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Post#1062 » by RiotPunch » Wed Dec 25, 2024 10:02 am

#1
MKE: Cam Johnson
HOU: Brook Lopez
BKN: Steven Adams, Jeff Green, BKN '27 1st swap relinquished, MKE '31 1st

#2
MKE: Duop Reath
PDX: MarJon Beauchamp, MKE '31 2nd

Lillard / Rollins
Jackson / Green
Middleton / Trent
Johnson / Prince
Giannis / Portis / Reath
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Post#1063 » by Bernman » Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:09 pm

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This bug is a b--ch. I knew Khris had this thing when he was listed out w. illness. Bird flu has been transmitted to people in the states fwiw. Dairy cows in California for awhile now, this past year.


Dairy Bird is ****ed!


It's his Lou Gehrig's Disease.
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Post#1064 » by Fotis St » Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:11 pm

We are again at the point where Khris improvement freezes out our front office. Oh well, though I would still trade him for a more athletic wing like (Michael Porter Junior, KD,Jerami Grant,Jimmy Butler, Brandon Ingram) we will make no move. If Horst trades Portis, he is Boston's secret agent who has been sabotaging us the last 3 years. We should shop Brook plus Pat and '31 1st. No reason to hold that pick since Bucks will die after Giannis. Lets maximize the Giannis era as much as possible
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Post#1065 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:13 pm

Bernman wrote:
jschligs wrote:
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This bug is a b--ch. I knew Khris had this thing when he was listed out w. illness. Bird flu has been transmitted to people in the states fwiw. Dairy cows in California for awhile now, this past year.


Dairy Bird is ****ed!


It's his Lou Gehrig's Disease.


I'd assume the double negative cancels out, creating a disease resistant variant human.
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Post#1066 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:15 pm

Fotis St wrote:We are again at the point where Khris improvement freezes out our front office. Oh well, though I would still trade him for a more athletic wing, we will make no move. If Horst trades Portis, he is Boston's secret agent who has been sabotaging us the last 3 years.


The way has always been to get an athltic big wing to play with Khris, since Mids basketball IQ is absolutely necessary.
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Post#1067 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:17 pm

RiotPunch wrote:#1
MKE: Cam Johnson
HOU: Brook Lopez
BKN: Steven Adams, Jeff Green, BKN '27 1st swap relinquished, MKE '31 1st



Fans of every team in the league are constructing Cam Johnson trades. I feel like the guy is fool's gold.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice player. but the guy turns 29 in two months. Believe he's simply a product of big minutes and big opportunities on a team trying to tank.
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Post#1068 » by Fotis St » Wed Dec 25, 2024 4:19 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Fotis St wrote:We are again at the point where Khris improvement freezes out our front office. Oh well, though I would still trade him for a more athletic wing, we will make no move. If Horst trades Portis, he is Boston's secret agent who has been sabotaging us the last 3 years.


The way had always been to get an athltic big wing to play with Khris, since Mids basketball IQ is absolutely necessary.


I know brother I like him as a player but the Finals finish in June and I am afraid he will not be able to maintain his health.

Chemistry is a real factor same as availability. I don't even trust Giannis any more to stay healthy. This is why changes must happen in the off season but Khris has been scheduling being injured at that period. He is smart off court too. Anyway I like our potential, Merry Christmas guys. Go Bucks
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Post#1069 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:14 pm

Fotis St wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Fotis St wrote:We are again at the point where Khris improvement freezes out our front office. Oh well, though I would still trade him for a more athletic wing, we will make no move. If Horst trades Portis, he is Boston's secret agent who has been sabotaging us the last 3 years.


The way had always been to get an athltic big wing to play with Khris, since Mids basketball IQ is absolutely necessary.


I know brother I like him as a player but the Finals finish in June and I am afraid he will not be able to maintain his health.

Chemistry is a real factor same as availability. I don't even trust Giannis any more to stay healthy. This is why changes must happen in the off season but Khris has been scheduling being injured at that period. He is smart off court too. Anyway I like our potential, Merry Christmas guys. Go Bucks


Khris plays through whatever he has come playoff time. I agree that you have to worry about the other 2. I like that Giannis is making adjustments to reduce contact.

