comes down to whether or not Jrue can get it done in the playoffs, we don't know how much of an upgrade he is yet over Bledsoe. Bledsoe was All-NBA defensive player in the regular season, he's not a sieve but when the playoffs start it all falls apart. It's not just that Bled is ice cold shooting, he starts missing FTs, making dumbass turnovers, and most embarrassingly starts getting torched on defense so hopefully Jrue is a lot mentally stronger. Bledsoe has always been a very quiet emotional guy so maybe he just can't deal with the pressure of what he's expected to contribute in the playoffs.

It's a lot of ****ing picks, I wonder what the other potential big deals could have looked like...

Obviously George Hill and #24 could've netted us Schroder.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1037 » by **coolhandluke121** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:24 pm

How about the series where Bledsoe average 19.3/4/5.3/2 on 60% ts in under 28 mpg, with a better net rating than Giannis or Khris? Or the series where Jrue shot 37% from the field and 25% from behind the arc?

I can pick cherries as well as the next guy!

fansinceforever · Post #1038 » by **fansinceforever** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:20 pm

TroyD92 wrote:They better be 100% sure Giannis is resigning or I might be done following this team..

There will be no reason to follow and definitely not to watch if Giannis leaves. They better have an extremely high level of confidence to even consider making that move.

We'll see.

Pachinko_ · Post #1039 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:I always thought of Jrue as a smaller Kawhi

That Jrue/Craig/DDV/Giannis line up with Khris or Brook (depending on matchups) can really shut down teams if needed.

Any particular reason? It seems odd, because Kawhi's is FAR more productive and more efficient - in addition to be amazing defensively.

I'm not sure... probably the style of play and the fact that they're good at everything

Post #1040 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:28 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:I always thought of Jrue as a smaller Kawhi

That Jrue/Craig/DDV/Giannis line up with Khris or Brook (depending on matchups) can really shut down teams if needed.

Any particular reason? It seems odd, because Kawhi's is FAR more productive and more efficient - in addition to be amazing defensively.

I'm not sure... probably the style of play and the fact that they're good at everything

There's really no similarities in their games, and one is phenominal, while the other is good. And put on a shirt, jeez.