Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[chonestown]

I could have been a top tier GM , top tier GMs usually track and get the players I want. If I was responsible for Drafting, and the 10-15 roster spots ... I would quickly in a spam of 2 years become the best assistant GM and eventually the best GM out there. I honestly became smarter and better due posting on realgm , honestly. Arguing and learning others point of view makes u a better gm. It also helps your trading skills, knowing what others GM like on a player and sell them a player u have with their tendencies.

Iron sharpens iron and its why I am the poster I am (second best to daver.imo) but you know who also sharpened their executive skills via real gm dot com its john horts

Around that time, Dumars and Hammond had entrusted Horst with mastering RealGM’s software, a nascent tool for toying with trade proposals. Horst dove headlong into it. Whenever Hammond and Dumars would brainstorm potential deals in Dumars’ office, the Pistons legend would summon his 24-year-old newbie with a loud, “Hey, Horst!” Horst would hustle around the corner, then back to his desk, then back to Dumars with a “yay” or “nay” on whether the concocted trade satisfied the CBA’s convoluted conditions. After a while, if the answer was no, Horst would bring suggestions of his own, variations on what Dumars and Hammond had drawn up that were viable.

1) hammonds and horts grinding via real gm dot gm you love too see it

2) case clothed

[JRoy]

What's Thon Maker up to?

About 6 foot 12.

[RiotPunch]

Why would Portland have any interest in moving Camara? He's starting for them and is pretty much the exact kind of player that any rebuilding team wants (young, already good role player on a cheap rookie contract). If we're going back to the Portland well, then I think something around Khris for Jerami Grant and Duop Reath is the only thing that makes sense. Would depend on whether we can get a 3rd team involved to send Portland some draft assets for Khris, or whether they think they can flip Khris for that seperately like they did with Jrue.

I understand you have to send more to teams that don’t want to actually trade their guys and aren’t up against the clock in any way, but I’d find it hard to believe a team offers something like two firsts for him, and Portland just says nah.

Everyone has a price, it’s about seeing if we have anything that could pry him free that’s hopefully below two firsts.

Camara is probably a good rotational piece on a contender, but he has limited upside beyond that - he’s in his second season, and he’ll be 25 at the end of it. For a team that hasn’t figured out if they have a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option on a contender on their roster, I don’t think I’d overly hang on to guys so much farther down the pecking order if the right deal came around.

It’s certainly worth exploring from our end.

It would have to net them a 1st for them to consider it, I agree.

Should they be looking to move him? Absolutely not. But they need top-end talent, and 1sts are the avenue to take swings for them. Camara is shaping up to be an elite role player and strong 2-way guy, but as mentioned is turning 25 soon and is likely pretty close to his ceiling.

Grant doesn't do much for me, but a playable wing would be nice.

[German Athens]

Indiana is looking for a backup big since Isaiah Jackson and Wisemen both tore their Achilles.

Bobby+ for Nesmith?

Bobby for Isaiah Jackson and someone else who can play this year?

Acquiring Jackson could potentially be a savvy long term play, but I know Indiana really likes him. I’m guessing they wouldn’t be interested in either, and I doubt the bucks would be interested in the latter, but I sure would be.

[German Athens]

Mke: Camara, Robbert Williams, ‘25 Sac 1st
Sac: Bobby
Por: Lyles, Pat, ‘31 Mke 1st
4th team: Marjon, ‘31 Mke 2nd

Or

Mke: Camara, Reath, ‘25 Sac 1st
Sac: Bobby
Por: Lyles, ‘31 Mke 1st
4th team: Young dude from us, 2nd - we might be able to just waive Marjon here too, I haven’t really looked into whether that would still work all under the second apron

I’m really not sure about the picks, and how they would need to go.

I think Sacramento has long been an interesting landing spot for Bobby, and he seems to have many fans within that fanbase. Him netting Lyle’s and a 1st seems reasonable. They want to hang onto Keon, and would probably want to do a heurter trade for someone else. There would be a subsection of their fanbase who would probably be pissed that they didn’t bring back the defensive forward in Camara in the deal, but I think Sacramento would likely value Bobby’s reputation. Like us, Sacramento seems like a franchise who values names. The part between us and Sacramento is pretty straight forward.

