The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

coolhandluke121 · Post #1081 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 8:56 pm

M-C-G wrote:
I think the crux of the problem is that you are operating under the assumption you are "objective". You are not, but hopefully one day you will be.

Is it really so hard to understand that many of you are being homers?

DingleJerry · Post #1082 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 8:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:You guys are **** embarrassing yourselves with this letter crap. It was a letter in the Player's Tribune. It was cliche "rah-rah team speak". Just stop with the ulterior motive garbage.

I'd say there is a logical argument that besides general 'rah-rah let's win this series' that there is just the overall PR/Marketing aspects that benefit him increasing his image, that's pretty much applicable to anyone who puts something like that out and I don't blame anyone for it. Overall I'm sure it was mostly just rah rah but it's tough deny that an extra benefit is to drum up good will for him and honestly there's nothing wrong with that. He did nothing wrong and by all accounts is a good guy, so why not get it out there. So I wouldn't say that's embarrasing to point that out as well. Who knows the ratio of what mattered most (I'd side on rah rah) but it's not an unlogical discussion to have, albeit nitpicky since all players try to market themselves positively.

What was embarrassing and laughable is anyong acting like his teamates would resent him for it and that it any way affected the games on the floor in the playoffs. That was just a joke for anyone to suggest, completely embarrassing imo. Essentially trying to blame a guy not even playing for how they blew that series. I gaurantee every player would laugh in your face if you said that to them.

M-C-G · Post #1083 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:01 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
I think the crux of the problem is that you are operating under the assumption you are "objective". You are not, but hopefully one day you will be.

Is it really so hard to understand that many of you are being homers?

What does that have to do with you not actually being objective? I mean, you know it too. I've admitted I am a fan since day 1, I have an optimistic outlook, it is part of being a fanatic. I see all sorts of stupid stuff on these boards for and against players, part of having a board with a ton of different passionate fans.

I know you think you are coming from a place of enlightenment that knows the future about a player's ceiling and value and I also know you project all your trauma from Michael Redd and project that on to Jabari, it's part of your bias, it's fine we all have it, but to say you are objective about Jabari, nah, not buying that one bit, that ship sailed long ago.

ReginaldDwight · Post #1084 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:12 pm

TroyD92 wrote:Losing respect for someone over a letter is also (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Its more the attempt to manipulate a fan base into thinking that hes all the sudden got some blind loyalty to Milwaukee. He and his team know that his best chance to get a big ass deal is the Bucks, not going to blame them for attempting to use everything in their arsenal to get it, but that letter was a pathetic display of PR.

RogerMurdock · Post #1085 » by **RogerMurdock** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:15 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:That is not an appropriate amount of body fat for an NBA player, let alone a sf. Not even close. It's probably a good 25 lbs of excess. There is almost no muscle tone there. On a body that big, 25 extra lbs. of excess fat is going to seem like a pretty thin layer, and it's perfectly healthy for an average person or even a football player. But it's a huge liability for an NBA combo player. Your eyes aren't discerning enough if you can't see it.

ETA: You're also ignoring multiple pictures where he's been quite a bit bigger than that, and the fact that he himself has admittedly gone through cycles of being really fat and having to get in shape going back to high school.

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M-C-G · Post #1086 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:15 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:Losing respect for someone over a letter is also (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Its more the attempt to manipulate a fan base into thinking that hes all the sudden got some blind loyalty to Milwaukee. He and his team know that his best chance to get a big ass deal is the Bucks, not going to blame them for attempting to use everything in their arsenal to get it, but that letter was a pathetic display of PR.

These displays of PR are far more pathetic, I mean, come on now he is trying endear himself to Chicago a year prior to ensure there is a market there for him? Where will this dude stop?

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jabari-parker-chicago-gun-violence/

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/stand-up-jabari-parker-video/

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jabari-parker-pick-up-for-peace-gallery/

DingleJerry · Post #1087 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:17 pm

So was pretty much every article put out about Giannis and how much he loves Milwaukee though and we don't blame him for it. It's part of the business. And yet he wanted a one year less deal so he could hit FA sooner for his own flexibility and to lock in a mega deal a year earlier.

ReginaldDwight · Post #1088 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:17 pm

M-C-G wrote:
ReginaldDwight wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:Losing respect for someone over a letter is also (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Its more the attempt to manipulate a fan base into thinking that hes all the sudden got some blind loyalty to Milwaukee. He and his team know that his best chance to get a big ass deal is the Bucks, not going to blame them for attempting to use everything in their arsenal to get it, but that letter was a pathetic display of PR.

These displays of PR are far more pathetic, I mean, come on now he is trying endear himself to Chicago a year prior to ensure there is a market there for him? Where will this dude stop?

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jabari-parker-chicago-gun-violence/

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/stand-up-jabari-parker-video/

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jabari-parker-pick-up-for-peace-gallery/

I never said he wasnt a good guy, but it was a very weird article to drop when it did. Good on him for trying to make a difference but those articles are vastly different then the Milwaukee letter.

ReginaldDwight · Post #1089 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:20 pm

DingleJerry wrote:So was pretty much every article put out about Giannis and how much he loves Milwaukee though and we don't blame him for it. It's part of the business. And yet he wanted a one year less deal so he could hit FA sooner for his own flexibility and to lock in a mega deal a year earlier.

Hes also a way better player. So you can deal with things like that from a guy who is an all NBA type player. Not to mention Milwaukee gave a poor kid from Greece a chance who has put down roots here with his family. Jabari was a stud prep player who had NBA on his mind his whole life, who obviously knows that this next deal is huge for him as it might be his only massive payday.