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Post#1070 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:17 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:#1
MKE: Cam Johnson
HOU: Brook Lopez
BKN: Steven Adams, Jeff Green, BKN '27 1st swap relinquished, MKE '31 1st



Fans of every team in the league are constructing Cam Johnson trades. I feel like the guy is fool's gold.

Don't get me wrong, he's a nice player. but the guy turns 29 in two months. Believe he's simply a product of big minutes and big opportunities on a team trying to tank.


Maybe, but more shots usually lead to reduced efficiency. Cam is more efficient than ever, with a ridiculous 66TS% despite not playing with a single gravity player. He's both attacking off the dribble and shooting off movement more than ever.

Seems like Memphis is the team that should land him.
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Post#1071 » by Frank Nova » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:50 am

Pat and Marjon combine for 12.1m and we have the 2031 1st. Herb Jones makes 12.9m, we need a 3rd team but that’s the move. Pelicans are 5-25 and a total circus, find a middling playoff team to facilitate and get it done. Throw in Delon Wright because we don’t need him. Convert Rollins to a standard contract so he’s playoff eligible.

Dame/Rollins
Jackson Jr/Trent/Green
Khris/Prince
Herb/Bobby
Giannis/Brook

So much flexibility on offense and defense. A legit 12 man rotation and a complete roster.
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Post#1072 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Dec 26, 2024 1:25 am

Frank Nova wrote:Pat and Marjon combine for 12.1m and we have the 2031 1st. Herb Jones makes 12.9m, we need a 3rd team but that’s the move. Pelicans are 5-25 and a total circus, find a middling playoff team to facilitate and get it done. Throw in Delon Wright because we don’t need him. Convert Rollins to a standard contract so he’s playoff eligible.

Dame/Rollins
Jackson Jr/Trent/Green
Khris/Prince
Herb/Bobby
Giannis/Brook

So much flexibility on offense and defense. A legit 12 man rotation and a complete roster.


Agree, but we can't aggregate the salaries like we have in the past. So we'd need to also send out Bobby to get us under the 2nd apron.

Also, last year the Pelicans were asking for 2-1sts. We could get there if Bobby is on the deal, but is it still worth it?
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Post#1073 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Dec 26, 2024 1:49 am

Could have gotten Cam Johnson in the off-season for half the price he’ll end up going for now. DFS is the guy you can get for pennies. Problem is we don’t have the contracts.
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Post#1074 » by Frank Nova » Thu Dec 26, 2024 3:13 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:Pat and Marjon combine for 12.1m and we have the 2031 1st. Herb Jones makes 12.9m, we need a 3rd team but that’s the move. Pelicans are 5-25 and a total circus, find a middling playoff team to facilitate and get it done. Throw in Delon Wright because we don’t need him. Convert Rollins to a standard contract so he’s playoff eligible.

Dame/Rollins
Jackson Jr/Trent/Green
Khris/Prince
Herb/Bobby
Giannis/Brook

So much flexibility on offense and defense. A legit 12 man rotation and a complete roster.


Agree, but we can't aggregate the salaries like we have in the past. So we'd need to also send out Bobby to get us under the 2nd apron.

Also, last year the Pelicans were asking for 2-1sts. We could get there if Bobby is on the deal, but is it still worth it?


That’s tough, honestly. I’m not sure. Herb is a great defender and a solid spot up shooter but his offense and rebounding is light years behind Bobby. Plus the continuity and chemistry you lose by trading Bobby would have to tip that scale towards a no-go.

