Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[emunney]

Dame splitting part of a play off share is basically the same as me doling out +1s, its a way both of us say keep'em (mopped up floors, good posts, what have you) coming.

The joy is in the giving (+1s).imo

As someone who's mopped some floor, allow me to just say it is an honor that the floor (my readers) is willing to indulge itself in being mopped (lectured and dazzled) by me (the mop)

[raferfenix]

Larry Nance + Keon Ellis as the return for Bobby?

Contracts aren’t exact but a minimum away from fitting if we can get creative there.

Not sure what Atlanta needs for Nance is one question. Idea is Kings make up that value difference in addition to Trey Lyle’s ending contract…but they don’t have seconds to trade is complexity.

Marc Stein and Fischer say Hawks don’t want to trade him which could be real enough if Capela is finally getting dealt.

Just read this on Lance which listed the Bucks as a likely team he’d go to that got me thinking about him again:

I don't totally understand what's happening in Atlanta with Nance. He started the season hurt but came back after the first week and played well in nine games. He's never been a guy whose presence pops on the stat sheet, but he's averaging 8.7 points, 2.6 rebounds and 1.4 assists in about 16 minutes per night. More than that, though, everywhere Nance goes, his team gets better when he's on the court. Every season of his career outside of last year, from 2015-16 onward, Nance's teams have both been better on offense and better on defense when he's been on the court. Even last year, when the Pelicans morphed into a powerhouse that finished fifth in the league in net rating from Dec. 28 through the rest of the year, New Orleans was still better with him out there on both ends. Why does this happen? It's because he's the perfect low-usage player. Nance does everything well except create his own shot. He's a semi-real shooter now, having hit 37 percent from 3 since 2019-20. He passes well and makes quick decisions. The ball never sticks in his hands. He finishes efficiently around the rim and picks his spots well. On defense, he's constantly in the right position, rotates exceptionally well and is always available for his teammates.

The best part for Nance is that he makes about $11.2 million and is on an expiring contract. Given that he's not in the rotation, it's pretty easy to see other organizations driving a hard bargain and not necessarily giving up a ton of assets for him. But a significant number of organizations might get involved here because they think Nance could help in a late-season push with frontcourt depth. The top two teams that come to mind are the Cavaliers and Bucks, both of whom need an influx of smart defensive play off the bench.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5967281/2024/12/17/nba-trade-board-jimmy-butler-zach-lavine-cam-johnson/

[drone3]

Would be stoked with Nance but really doubt the Hawks would trade him to either us or the Cavs

[soxperry]

Would be stoked with Nance but really doubt the Hawks would trade him to either us or the Cavs

Lol yeah it may hurt their title chances (snickers)

[raferfenix]

The Kings being such a bad vibes mess makes me think Bobby could be that much more attractive.

Brings some championship swagger to a locker room ready to give up and a fan favorite at a time when the stadium is filling up with boo birds.

But most importantly:

Trading Keon Ellis is radically different than a future first from this of all teams.

Idk if Sacramento is giving up any more of their limited draft capital for this crew.

[Daver]

The Kings being such a bad vibes mess makes me think Bobby could be that much more attractive.

Brings some championship swagger to a locker room ready to give up and a fan favorite at a time when the stadium is filling up with boo birds.

But most importantly:

Trading Keon Ellis is radically different than a future first from this of all teams.

Idk if Sacramento is giving up any more of their limited draft capital for this crew.

Please tell ne what keon ellis brings to the table minus the scoring n rebounding that portis doesnt or is the fact you just wznt nobby gone n dont care what sh.. you get back for him

[raferfenix]

Would be stoked with Nance but really doubt the Hawks would trade him to either us or the Cavs

Lol yeah it may hurt their title chances (snickers)

Main thing they’ll want to do is develop their young guys and chemistry with Trae for the long haul.

Hawks are 15-15 they could make the playoffs which would help there too.

If Nance contributes to that project it could be more important to them than a second or two.

Whether or not they’re actually dealing Capela is the big question there. With all the teams in need of 5’s I could see them getting something better than expected for him, but on the other hand, if they want to keep rolling this year getting a pick and filler for Clint certainly wouldn’t help.

