Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[soxperry]

Bucks in: Keon Ellis, Moussa Diabate
Hornets in: Pat, Umude, Bucks 2031 2nd round pick, Kings 2027 2nd round pick
Kings in: Nick Richards, Marjon Beauchamp, Livingston

getting Ellis and Diabate in the same trade is a wet dream but the compensation is very off.

i also just dont see why the Hornets would trade Diabate right now.

[German Athens]

Mke: Keon, Mark Williams, Diabate
Sac: Bobby, Marjon
Cha: Lyles, Robbins, ‘31 1st (light protections)

Mke: Vanderbilt
Det: Livingston
Lal: Pat, ‘31 2nd

We get under the second apron, and we open a roster spot. We wait until later in the season and then promote either Rollins or Diabate to the main roster.


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[raferfenix]

…just as important is team chemistry! I don't know the locker room but it seems that his teammates love him!

I think this goes both ways for Bobby too.

Bucks wouldn’t trade him lightly but also a winning team in need of a consolidation trade like the Warriors as well as a dumpster fire like the Kings might value his influence.

To the scenario at hand, if the Bucks really don’t want to trade Bobby or our first:

Taurean Prince + something else for Keon?

Sacramento brought Jae Crowder off the street and started him until that proved to be hilariously pathetic. Prince has been starting here all year but loses mins with Khris returning much less a Keon acquisition.

[BigO]

All this talk of trading Portis boggles my mind! I get it, there are times he is a black hole, doesn't play the greatest defense. But what he does do is give the team secondary scoring, rebounds and just as important is team chemistry! I don't know the locker room but it seems that his teammates love him!
The other thing are that to me are so stupid, trading Bobby for a guard , which we have plenty of! Seriously Bobby for Donte, really! Where would our front court depth be without Portis. What would it be like if god forbid Giannis or Brooks go down, could Donate or similar player play center or PF! I actually would like to add front court depth without giving up Portis! Plus by NBA standards Bobby doesn't make that much money for what he brings to the table.

Bobby for a guard wouldn't be the only move.

To understand why you start with that move, though, you need to agree that being able to beat Boston or Cleveland in a 7 game series is the goal. If that's not your goal, we will never agree.

If you agree, then Bobby becomes a liability in those series. We dont need his offense with Giannis and Dame playing close to 40 min and Khris playing around 32. What we do need is a switchable defender who has as balanced of a game as possible. Nance could be that guy, but there are probably others.

We also need point of attack defense that doesn't absolutely destroy our offense. At this time, Andre doesn't qualify. AJ Green isn't stopping or even slowing down the Cleveland guards. Trent has been better on both ends as of late but he's going up against other backups, primarily. Ellis offers absolutely elite point of attack defense and hits 40% of his 3s on 3 per game across the past two seasons. Defenders can't sag off of him. Everyone sees the value Dyson Daniels brings to Atlanta and that guy is a worse shooter than Andre. Ellis is a superior POA defender to Andre, right now, and can shoot.

Neither of these moves should require spending a 1st round pick. That's the value of involving Bobby, a guy who is due for a contract extension that we probably dont want to pay for.

I don't agree with your BP analysis about not needing shooting against Boston (or any other team). What makes Boston tough is that they have a ton of shooters. The Bucks don't.

But that debate is for another time. I don't know much about Keon Ellis. From your remarks, he is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. He's supposedly also a good 3 point shooter.

If that's the case, why can't he get off the bench? The Kings problem is defense and they don't play him. Are they just idiots? What are his flaws? He isn't good enough to play on a bad team, but is good enough to start on a championship caliber team?
I'm curious to know.

[bucksfansince88]

We need to trade with Portland again i want Reath and Benton

[raferfenix]

I don't know much about Keon Ellis. From your remarks, he is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. He's supposedly also a good 3 point shooter.

If that's the case, why can't he get off the bench? The Kings problem is defense and they don't play him. Are they just idiots? What are his flaws? He isn't good enough to play on a bad team, but is good enough to start on a championship caliber team?
I'm curious to know.