I’m still a little hazy on the aggregating contracts aspect of being a 2nd apron team.. so we can make a trade and stay in the 2nd apron as long as it’s a complete match of salary or the team we trade with can absorb extra salary and we can shave some off our cap. But, we can’t send out more players than we take back in the deal? Or we can’t send out 3 and only take back 1 as in the definition of aggregate, combining ‘several’ elements?
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Post#1075 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:06 am

Frank Nova wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:Pat and Marjon combine for 12.1m and we have the 2031 1st. Herb Jones makes 12.9m, we need a 3rd team but that’s the move. Pelicans are 5-25 and a total circus, find a middling playoff team to facilitate and get it done. Throw in Delon Wright because we don’t need him. Convert Rollins to a standard contract so he’s playoff eligible.

Dame/Rollins
Jackson Jr/Trent/Green
Khris/Prince
Herb/Bobby
Giannis/Brook

So much flexibility on offense and defense. A legit 12 man rotation and a complete roster.


Agree, but we can't aggregate the salaries like we have in the past. So we'd need to also send out Bobby to get us under the 2nd apron.

Also, last year the Pelicans were asking for 2-1sts. We could get there if Bobby is on the deal, but is it still worth it?


That’s tough, honestly. I’m not sure. Herb is a great defender and a solid spot up shooter but his offense and rebounding is light years behind Bobby. Plus the continuity and chemistry you lose by trading Bobby would have to tip that scale towards a no-go.

I’m still a little hazy on the aggregating contracts aspect of being a 2nd apron team.. so we can make a trade and stay in the 2nd apron as long as it’s a complete match of salary or the team we trade with can absorb extra salary and we can shave some off our cap. But, we can’t send out more players than we take back in the deal? Or we can’t send out 3 and only take back 1 as in the definition of aggregate, combining ‘several’ elements?


We either send 1 player out and take on an equal or smaller salary, or send out multiple players but the salary we take back drops us under the 2nd apron. That' amount is around $5 million.
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Post#1076 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:14 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Could have gotten Cam Johnson in the off-season for half the price he’ll end up going for now. DFS is the guy you can get for pennies. Problem is we don’t have the contracts.



They were still asking for 2 -1sts for Cam Johnson in the offseason. So cheaper, but not cheap.
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Post#1077 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:18 am

bucksfansince88 wrote:We need to trade with Portland again i want Reath and Benton


Banton is still the way. Reath is a center that can shoot, but he doesn't rebound much and isn't physical. If we're looking for more of a roll man type, Charles Bassey. He's played well lately after moving in front of Zach Collins in their rotation. Then today, neither played, so I'd think he could be had, and cheap.
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Post#1078 » by raferfenix » Thu Dec 26, 2024 2:27 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Banton is still the way.


Alright you got me googling who this dude is now.

Interested in why are you so enthusiastic about him as a target, and what you see us offering to entice the Trail Blazers?

On the face of it Banton seems like a young guy they’d invest in — albeit a tad older than ideal while they blow it up, and in need of a new contract:

Delano Banton's roster spot was in jeopardy, but now he's Portland's secret weapon

Banton is also the only one whose roster spot was in serious jeopardy heading into the 2024-25 season. This past offseason, the Blazers had to decide whether to pick up Banton's $2.2 million team option.

He had an impressive 30-game stretch with Portland in 2023-24, averaging 16.7 points, 4.8 rebounds, and 3.6 assists per game after the Blazers acquired him from the Boston Celtics, along with $3 million in cash considerations. In exchange, Portland sent Boston a heavily protected second-round pick that is top-55 protected in 2027, making it unlikely to convey.

Banton thrived during that 30-game audition with Portland, taking advantage of his increased opportunity as the Blazers dealt with several injuries. However, questions remained about his ability to stay impactful in a lessened role. Banton is a player who is at his best with the ball in his hands, which isn't ideal for a point guard who doesn't have strong court awareness or a reliable three-point shot (at the time).

However, as a rebuilding team with all the time in the world, the Blazers could afford to be patient with his development and see where it goes, especially for a low-risk flier of $2.2 million. The decision has already paid off quicker than expected, as Banton is playing a significant role off the bench as a two-way guard.

This season, Banton is averaging 10.5 points, 2.6 assists, and 2.4 rebounds on 43/39/67 shooting splits. Offensively, he's providing a much-needed scoring sparkplug for a Blazers' offense that ranks toward the bottom in offensive rating. But defensively, he's even more of a game-changer for Portland.