For Portland, they’re clearly in an asset acquisition mode, but I’m not sure a single first would be enticing enough and two would be absolute overkill. The deal may need to be worked through some more. Camara is very good for them, but he’ll be 25 at the end of the year, and I wonder if they view him a little past the Sharpe, Scoot, Clingan timeline, or if he’s just not part of their core. I’m not sure.

For us, I think either makes plenty of sense. Camara is a very nice defender at the forward spot. We need more energy on this team and he would provide that. He’s a guy who seems himself as a modern 3 or 4. Williams or Reath give us a better defensive, albeit more limited offensive piece, than bobby. Williams is the one that entices me more here, because I can’t help but dream of a scenario where’s literally no drop off defensively when brook comes off the floor. I think Williams is probably a more talented defender, but there’s the clear injury issues.

As a whole, I think these deals are probably a bit too good for us, but I do think something could be figured out.

No thanks from POR.

Camara might end up being the low usage high energy starter every team needs.

I appreciate the perspective.

What if both 1sts got redirected to Portland?

I’m just trying to gauge where the tipping point is.

[Cooleyo47]

The Bucks don't have a talent evaluation problem. They have a development problem. Sam Merrill killing them in two straight games is the perfect example of that.

[crowhead76]

Indiana is looking for a backup big since Isaiah Jackson and Wisemen both tore their Achilles.

Bobby+ for Nesmith?

Bobby for Isaiah Jackson and someone else who can play this year?

Acquiring Jackson could potentially be a savvy long term play, but I know Indiana really likes him. I’m guessing they wouldn’t be interested in either, and I doubt the bucks would be interested in the latter, but I sure would be.

Bobby for Nesmith would be a great trade for the Bucks, Indiana has Mathurin, Walker, Nembhard, and Sheppherd too so it might make sense for them as they have a very deep wing rotation. Nesmith is the dog the Bucks need.

Follow it up with Pat for Paul Reed in a couple weeks when he is eligible to be traded.

[German Athens]

The Bucks don't have a talent evaluation problem. They have a development problem. Sam Merrill killing them in two straight games is the perfect example of that.

Are you saying we didn’t develop Merrill, or that Merrill is an example of us properly identifying a talent?

[Bernman]

Indiana is looking for a backup big since Isaiah Jackson and Wisemen both tore their Achilles.

Bobby+ for Nesmith?

Bobby for Isaiah Jackson and someone else who can play this year?

Acquiring Jackson could potentially be a savvy long term play, but I know Indiana really likes him. I’m guessing they wouldn’t be interested in either, and I doubt the bucks would be interested in the latter, but I sure would be.

You're sort of asking for Bobby revenge games. Look what he did to the Knicks for yrs. Trade him to the west, & to a team who wants him, so we don't have to deal with that. It'd be a less egregious mistake than allowing Jrue to be rerouted to Boston.

[JRoy]

Mke: Camara, Robbert Williams, ‘25 Sac 1st
Sac: Bobby
Por: Lyles, Pat, ‘31 Mke 1st
4th team: Marjon, ‘31 Mke 2nd

Or

Mke: Camara, Reath, ‘25 Sac 1st
Sac: Bobby
Por: Lyles, ‘31 Mke 1st
4th team: Young dude from us, 2nd - we might be able to just waive Marjon here too, I haven’t really looked into whether that would still work all under the second apron

I’m really not sure about the picks, and how they would need to go.

I think Sacramento has long been an interesting landing spot for Bobby, and he seems to have many fans within that fanbase. Him netting Lyle’s and a 1st seems reasonable. They want to hang onto Keon, and would probably want to do a heurter trade for someone else. There would be a subsection of their fanbase who would probably be pissed that they didn’t bring back the defensive forward in Camara in the deal, but I think Sacramento would likely value Bobby’s reputation. Like us, Sacramento seems like a franchise who values names. The part between us and Sacramento is pretty straight forward.

For Portland, they’re clearly in an asset acquisition mode, but I’m not sure a single first would be enticing enough and two would be absolute overkill. The deal may need to be worked through some more. Camara is very good for them, but he’ll be 25 at the end of the year, and I wonder if they view him a little past the Sharpe, Scoot, Clingan timeline, or if he’s just not part of their core. I’m not sure.

