Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin

[blazza18]

Someone, somewhere in the Bucks org is at least happy he's playing I guess.

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[kanyon]

I said it from day one this kid is going to be really good he just turned 20 yrs old and people on here were saying he sucked lol
Rollins and AJJ would have made a very good backcourt I was so disappointed with trading him just **** stupid!

Yep. Same page. A lot of people here don't know much about basketball talent. Simple and clean. They watched summer league box scores and made value judgments when he went 0-14 as a freshly drafted 19 year old. They made a choice to focus on his mistakes while blinding themselves to any possibility that he could turn into even a role player. It gets quieter and quieter with every Wizard game.

Yes for sure I haven’t been that excited for a buck draft pick since Giannis and we trade him before his rookie season is even over for Kuzma lmfao
I could care less he was missing easy layups what I loved he was blowing by everyone to get there and at 19 at the time people on here don’t understand he’s going to get stronger and weigh more than 160 pounds this kid is a long 6’5 he’s going to be dunking on people consistently very soon. Horst is a **** moron

I just don't get why Horst would even pick him if he didn't think he had mad potential/keep him as a sleeper pick to stash and grow. He was basically unknown and we got laughed at for the pick due to his stats in AUS.

[M-C-G]

Yep. Same page. A lot of people here don't know much about basketball talent. Simple and clean. They watched summer league box scores and made value judgments when he went 0-14 as a freshly drafted 19 year old. They made a choice to focus on his mistakes while blinding themselves to any possibility that he could turn into even a role player. It gets quieter and quieter with every Wizard game.

Yes for sure I haven’t been that excited for a buck draft pick since Giannis and we trade him before his rookie season is even over for Kuzma lmfao
I could care less he was missing easy layups what I loved he was blowing by everyone to get there and at 19 at the time people on here don’t understand he’s going to get stronger and weigh more than 160 pounds this kid is a long 6’5 he’s going to be dunking on people consistently very soon. Horst is a **** moron

I just don't get why Horst would even pick him if he didn't think he had mad potential/keep him as a sleeper pick to stash and grow. He was basically unknown and we got laughed at for the pick due to his stats in AUS.

My best guess, he isn’t the head decision maker. We saw it under Kidd, he seemed to have the power after Kidd, then seems either the owners or Giannis overruled him Grief and probably Doc. It seems like the most obvious answer to me but who knows

[soxperry]

so final count on AJ is that he shot 25% from 3 with Washington. For a player who doesn't project as a good defender, that's extremely uphill.

[German Athens]

so final count on AJ is that he shot 25% from 3 with Washington. For a player who doesn't project as a good defender, that's extremely uphill.

I think touch around the hoop is probably more of my concern with him. He’s quick enough with a nice handle to be able to get where he wants, but if he can’t reliably finish, then it’s difficult to see him as a big time player.

Getting stronger could help, but we often talk about prospects with this assumption that they’ll fill out their frame, but there’s way more examples of skinny dudes staying skinny than guys turning into Giannis.

His progress will be really interesting to track.

[emunney]

so final count on AJ is that he shot 25% from 3 with Washington. For a player who doesn't project as a good defender, that's extremely uphill.

He does project as a good defender, though.

[Bernman]

and projects to be a shooter w/ the form + ft %. He was drafted as a raw prospect. Showed a lot of improvement from preseason, where he was shooting 17% from the field, overall. 25 from 3, & 38 from the field, is a heck of a lot more respectable.

So take your own advice, Sox.

any of us would be lying if we expressed any level of certainty about it.

[ReasonablySober]

so final count on AJ is that he shot 25% from 3 with Washington. For a player who doesn't project as a good defender, that's extremely uphill.

wat

[skbucks1985]

Yes for sure I haven’t been that excited for a buck draft pick since Giannis and we trade him before his rookie season is even over for Kuzma lmfao
I could care less he was missing easy layups what I loved he was blowing by everyone to get there and at 19 at the time people on here don’t understand he’s going to get stronger and weigh more than 160 pounds this kid is a long 6’5 he’s going to be dunking on people consistently very soon. Horst is a **** moron

I just don't get why Horst would even pick him if he didn't think he had mad potential/keep him as a sleeper pick to stash and grow. He was basically unknown and we got laughed at for the pick due to his stats in AUS.

My best guess, he isn’t the head decision maker. We saw it under Kidd, he seemed to have the power after Kidd, then seems either the owners or Giannis overruled him Grief and probably Doc. It seems like the most obvious answer to me but who knows

Its hard for me to see it being Giannis or Doc, I highly doubt Giannis is into the weeds on draft prospects. With Doc, I'm guessing he'd have preferred Terrence Shannon or Kyle Filipowski or Tyler Kolek, someone who was a high level college player that there was a not outlandish expectation that you could get an immediate contribution from (although none of those 3 did that). Maybe ownership made the decision, that I could imagine. I could also see it being a Horst decision and he for whatever reason soured on him over the next 8 months.

