2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[msiris]

I feel that Dunn is a bad fit with Giannis.Easy to defend. Spacing would
be tough.

[MickeyDavis]

Little Cleo last posted his draft tiers in 2018

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[Ron Swanson]

As long as you have a good catch and shoot guy at the 2-guard spot (whether that's AJ Green, Pat, or a free agent/trade acquisition), a Dame/Middleton/Dunn/Giannis small-ball lineup will be fine spacing wise. That's the whole point of putting Giannis at Center. Teams can't just "build the wall" anymore now that you don't have Bledsoe or Jrue mucking up your guard spacing.

[Badgerlander]

Not tgat I’m looking to emulate Dallas but how many non-shooters did they surround Luka with? Luka’s best game he tore up the paint and went 0-8 from 3. We happen to have two pretty good volume shooters in Dame and Khris. Dunn is a freak athlete, sets good screens, and can attack closeouts.

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[msiris]

Not tgat I’m looking to emulate Dallas but how many non-shooters did they surround Luka with? Luka’s best game he tore up the paint and went 0-8 from 3. We happen to have two pretty good volume shooters in Dame and Khris. Dunn is a freak athlete, sets good screens, and can attack closeouts.

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The last time I checked Dallas didn't win the chip and it wasn't even close. Should be looking at Boston.

[machu46]

Not tgat I’m looking to emulate Dallas but how many non-shooters did they surround Luka with? Luka’s best game he tore up the paint and went 0-8 from 3. We happen to have two pretty good volume shooters in Dame and Khris. Dunn is a freak athlete, sets good screens, and can attack closeouts.

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Dunn is a good enough defensive prospect that I'm willing to give it a shot, but I feel like we've heard the same thing about "he makes up for his horrific shooting by being a good cutter" about a million prospects and they basically all turn out to be zeroes/negatives offensively. AJJ was one of those guys too with the only bonus being that he showed some nice passing ability on the ball at UConn. Then he got to Milwaukee and was almost exclusively relegated to the PJ Tucker role offensively.

Even if we assume Dunn ends up being the most prolific cutter in the NBA for a non-center, you're talking about 1-2 FGA per game doing that. His ability to attack closeouts will be wasted if defenses don't bother closing out on him in the first place and there's no real indication that he'll ever be more than a dreadful shooter. Miracles happen with guys learning how to shoot sometimes, but the fact that his mechanics are okay (though I do think his lower body could use some significant work) and he's still a pathetic shooter both from distance and the free throw line makes it really hard to believe he'll be the outlier.

He'll likely need to be an All-Defense guy to have any chance of being more than an end of bench guy in the NBA and fortunately for him, he does have the potential to be that level of defender.

[Badgerlander]

Not tgat I’m looking to emulate Dallas but how many non-shooters did they surround Luka with? Luka’s best game he tore up the paint and went 0-8 from 3. We happen to have two pretty good volume shooters in Dame and Khris. Dunn is a freak athlete, sets good screens, and can attack closeouts.

The last time I checked Dallas didn't win the chip and it wasn't even close. Should be looking at Boston.

Which is exactly why i want to draft a generational wing defender

[Badgerlander]

Dunn is a good enough defensive prospect that I'm willing to give it a shot, but I feel like we've heard the same thing about "he makes up for his horrific shooting by being a good cutter" about a million prospects and they basically all turn out to be zeroes/negatives offensively. AJJ was one of those guys too with the only bonus being that he showed some nice passing ability on the ball at UConn. Then he got to Milwaukee and was almost exclusively relegated to the PJ Tucker role offensively.

Even if we assume Dunn ends up being the most prolific cutter in the NBA for a non-center, you're talking about 1-2 FGA per game doing that. His ability to attack closeouts will be wasted if defenses don't bother closing out on him in the first place and there's no real indication that he'll ever be more than a dreadful shooter. Miracles happen with guys learning how to shoot sometimes, but the fact that his mechanics are okay (though I do think his lower body could use some significant work) and he's still a pathetic shooter both from distance and the free throw line makes it really hard to believe he'll be the outlier.

He'll likely need to be an All-Defense guy to have any chance of being more than an end of bench guy in the NBA and fortunately for him, he does have the potential to be that level of defender.

So play Dunn as a small ball center next to Giannis and alternate them as screen and roller with the other in the dunker spot and we’ve got the new lob city

[Ron Swanson]

Nobody's really banking on him developing a legit 3PT shot though. It's just a bonus if he does. The point is that you're taking an already freakishly impactful and versatile defensive player that you can basically plug anywhere. This isn't like drafting Edey or plugging a big non-spacing plodder next to Giannis (both ideas that have been thrown around here) and thinking it'll work. Not all non-shooters present the same kind of spacing issues.