[raferfenix]

Please tell ne what keon ellis brings to the table minus the scoring n rebounding that portis doesnt or is the fact you just wznt nobby gone n dont care what sh.. you get back for him

Bobby playing so well and Keon falling out of the rotation makes this a legitimate question!

What else we’d need in addition to Ellis too.

That said: I’m in to Keon to inject another big dose of defensive intensity onto the perimeter who can generate turnovers.

He’s got the size to shift Khris and Prince much more to the 4 as well. I do think we’d need another big but opening up Bobby’s mins would let us bring in a better defender into that slot, and I think his offense matters less with Middleton around even some of the time.

Keon also has a very cheap deal for another few seasons with bird rights. Bobby might require $80M over 4 to keep him here in contrast.

[soxperry]

Nance is interesting

Cleaning the glass categorizes him as a big. So he's 6'8" but being compared to much larger players. Over the past few years, ignoring the extremely small sample chunks, he has really bad block rates, elite steal percentage (his entire career), above average foul rate (meaning he fouls less), and average to slightly above average rebounding rates.

So they key here, imo, is that this is all in comparison to bigs. Of course he will be worse at blocking shots than 7 footers. Of course he will be better at stealing than 7 footers. But the rebounding, that says something.

His offensive numbers are excellent on low usage. Very good points per shot attempt and assist percentage. Weirdly, he alternates being terrible and being great at turning the ball over every other season ??

Bball index has him as an elite mobile big defender the past three seasons but does not like his offense whatsoever.

If he can defend wings, i would say he should be on our radar.

[soxperry]

Keon Ellis is a 6'5"-6" point of attack defender with elite point of attack defense and he can hit 3 pointers. He does seem to foul too much and he's not a good defensive rebounder at all, but his block rate is the top for his role and he's top 5% in stl percentage.

Bball index has him rated as the third best point of attack defender this season, over names like Suggs, McDaniels, Daniels and Dort.

So if i'm getting all this correctly, he's like Jevon Carter but much taller and much better at defending?

AND, this guy wasn't drafted. So they are playing with house money with him.

SMASH SMASH SMASH SMASH SMASH

Bye Bob

[Mtsportsfan]

All this talk of trading Portis boggles my mind! I get it, there are times he is a black hole, doesn't play the greatest defense. But what he does do is give the team secondary scoring, rebounds and just as important is team chemistry! I don't know the locker room but it seems that his teammates love him!
The other thing are that to me are so stupid, trading Bobby for a guard , which we have plenty of! Seriously Bobby for Donte, really! Where would our front court depth be without Portis. What would it be like if god forbid Giannis or Brooks go down, could Donate or similar player play center or PF! I actually would like to add front court depth without giving up Portis! Plus by NBA standards Bobby doesn't make that much money for what he brings to the table.

[Bernman]

Not a role player, better on the bench, better or the same w/out him.

Read on Twitter

[raferfenix]

Keon Ellis is a 6'5"-6" point of attack defender with elite point of attack defense and he can hit 3 pointers.

Would the Bucks trade our 2031 first, if only protected?

Or what else would we need in return to make it worth it? Backup big/wing, some seconds, or a swap/ second swap for a first?

Sacramento might not want to trade any of their other picks in their situation is idea.

This way the Kings could use our first to get Kuzma or whoever.

MarJon or Pat are salary that goes out for Keon+ on our end. Bucks keep Bobby but lose control of 2031.

[BigO]

All this talk of trading Portis boggles my mind! I get it, there are times he is a black hole, doesn't play the greatest defense. But what he does do is give the team secondary scoring, rebounds and just as important is team chemistry! I don't know the locker room but it seems that his teammates love him!
The other thing are that to me are so stupid, trading Bobby for a guard , which we have plenty of! Seriously Bobby for Donte, really! Where would our front court depth be without Portis. What would it be like if god forbid Giannis or Brooks go down, could Donate or similar player play center or PF! I actually would like to add front court depth without giving up Portis! Plus by NBA standards Bobby doesn't make that much money for what he brings to the table.