SirChurros · Post #1090 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:21 pm

Pretty sure Parker had nothing to do with when the article would have dropped.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #1091 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:21 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
ReginaldDwight wrote:Its more the attempt to manipulate a fan base into thinking that hes all the sudden got some blind loyalty to Milwaukee. He and his team know that his best chance to get a big ass deal is the Bucks, not going to blame them for attempting to use everything in their arsenal to get it, but that letter was a pathetic display of PR.

These displays of PR are far more pathetic, I mean, come on now he is trying endear himself to Chicago a year prior to ensure there is a market there for him? Where will this dude stop?

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jabari-parker-chicago-gun-violence/

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/stand-up-jabari-parker-video/

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/jabari-parker-pick-up-for-peace-gallery/

I never said he wasnt a good guy, but it was a very weird article to drop when it did. Good on him for trying to make a difference but those articles are vastly different then the Milwaukee letter.

It's no Port Huron Statement I can tell you that much.

ReginaldDwight · Post #1092 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:24 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:Pretty sure Parker had nothing to do with when the article would have dropped.

You serious? You dont think his agent and his whole team knew when the article was going to come out? One call and that article comes out at a different time.

DingleJerry · Post #1093 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:26 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:So was pretty much every article put out about Giannis and how much he loves Milwaukee though and we don't blame him for it. It's part of the business. And yet he wanted a one year less deal so he could hit FA sooner for his own flexibility and to lock in a mega deal a year earlier.

Hes also a way better player. So you can deal with things like that from a guy who is an all NBA type player. Not to mention Milwaukee gave a poor kid from Greece a chance who has put down roots here with his family. Jabari was a stud prep player who had NBA on his mind his whole life, who obviously knows that this next deal is huge for him as it might be his only massive payday.

But again, he says all the stuff to garner warm fuzzies from everyone. Then does a business prudent move to benefit himself. It's all fluff and playing the game whether it's Jabari or Giannis. And some of those articles started popping up right away, before anyone had any idea he'd be what he is now. It's just the business, the people to really blame are fans who buy into it all therefore making a reason to keep doing it. Just as much as you can say it makes more sense Giannis came from Greece and we gave him a shot, I could say it makes sense for Jabari since it's so close to home for him so he's very happy to be here instead of Orlando or OKC. although, I'm just guessing that wherever either of them went they would have said how much they love it. And I wouldn't even say they're lying, it's probably easy to love any city when you're making millions of dollars

crkone · Post #1094 » by **crkone** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:27 pm

What does PR to a fan base have anything to do with contract negotiations with the Bucks front office? Is Horst going all Gladiator on us and make his decision based on the arena crowd?

ReginaldDwight · Post #1095 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:29 pm

crkone wrote:What does PR to a fan base have anything to do with contract negotiations with the Bucks front office? Is Horst going all Gladiator on us and make his decision based on the arena crowd?

Cant trade the beloved savior Jabari. He love Milwaukee he goes and talks about hot rods and is going to solve the systematic racism that runs so prevalent through Milwaukee.

DingleJerry · Post #1096 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:30 pm

crkone wrote:What does PR to a fan base have anything to do with contract negotiations with the Bucks front office? Is Horst going all Gladiator on us and make his decision based on the arena crowd?

One would hope not. But knowing the Bucks the PR aspects have seemingly always been a factor in moves. So yes if you have a fan base all stoked up and positive behind Jabari, it makes more difficult for the GM to trade that guy without backlash from the fans. This can pretty much be proven by the discussion here the last 15 months and how vitriol it got that it's basically blasphemy to suggest trading him.

SirChurros · Post #1097 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:33 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:Pretty sure Parker had nothing to do with when the article would have dropped.

You serious? You dont think his agent and his whole team knew when the article was going to come out? One call and that article comes out at a different time.

Not saying they didn't know, saying that they didn't set the publishing date.

SirChurros · Post #1098 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:35 pm

Really humorous to me that people think that much thought was put into when that article was published.

fansinceforever · Post #1099 » by **fansinceforever** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:39 pm

Jesus... no wonder why people laugh at this board. having trepidation about giving Jabari the max? totally OK and understandable considering we're a team that needs to get everything right to eventually contend.

Using a letter and pictures to make indictments on the guy without any evidence to support your claims is just ridiculous. The guy was literally beating his positional counterparts off the dribble consistently, flying through the air and expanding his range before getting hurt.

crkone · Post #1100 » by **crkone** » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:43 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:
crkone wrote:What does PR to a fan base have anything to do with contract negotiations with the Bucks front office? Is Horst going all Gladiator on us and make his decision based on the arena crowd?

Cant trade the beloved savior Jabari. He love Milwaukee he goes and talks about hot rods and is going to solve the systematic racism that runs so prevalent through Milwaukee.

The Bucks have gone through enough PR disasters that this would be a walk in the park. Just feed some info to Woj and everyone will be on their side. Hell, 2 ACL injuries on top of whatever his play will be that doesn't earn him what he wants will be enough.

DingleJerry wrote:
crkone wrote:What does PR to a fan base have anything to do with contract negotiations with the Bucks front office? Is Horst going all Gladiator on us and make his decision based on the arena crowd?

One would hope not. But knowing the Bucks the PR aspects have seemingly always been a factor in moves. So yes if you have a fan base all stoked up and positive behind Jabari, it makes more difficult for the GM to trade that guy without backlash from the fans. This can pretty much be proven by the discussion here the last 15 months and how vitriol it got that it's basically blasphemy to suggest trading him.

I think that has more to do with his trade value having a large std dev.