Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

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I'd be happy with Bolmaro.

He just re-upped with Barca. He apparently has built-in NBA outs, but still very likely at least a one year stash.

[LuessiT]

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Might be in the minority but I'd snatch him right up with #24 and feel like we robbed a bank.

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Might be in the minority but I'd snatch him right up with #24 and feel like we robbed a bank.

I'm definitely with you. Criminally underrated by mainstream draft dudes like Vecenie. He'll need a season of Suki to get him closer to 200-ish, but think he could have a similar impact to Trent in PDX in time.

[ReasonablySober]

Might be in the minority but I'd snatch him right up with #24 and feel like we robbed a bank.

I'm definitely with you. Criminally underrated by mainstream draft dudes like Vecenie. He'll need a season of Suki to get him closer to 200-ish, but think he could have a similar impact to Trent in PDX in time.

The guy who shot 36% from the field this year? One to one Ast to TO?

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Might be in the minority but I'd snatch him right up with #24 and feel like we robbed a bank.

I'm definitely with you. Criminally underrated by mainstream draft dudes like Vecenie. He'll need a season of Suki to get him closer to 200-ish, but think he could have a similar impact to Trent in PDX in time.

The guy who shot 36% from the field this year? One to one Ast to TO?

What about the previous season when he wasn't playing injured?

How many Razorbacks games have you watched? He is actually a decent passer, sees the floor well, he is just the driving force of their offense along with Mason Jones, both very iso-heavy.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm definitely with you. Criminally underrated by mainstream draft dudes like Vecenie. He'll need a season of Suki to get him closer to 200-ish, but think he could have a similar impact to Trent in PDX in time.

The guy who shot 36% from the field this year? One to one Ast to TO?

What about the previous season when he wasn't playing injured?

How many Razorbacks games have you watched? He is actually a decent passer, sees the floor well, he is just the driving force of their offense along with Mason Jones, both very iso-heavy.

So...41%?

Don't feel like I need to watch a lot of him to know those are bad numbers.

[RiotPunch]

The guy who shot 36% from the field this year? One to one Ast to TO?

What about the previous season when he wasn't playing injured?

How many Razorbacks games have you watched? He is actually a decent passer, sees the floor well, he is just the driving force of their offense along with Mason Jones, both very iso-heavy.

So...41%?

Don't feel like I need to watch a lot of him to know those are bad numbers.

41% from 3 on 8 attempts is bad?

Trent was 40% on 6.5 attempts at Duke.

Herro was 35% on 4.6 attempts.

Duncan Robinson was 38% on 5 attempts as a junior.

They are all pure shooters who can get hot.

[tski1972]

What about the previous season when he wasn't playing injured?

How many Razorbacks games have you watched? He is actually a decent passer, sees the floor well, he is just the driving force of their offense along with Mason Jones, both very iso-heavy.

So...41%?

Don't feel like I need to watch a lot of him to know those are bad numbers.

41% from 3 on 8 attempts is bad?

Trent was 40% on 6.5 attempts at Duke.

His overall FG% is lower than his 3pt%.... a bit alarming.

[RiotPunch]

Here's a good write-up for those who have never watched Isaiah Joe play basketball.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/38043938

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So...41%?

Don't feel like I need to watch a lot of him to know those are bad numbers.

41% from 3 on 8 attempts is bad?

Trent was 40% on 6.5 attempts at Duke.

His overall FG% is lower than his 3pt%.... a bit alarming.

Most of his (career 2.8 per game) two-point attempts come at the rim, where he does struggle at his current weight/strength level. He is a very natural shooter off the catch and off the dribble. With improved shot selection and strength/weight training, he should be a solid two-way wing with shooting gravity.

[machu46]

41% from 3 on 8 attempts is bad?

Trent was 40% on 6.5 attempts at Duke.

His overall FG% is lower than his 3pt%.... a bit alarming.

Most of his (career 2.5 per game) two-point attempts come at the rim, where he does struggle at his current weight/strength level. He is a very natural shooter off the catch and off the dribble. With improved shot selection and strength/weight training, he should be a solid two-way wing with shooting gravity.

According to Hoop-Math.com:

2018: 8.1% of his shots were at the rim, 15.6% mid-range, 76.3% 3 pointers
2019: 6.1% of his shots were at the rim, 17.3% mid range, 76.6% 3 pointers

I can't really speak to his game with any confidence, but the numbers certainly seem to suggest he has one hell of a time trying to get to the rim.

If he's a good defender, seems like he could be a decent 3nD option for us, and we could certainly use some of that. Not sure that's necessarily my top priority though.

[RiotPunch]

His overall FG% is lower than his 3pt%.... a bit alarming.

Most of his (career 2.5 per game) two-point attempts come at the rim, where he does struggle at his current weight/strength level. He is a very natural shooter off the catch and off the dribble. With improved shot selection and strength/weight training, he should be a solid two-way wing with shooting gravity.

According to Hoop-Math.com:

2018: 8.1% of his shots were at the rim, 15.6% mid-range, 76.3% 3 pointers
2019: 6.1% of his shots were at the rim, 17.3% mid range, 76.6% 3 pointers

I can't really speak to his game with any confidence, but the numbers certainly seem to suggest he has one hell of a time trying to get to the rim.

If he's a good defender, seems like he could be a decent 3nD option for us, and we could certainly use some of that. Not sure that's necessarily my top priority though.

Should have phrased better, but yeah he just lacks the strength to get to the rim consistently leading to too many poor 2-pt looks. He's so damn skinny. If his frame doesn't allow him to get to at least the 200 lb ballpark, it would be tough to draft him. I'm optimistic that he can, but sports science isn't my wheelhouse. His defense depends on him getting stronger just as much as his finishing on offense.