Great post. The anti BP mob has been quiet for the last few weeks, just itching for the moment they can pounce. Their time will come and the release they feel will be awesome.

Almost every player has flaws. BP is not a great rim protector, which the Bucks could use, but so could most teams. I don't even agree with the "black hole" reference you make. BP's post-ups are almost always called for by the coaching staff. They want him to do that.

If you notice, BP's assists have gone up. Teams are double teaming him and he's making them pay. How many guys on the Bucks, other than Dame and Giannis, do other teams double? None.

Having skilled scorers, especially bigs, is a need for almost every team and the Bucks have that in BP. Trading him better result in a really quality player.

[soxperry]

All this talk of trading Portis boggles my mind! I get it, there are times he is a black hole, doesn't play the greatest defense. But what he does do is give the team secondary scoring, rebounds and just as important is team chemistry! I don't know the locker room but it seems that his teammates love him!
The other thing are that to me are so stupid, trading Bobby for a guard , which we have plenty of! Seriously Bobby for Donte, really! Where would our front court depth be without Portis. What would it be like if god forbid Giannis or Brooks go down, could Donate or similar player play center or PF! I actually would like to add front court depth without giving up Portis! Plus by NBA standards Bobby doesn't make that much money for what he brings to the table.

Bobby for a guard wouldn't be the only move.

To understand why you start with that move, though, you need to agree that being able to beat Boston or Cleveland in a 7 game series is the goal. If that's not your goal, we will never agree.

If you agree, then Bobby becomes a liability in those series. We dont need his offense with Giannis and Dame playing close to 40 min and Khris playing around 32. What we do need is a switchable defender who has as balanced of a game as possible. Nance could be that guy, but there are probably others.

We also need point of attack defense that doesn't absolutely destroy our offense. At this time, Andre doesn't qualify. AJ Green isn't stopping or even slowing down the Cleveland guards. Trent has been better on both ends as of late but he's going up against other backups, primarily. Ellis offers absolutely elite point of attack defense and hits 40% of his 3s on 3 per game across the past two seasons. Defenders can't sag off of him. Everyone sees the value Dyson Daniels brings to Atlanta and that guy is a worse shooter than Andre. Ellis is a superior POA defender to Andre, right now, and can shoot.

Neither of these moves should require spending a 1st round pick. That's the value of involving Bobby, a guy who is due for a contract extension that we probably dont want to pay for.

[soxperry]

Keon Ellis is a 6'5"-6" point of attack defender with elite point of attack defense and he can hit 3 pointers.

Would the Bucks trade our 2031 first, if only protected?

Or what else would we need in return to make it worth it? Backup big/wing, some seconds, or a swap/ second swap for a first?

Sacramento might not want to trade any of their other picks in their situation is idea.

This way the Kings could use our first to get Kuzma or whoever.

MarJon or Pat are salary that goes out for Keon+ on our end. Bucks keep Bobby but lose control of 2031.

I have no clue how much Keon is worth. But i would not spend an unprotected 31 1st on him. I would also not trade that pick unless it were unprotected to maximize it's value. It's kind of worthless with protections.

[crowhead76]

Bucks in: Keon Ellis, Moussa Diabate
Hornets in: Pat, Umude, Bucks 2031 2nd round pick, Kings 2027 2nd round pick
Kings in: Nick Richards, Marjon Beauchamp, Livingston

[soxperry]

sorry for spamming, but i want to sum up the Bobby thing with something very to the point: Usage.

Bobby's usage has always been very high. Yet his points per shot attempt is well below league average. Nance usage is extremely low, yet points per shot attempt nearing elite levels over the past few seasons. Nance just fits our trio so much better, offensively, and the added defense is icing on the cake.

[buckboy]

Some sort of three way with Portland where we turn Khris, young players and our ‘31 first into Grant and Timelord.

Good lord.

Pass.

I don't get why people would trade anything of real value for Williams. He is ALWAYS hurt. More than Khris seemingly.

[jakecronus8]

So Keon Ellis is our new Jeremy Lamb?