When Banton is on the court, Portland has a defensive rating of 113.7. That's second-best on the Blazers, behind only Donovan Clignan (112). As a team, Portland's rating is 116.2, tied for sixth-worst in the NBA. Banton is one of the lengthiest guards in the league at 6-foot-8, which allows him to switch onto multiple positions effectively and makes it so that the Blazers don't have an undersized weak link on the court in terms of mismatch hunting.

Banton is a great complementary piece to the Blazers' young core. He fits their rebuilding timeline at 25 and strengthens their team identity with his length and switchability. Just 23 games into the season, it's apparent he's already come a long way from the player battling for a roster spot in training camp.

After this season, D.B. Hooper is in store for a significantly higher contract. And the Blazers should do everything they can to keep him around.


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Post#1079 » by Bernman » Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:37 pm

Kuminga is the Mr Hyde version of Bobby - bad help d, lackluster rebounding, poor shot selection. So I think trading Kuminga for Bobby & the '31 1st, let alone Middleton, would be a disaster. We ought to scrap those ideas.

Reaves is a guy I'd be looking into, after the season, if we want to move off Middleton, or maybe as part of a package for Dame. He could become Middleton (who was good enough for a title as the #2) - playmaking, shot-making, clutch, & decent d.
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Post#1080 » by c00lhand208 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:39 am

As Jake Fischer of The Stein Line reported earlier this month, the Bucks are supposedly testing the trade waters for a backup big... or a more mobile frontcourt presence than Bobby or Brook. That got me thinking if there were some low-key-ish MarJon deals that could potentially bring in some lesser known players or afterthought vets for the bench in order to fill that role.

Since MarJon appears to have little to no opportunity for playing time with the Bucks being behind Trent, Prince, Green, Ajax, and I imagine Livingston & Pat too I can't see why he wouldn't be the player the team is shopping the hardest and gauging whether there's any interest in him at all. It's a little hard to believe that some other team wouldn't mind at least kicking the tires on a former 1st round pick with a solid athletic profile; I mean, sometimes just a change of scenery can be helpful for a player. And personally, I’d like to see him receive an opportunity on a bad team to further develop his game.

In any case, here are a number of deals around the roster margins that might receive some consideration.

Pelicans:
Bucks receive Jeremiah Robinson-Earl or Karlo Matkovic or Daniel Theis
Pelicans receive MarJon

Kings:
Bucks receive Orlando Robinson or Isaac Jones (+ maybe the SAS '25 2nd w/ Jones)
Kings receive MarJon via BAE

Trail Blazers:
Bucks receive Duop Reath
Trail Blazers receive MarJon

Grizzlies:
Bucks receive Colin Castleton (+ maybe the MIA/IND '26 2nd)
Grizzlies receive MarJon via TPE

Wizards:
Bucks receive Tristan Vukcevic (+ maybe the PHO '25 2nd)
Wizards receive MarJon via TPE

Jazz:
Bucks receive Oscar Tshiebwe (+ maybe the UTA '29 2nd)
Jazz receive MarJon via TPE

Spurs:
Bucks receive Charles Bassey
Spurs receive MarJon (+ probably the '31 2nd)

Clippers:
Bucks receive Kai Jones
Clippers receive MarJon via NT-MLE

Raptors:
Bucks receive Bruno Fernando
Raptors receive MarJon

Lakers:
Bucks receive Christian Wood via Minimum Salary
Lakers receive MarJon (+ probably the '31 2nd)

Some of these deals I'm sure are less likely to occur than others; plus, I'm sure people could argue that several might not even be worth pursuing. But like mentioned previously, if MarJon's opportunity with the Bucks is essentially over than why not take a gamble on someone who might actually fill a more helpful bench role; especially, in a scenario where the Bucks might also have a chance at receiving a draft asset in return.

So, do any of these deals intrigue you?

Plus, which ones do you find preposterous and why?

Please share your thoughts.

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