[LuessiT]

Most of his (career 2.5 per game) two-point attempts come at the rim, where he does struggle at his current weight/strength level. He is a very natural shooter off the catch and off the dribble. With improved shot selection and strength/weight training, he should be a solid two-way wing with shooting gravity.

According to Hoop-Math.com:

2018: 8.1% of his shots were at the rim, 15.6% mid-range, 76.3% 3 pointers
2019: 6.1% of his shots were at the rim, 17.3% mid range, 76.6% 3 pointers

I can't really speak to his game with any confidence, but the numbers certainly seem to suggest he has one hell of a time trying to get to the rim.

If he's a good defender, seems like he could be a decent 3nD option for us, and we could certainly use some of that. Not sure that's necessarily my top priority though.

Should have phrased better, but yeah he just lacks the strength to get to the rim consistently leading to too many poor 2-pt looks. He's so damn skinny. If his frame doesn't allow him to get to at least the 200 lb ballpark, it would be tough to draft him. I'm optimistic that he can, but sports science isn't my wheelhouse. His defense depends on him getting stronger just as much as his finishing on offense.

Honestly I don't think that driving will be a big part of his game in the NBA. He's a volume shooter first and foremost. If he can attack closeouts that's a bonus but I don't need that to see him as a value pick @ #24.

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Agreed, but he still needs to add weight so he's not pushed off his spots or manhandled on defense. It's really his off-dribble game that makes his ceiling rather high though.

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THE TALE OF TWO (VERY DIFFERENT) SEASONS

Isaiah Joe walked into Fayetteville as the nation’s 28th-best shooting guard. The four-star recruit entered a Razorback team anchored by future NBA draft pick in Daniel Gafford. With a dominant big man, coach Mike Anderson opted to flow Arkansas’ offense from inside out. A newcomer to the SEC, Isaiah Joe benefited from an array of open looks during his first season. As a freshman, Joe shot an impressive 41% on 8 three pointers per game including a 10 three pointer game against Florida International that immediately put him on the NBA map. But understanding how it came about is significant. With Gafford at center, much of the defense shifted inside. Leaving wide open shooting lanes for Joe to take advantage of. Take a look here at how this played out for Arkansas.

Fast forward to his sophomore year. With Gafford now out of the picture, Joe turned into a significant target for defenses. As a result, his three point shooting cratered. Defenses now keen on stopping Joe made life extensively harder in the perimeter. Here is how it looked during his second season.

With a larger bullseye Joe’s shooting efficiency plummeted and while Arkansas enjoyed modest team success, it was much harder to find the player that burst into the scenes in 2018. Even still, Isaiah Joe left a considerable mark including a 26 point outburst against Georgia weeks after sustaining a significant knee injury (one that would require surgery at season’s end). Joe’s focus now shifts to the NBA draft. Where he must show to be much closer to the player we saw two seasons ago.

STRENGTHS

Significant shooting range. Comfortable pulling up well beyond the three point line both in the half court and in transition.
Quick to establish balance. Can retrieve a poor pass and set feet in compacted spaces.
Comfortable shooting off one dribble. Uses subtle step back to gain space when facing tight ball defense.
Leverages the attention as shooter to slip subtle passes behind the defense.
Aware space defender. Long athlete. Moves well laterally. Above average reaction skills.

WEAKNESSES

Thin frame limits impact as a switchable defender and scorer near the rim.
Not a dynamic ball handler. Settles for contested floaters. Low level shot creator off dribble drive action.
Rarely used off screens and dribble hand-offs.
Can get trigger happy. Attempts to shoot himself back into games with a poor shot selection.
Impacted by speed of play of strong SEC teams. Shot a combined 6-27 from deep vs Kentucky and LSU.

STAT NUGGETS

40% true shooting percentage against Top 50 teams last season (54% TS on the year)
1 of 7 players to make 200+ three pointers over the last two seasons (207 total)
Per Synergy scored 0.984 points per spot up possession last season (70th percentile)
Led SEC in three point field goal percentage in 2018-2019 (41%)
89% free throw shooter last year (75% during freshman season)

[Ruzious]

Joe reminds me of Jerome Robinson - who went way too high (13th) in the 2018 draft. He'll probably play in the NBA, but it's easy to find players like him in the G League, imo. Joe's probably a slightly better shooter while also being a little skinnier.

[Ron Swanson]

I think it's easy to get caught up in this idea that surrounding Giannis with like, 4 Joe Harris' is this recipe for success, but looking at the way teams like Boston, Miami, and Toronto have built their wing rotations with big, athletic defender types makes me incredibly risk-averse to these one-dimensional shooter prospects. My philosophy has always been that it's easier to teach a guy how to shoot than it is to teach a guy how to be an athletic defender.

[Ruzious]

I think it's easy to get caught up in this idea that surrounding Giannis with like, 4 Joe Harris' is this recipe for success, but looking at the way teams like Boston, Miami, and Toronto have built their wing rotations with big, athletic defender types makes me incredibly risk-averse to these one-dimensional shooter prospects. My philosophy has always been that it's easier to teach a guy how to shoot than it is to teach a guy how to be an athletic defender.

I'm thinking Jalen Smith gives some of each - he's got a 3 point shot, and he's a relatively athletic defender. But he isn't great at any one thing. He's in the Serge Ibaka mold but at a bit lower level. He's a role player, and we need that kind of role player. Is he going to be a star? No.

[emunney]

Joe reminds me of Jerome Robinson - who went way too high (13th) in the 2018 draft. He'll probably play in the NBA, but it's easy to find players like him in the G League, imo. Joe's probably a slightly better shooter while also being a little skinnier.

I've been impressed by Joe's defense, so that's one place the comparison fails for me.