For us, I think either makes plenty of sense. Camara is a very nice defender at the forward spot. We need more energy on this team and he would provide that. He’s a guy who seems himself as a modern 3 or 4. Williams or Reath give us a better defensive, albeit more limited offensive piece, than bobby. Williams is the one that entices me more here, because I can’t help but dream of a scenario where’s literally no drop off defensively when brook comes off the floor. I think Williams is probably a more talented defender, but there’s the clear injury issues.

As a whole, I think these deals are probably a bit too good for us, but I do think something could be figured out.

No thanks from POR.

Camara might end up being the low usage high energy starter every team needs.

I appreciate the perspective.

What if both 1sts got redirected to Portland?

I’m just trying to gauge where the tipping point is.

In my opinion there is no way a rebuilding team could say no to 2 FRP, despite liking Camara. That is not saying that I think that would be offered.

Contending teams need a superstar and teams like POR and MIL have to draft their superstars.

[theFireBlanket]

Indiana is looking for a backup big since Isaiah Jackson and Wisemen both tore their Achilles.

Bobby+ for Nesmith?

Bobby for Isaiah Jackson and someone else who can play this year?

Acquiring Jackson could potentially be a savvy long term play, but I know Indiana really likes him. I’m guessing they wouldn’t be interested in either, and I doubt the bucks would be interested in the latter, but I sure would be.

You're sort of asking for Bobby revenge games. Look what he did to the Knicks for yrs. Trade him to the west, & to a team who wants him, so we don't have to deal with that. It'd be a less egregious mistake than allowing Jrue to be rerouted to Boston.

Giannis will light Bobby up. Send him there now.

I've been stuck on that trade since someone else posted it. Genius trade.

Go get Nesmith, Horsty. Fed Ex Expedited.

[theFireBlanket]

Giannis ain't wanna be traded? You liar!

[Badgerlander]

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[Fotis St]

I don't know how this thing stuck in my mind ... but I have a feeling Khris Middleton has silently asked for a trade. This is why he ain't playing and the Bucks are trying to get a deal done. Khris could probably got mad he was going to be dealt for Bradley Beal ... and asked already out. Or as I have said he throws his injury status in order to not get traded.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't know how this thing stuck in my mind ... but I have a feeling Khris Middleton has silently asked for a trade. This is why he ain't playing and the Bucks are trying to get a deal done. Khris could probably got mad he was going to be dealt for Bradley Beal ... and asked already out. Or as I have said he throws his injury status in order to not get traded.

If they trade him (doubtful) it won't be until he's on the court showing he can still play. Sitting on the bench months after 2 surgeries means he has zero trade value currently.

[JonHeist]

The Bucks don't have a talent evaluation problem. They have a development problem. Sam Merrill killing them in two straight games is the perfect example of that.

Are you saying we didn’t develop Merrill, or that Merrill is an example of us properly identifying a talent?

I'm not who you asked, but the answer is both.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think anybody has said or even hinted that Giannis currently wanted out. The story and fear is what happens in a month or two from now when this team is conclusively not going anywhere.

Simply, you trade Dame for younger players that play winning basketball. No more score 1st PGs that can only shoot off the dribble and can't play off ball and don't defend.

Yes, and then you get to crunch time in the playoffs and someone needs to create a shot, not once, but at least 3 to 5 times in the last 2-3 min, and you get guys throwing the ball around in a circle before someone heaves up a turnaround jumper that barely gets rim.

Even if you have Dame, you'd rather give it to Giannis and Khris, as Dame will just get doubled and turn it over

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think anybody has said or even hinted that Giannis currently wanted out. The story and fear is what happens in a month or two from now when this team is conclusively not going anywhere.

Simply, you trade Dame for younger players that play winning basketball. No more score 1st PGs that can only shoot off the dribble and can't play off ball and don't defend.

I would love to know the player you have in mind.

We'd be adding multiple players. A bunch of our favorites. Tari Eason and a bunch of others.

[Wisky4life]

Im ok with trading the entire bench. Blow the bench up now or suffer the whole season.

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[Wisky4life]

I think Giannis and Dame can work. Problem is how do you trade 8 guys mid season.

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