Skepticism of Keon is warranted because ‘WTF is going on in Sacramento’ is a good question!

Best piece I’ve seen on it is here, which also could bode well for this scenario, as Doc’s defense prioritizes getting turnovers more than others:

One of the biggest mysteries of the Sacramento Kings 2024-25 regular season is why head coach Mike Brown doesn't play Keon Ellis more. On paper, Ellis is the ideal role player. He can shoot, attack off the catch, defend the perimeter, and protect the rim.

Every player is going to make mistakes. It's a part of the game. With that said, there are certain mistakes that make coaches angrier than others. One of those triggers is breakdowns in defensive execution.

Ellis is an uber-aggressive defender. He loves to create high value plays like steals (86th percentile in steal rate) and blocks (88th percentile in block rate). That's great, but it also comes at a cost. Sometimes, these types of defenders can be so aggressive that they put themselves out of place on defense.

https://aroyalpain.com/clip-offers-insight-to-why-mike-brown-doesn-t-play-keon-ellis-more-01je40m4bz1m

[chonestown]

Dame splitting part of a play off share is basically the same as me doling out +1s, its a way both of us say keep'em (mopped up floors, good posts, what have you) coming.

The joy is in the giving (+1s).imo

As someone who's mopped some floor, allow me to just say it is an honor that the floor (my readers) is willing to indulge itself in being mopped (lectured and dazzled) by me (the mop)

When I am at a family gathering and some one spills some thing on the floor and we all draw straws to see who will MOP and it turns out to be my mother's sister that is when I say "Auntie up."

[BigO]

I don't know much about Keon Ellis. From your remarks, he is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. He's supposedly also a good 3 point shooter.

If that's the case, why can't he get off the bench? The Kings problem is defense and they don't play him. Are they just idiots? What are his flaws? He isn't good enough to play on a bad team, but is good enough to start on a championship caliber team?
I'm curious to know.

Skepticism of Keon is warranted because ‘WTF is going on in Sacramento’ is a good question!

Best piece I’ve seen on it is here, which also could bode well for this scenario, as Doc’s defense prioritizes getting turnovers more than others:

One of the biggest mysteries of the Sacramento Kings 2024-25 regular season is why head coach Mike Brown doesn't play Keon Ellis more. On paper, Ellis is the ideal role player. He can shoot, attack off the catch, defend the perimeter, and protect the rim.

Every player is going to make mistakes. It's a part of the game. With that said, there are certain mistakes that make coaches angrier than others. One of those triggers is breakdowns in defensive execution.

Ellis is an uber-aggressive defender. He loves to create high value plays like steals (86th percentile in steal rate) and blocks (88th percentile in block rate). That's great, but it also comes at a cost. Sometimes, these types of defenders can be so aggressive that they put themselves out of place on defense.

https://aroyalpain.com/clip-offers-insight-to-why-mike-brown-doesn-t-play-keon-ellis-more-01je40m4bz1m

Thanks. This is enlightening. Wasn't the knock on Gary Trent's defense that he went for steals too much at the expense of keeping his man in front of him?

[emunney]

Dame splitting part of a play off share is basically the same as me doling out +1s, its a way both of us say keep'em (mopped up floors, good posts, what have you) coming.

The joy is in the giving (+1s).imo

As someone who's mopped some floor, allow me to just say it is an honor that the floor (my readers) is willing to indulge itself in being mopped (lectured and dazzled) by me (the mop)

When I am at a family gathering and some one spills some thing on the floor and we all draw straws to see who will MOP and it turns out to be my mother's sister that is when I say "Auntie up."

Wet-nap that fool

[raferfenix]

Thanks. This is enlightening. Wasn't the knock on Gary Trent's defense that he went for steals too much at the expense of keeping his man in front of him?