[machu46]

Nobody's really banking on him developing a legit 3PT shot though. It's just a bonus if he does. The point is that you're taking an already freakishly impactful and versatile defensive player that you can basically plug anywhere. This isn't like drafting Edey or plugging a big non-spacing plodder next to Giannis (both ideas that have been thrown around here) and thinking it'll work. Not all non-shooters present the same kind of spacing issues.

I agree that those two situations are nothing alike but I’m not confident the Dunn scenario is better.

With Edey, you’re getting offense, rebounding, and potentially good defense. With Dunn, you’re getting defense (hopefully elite) and praying that makes up for everything else he takes off the board.


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[M-C-G]

Nobody's really banking on him developing a legit 3PT shot though. It's just a bonus if he does. The point is that you're taking an already freakishly impactful and versatile defensive player that you can basically plug anywhere. This isn't like drafting Edey or plugging a big non-spacing plodder next to Giannis (both ideas that have been thrown around here) and thinking it'll work. Not all non-shooters present the same kind of spacing issues.

I agree that those two situations are nothing alike but I’m not confident the Dunn scenario is better.

With Edey, you’re getting offense, rebounding, and potentially good defense. With Dunn, you’re getting defense (hopefully elite) and praying that makes up for everything else he takes off the board.


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At some point we need to accept we don’t have guys on this roster that can defend or lock down guys in the playoffs. For a late first, get the elite defender to add and figure out how he works on offense later. I saw enough with AJJ to know there is a way to get him on the court as a net positive.

[FrieAaron]

At some point we need to accept we don’t have guys on this roster that can defend or lock down guys in the playoffs. For a late first, get the elite defender to add and figure out how he works on offense later. I saw enough with AJJ to know there is a way to get him on the court as a net positive.

Helped a lot that AJJ also actually shot 37% from three last year, unexpectedly. Of course he also came in as a significantly better shooter than Dunn, even if it wasn't his forte. Any of these guys are going to have question marks, though. If Dunn were a 75% FT shooter he'd be a lottery pick.

[M-C-G]

At some point we need to accept we don’t have guys on this roster that can defend or lock down guys in the playoffs. For a late first, get the elite defender to add and figure out how he works on offense later. I saw enough with AJJ to know there is a way to get him on the court as a net positive.

Helped a lot that AJJ also actually shot 37% from three last year, unexpectedly. Of course he also came in as a significantly better shooter than Dunn, even if it wasn't his forte. Any of these guys are going to have question marks, though. If Dunn were a 75% FT shooter he'd be a lottery pick.

2.9 attempts per36 minutes. Let’s not kid ourselves.

And I LOVE AJJ BUT Dunn is a better defender. Like you said if he could shoot he’d be a lottery pick, lets roll the dice, solve our biggest need and see what happens

[ShootingtheJ]

Dunn has admitted that his shooting issues are mental. He looked kind of a normal shooter as a freshman.

[drone3]

The way to make up for a lack of 3pt shooting is to grab Oboards. If Dunn has a nose for the O Boards and increases our second chance points Dame, AJ & Midds will take it home

[emunney]

We shouldn't be modeling ourselves on any other team. We have Giannis and they don't. Think critically on how to make the best of it.

[JonHeist]

I think it's more likely Edey shoots 40% on corner 3s than Dunn shoots 35%

[emunney]

My biggest concern with Edey isn't "how will he defend in space?" It's "how will he change ends?" He almost has to shoot 30 footers above the break just so he has a head start. The team that drafts him is going to have to be ready to get run on when he's down low.

[German Athens]

My biggest concern with Edey isn't "how will he defend in space?" It's "how will he change ends?" He almost has to shoot 30 footers above the break just so he has a head start. The team that drafts him is going to have to be ready to get run on when he's down low.

Yeah, we’ve seen this to varying degrees with brook over the years. Many have bemoaned not using brook on the low block because he’s a skilled big, but often when he missed a shot down there, it felt like a live ball turnover.

[fam3381]

My biggest concern with Edey isn't "how will he defend in space?" It's "how will he change ends?" He almost has to shoot 30 footers above the break just so he has a head start. The team that drafts him is going to have to be ready to get run on when he's down low.

I also think we've seen with Brook that even if your big has legit inside/out skills that if they're slow and don't pass they can gum up the offense to an extent (his offensive on/off has been near zero/slight negative for years now). As well as Brook shoots it, teams aren't face-guarding him 25 feet from the hoop either. I'm not sold that a more athletic/rolling big type makes the Bucks better offensively given where Giannis likes to play, but I'm kinda curious what it would look like given we haven't really seen it since before Bud was here (Plums???).