[soxperry]

and projects to be a shooter w/ the form + ft %. He was drafted as a raw prospect. Showed a lot of improvement from preseason, where he was shooting 17% from the field, overall. 25 from 3, & 38 from the field, is a heck of a lot more respectable.

So take your own advice, Sox.

any of us would be lying if we expressed any level of certainty about it.

i didn't express certainty. i said it's an uphill battle for him. someone else pointed out his lack of touch around the rim. that's another uphill battle. then you toss in the body issue. there are just a lot of things that need to develop for him to even stick in the league, let alone be the kind of player who we would regret moving in a trade.

[soxperry]

I just don't get why Horst would even pick him if he didn't think he had mad potential/keep him as a sleeper pick to stash and grow. He was basically unknown and we got laughed at for the pick due to his stats in AUS.

My best guess, he isn’t the head decision maker. We saw it under Kidd, he seemed to have the power after Kidd, then seems either the owners or Giannis overruled him Grief and probably Doc. It seems like the most obvious answer to me but who knows

Its hard for me to see it being Giannis or Doc, I highly doubt Giannis is into the weeds on draft prospects. With Doc, I'm guessing he'd have preferred Terrence Shannon or Kyle Filipowski or Tyler Kolek, someone who was a high level college player that there was a not outlandish expectation that you could get an immediate contribution from (although none of those 3 did that). Maybe ownership made the decision, that I could imagine. I could also see it being a Horst decision and he for whatever reason soured on him over the next 8 months.

i think there is a good chance that AJ was selected to be a trade asset from the get go. That would suggest that they looked at the more nba ready players and didn't really love what they saw.

[soboMP3]

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[ShootingtheJ]

My best guess, he isn’t the head decision maker. We saw it under Kidd, he seemed to have the power after Kidd, then seems either the owners or Giannis overruled him Grief and probably Doc. It seems like the most obvious answer to me but who knows

Its hard for me to see it being Giannis or Doc, I highly doubt Giannis is into the weeds on draft prospects. With Doc, I'm guessing he'd have preferred Terrence Shannon or Kyle Filipowski or Tyler Kolek, someone who was a high level college player that there was a not outlandish expectation that you could get an immediate contribution from (although none of those 3 did that). Maybe ownership made the decision, that I could imagine. I could also see it being a Horst decision and he for whatever reason soured on him over the next 8 months.

i think there is a good chance that AJ was selected to be a trade asset from the get go. That would suggest that they looked at the more nba ready players and didn't really love what they saw.

It's likely Horst never had a plan.

[yb90]

I'll say it again, the Bucks needs R.J. Barrett. They need a wing that can pass, score, and defend. That player doesn't always need to be great but they need to be good.

[ShootingtheJ]

Lots of playoffs left, but in Game 1, Kuzma and Middleton are actually tied in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

[Bernman]

The best ability being availability is the most inaccurate cliche in sports. That implies the Bucks would have been better off having us than Giannis on the roster the last 2 playoffs.

Khris made us better when he was out there. Obviously less court time, while you make your team better, is superior to more court time but making them worse.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

patc literally could be better than kuzma or midds right now. like right this minute.....patc

patc straight up for kuzma we might not be worse off. both guys can actually play on a court so there is that. giving up on patc for ajax for a 50 game run makes no sense in retrospect. 10 games? sure. 50 games? wtf

this trade was junk for junk. if ajj had any value whatsoever in this league we could have done better tho. there is that tho.

[yb90]

The best move would've been just keeping Midds and adding LaRavia if you couldn't get Butler after teams didn't want to take Bobby knowing he would be suspended.

[M-C-G]

patc literally could be better than kuzma or midds right now. like right this minute.....patc

patc straight up for kuzma we might not be worse off. both guys can actually play on a court so there is that. giving up on patc for ajax for a 50 game run makes no sense in retrospect. 10 games? sure. 50 games? wtf

this trade was junk for junk. if ajj had any value whatsoever in this league we could have done better tho. there is that tho.

I think the Wiz included about 10 days of adderol with the trade that had Kuzma locking in with the Bucks. But then it ran out and we are back to whatever he is.

I think they should ask him to beef up and move to the 5 or something crazy.

[Xanadu]

Honestly, I don't think Butler would of accepted a trade here. Yes I know he went to Marquette but I think he likes the warm climate bigger cities. He turned down a trade to Memphis despite them being the 2 seed at the time. To go to Warriors who where struggling to reach the play in. His talk of wanting to go a contender seemed hollow in hind sight.