Yes and Horst’s discussion of this is what struck me that Keon could be much better here (especially with Brook and Giannis anchoring the D) than elsewhere:

[GTJ] has a defensive component to his game that I think we can help flourish and grow more in our system. We’ve been able to do that with players, not only grow players offensively, but grow them defensively.

[Delon Wright’s] able to kind of generate turnovers, which is another thing that Gary does also. Both those guys are guys that generate turnovers on the ball and off the ball in the backcourt, something that we struggled with last year and we think helps in the playoffs.

[Taurean Prince is] another guy who can defend multiple positions and make 3s. There’s a trend, if you look at these guys. Guys that can shoot the ball, that can defend multiple positions, age-appropriate, size-appropriate was really the overall target. And Taurean fits that as well as anybody.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5658320/2024/07/26/bucks-jon-horst-qa-giannis-lillard/

[emunney]

If Ellis can be had for really cheap or as a throw-in on a bigger trade, great, but I don't think we have less of a need than Pretty Good SG.

[Frank Nova]

Khris Middleton obviously reads realgm and he clearly saw my post calling him out for being concerned with his play and he decided to turn it up a notch to prove me wrong. You’re welcome, Milwaukee. And again, I’m sorry Khris.

[Bernman]

Khris Middleton obviously reads realgm and he clearly saw my post calling him out for being concerned with his play and he decided to turn it up a notch to prove me wrong. You’re welcome, Milwaukee. And again, I’m sorry Khris.

Now say you're concerned about the trajectory of AJ Johnson.

[Frank Nova]

Khris Middleton obviously reads realgm and he clearly saw my post calling him out for being concerned with his play and he decided to turn it up a notch to prove me wrong. You’re welcome, Milwaukee. And again, I’m sorry Khris.

Now say you're concerned about the trajectory of AJ Johnson.

Aj Johnson definitely needs to step his game up and start looking more like a 1st round pick and less like he’s headed for Guangdong after his rookie deal

[ShootingtheJ]

Thanks. This is enlightening. Wasn't the knock on Gary Trent's defense that he went for steals too much at the expense of keeping his man in front of him?

Yes and Horst’s discussion of this is what struck me that Keon could be much better here (especially with Brook and Giannis anchoring the D) than elsewhere:

[GTJ] has a defensive component to his game that I think we can help flourish and grow more in our system. We’ve been able to do that with players, not only grow players offensively, but grow them defensively.

[Delon Wright’s] able to kind of generate turnovers, which is another thing that Gary does also. Both those guys are guys that generate turnovers on the ball and off the ball in the backcourt, something that we struggled with last year and we think helps in the playoffs.

[Taurean Prince is] another guy who can defend multiple positions and make 3s. There’s a trend, if you look at these guys. Guys that can shoot the ball, that can defend multiple positions, age-appropriate, size-appropriate was really the overall target. And Taurean fits that as well as anybody.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5658320/2024/07/26/bucks-jon-horst-qa-giannis-lillard/

The thing that's really crazy about the Kings not playing Ellis is that they're better both offensively and defensively with him on the floor.

[Matches Malone]

The sickness going through the team must be no joke.

[theFireBlanket]

The sickness going through the team must be no joke.

This bug is a b--ch. I knew Khris had this thing when he was listed out w. illness. Bird flu has been transmitted to people in the states fwiw. Dairy cows in California for awhile now, this past year.

[jschligs]

The sickness going through the team must be no joke.

This bug is a b--ch. I knew Khris had this thing when he was listed out w. illness. Bird flu has been transmitted to people in the states fwiw. Dairy cows in California for awhile now, this past year.

Dairy Bird is ****ed!

[GoldenAntlers]

The sickness going through the team must be no joke.

This bug is a b--ch. I knew Khris had this thing when he was listed out w. illness. Bird flu has been transmitted to people in the states fwiw. Dairy cows in California for awhile now, this past year.

Dairy Bird is ****ed!

[tydett]

The sickness going through the team must be no joke.

I'm calling bull on this one, Dame. No way you felt sick as a 6 year old when Tupac died.