Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[ShootingtheJ]

I don’t actually think Nesmith is a perfect fit for us, particularly if AJAX continues to emerge. It’s not a bad problem to have, but I think they overlap a bit positionally without an ability to solidly cover 4’s.

I’d prefer finding a combo forward who can capably defend both spots. I think that would help alleviate bad matchups for Middleton.

This board **** hates him and I do as well, but the good version of Grant Williams is what I want in place of Bobby. I can’t claim to have watched any Charlotte Hornets basketball this year so I don’t know if that guy even exists anymore though.

The idea of getting a combo forward rather than running with 4 guards is to help the rebounding. Grant Williams doesn't rebound, so then I'd rather just run with 4 guards.

[Bernman]

I keep coming back to this concept as well. I still like Detroit as an Ingram landing spot with us getting involved with either Bobby or Brook to New Orleans.

Option A:
MKE: Reed, Sasser
NOP: Portis, Hardaway Jr., DET protected 1st or 2nds
DET: Ingram

Option B:
MKE: Stewart, Sasser
NOP: Lopez, Hardaway Jr., DET protected 1st or 2nds
DET: Ingram, Robinson-Earl

I'd prefer the 1st, because I don't think Brook is an issue, if you use him like traditional centers should be used these days - situationally. Doc might not have that ability in his locker, but at least that solution would be on the roster.

Bobby creates a defense & athleticism problem, inherently. He's not even been effective w/ Giannis the last yr+. So he's got to go. And I don't think Stewart upgrades our speed much. I may even want Reed over Stewart, even though Detroit doesn't. Reed would be a buy low. And his contract is a lot better at half the #, in addition to being ng'ed.

Devil's advocate on the Sasser pick-up, as the poster you're responding to who suggested him: I would have some concern going from Bobby to Sasser/Reed, because we already have creation issues, & BP's the best of the 3 in this dept I believe. I may prefer Gabe Vincent (Reed & Vincent) & a redirect of Bobby to LAL bcuz of this. But IDK what's going on w/ him this yr - the lingering injury, small sample, or he was a byproduct of Heat culture. I'd be open other creator suggestions, coupled w/ Reed.

[Badgerlander]

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[Badgerlander]

I’d rather go with Rollins than Sasser, and if we are trading Bobby then we need a player that can create their own shot (or the assets to acquire one). LaRavia seems like a guy that we might be able to acquire (memphis not picking up his option though makes him tougher to keep). I’d almost rather sign a Wenyen Gabriel or Lessort type guy (not sure when their euro contracts end that we could sign them specifically), than trade for bball paul. Addition by subtraction, lets let Andre, AJ Green, Rollins, and Livingston get some burn.

[emunney]

I'm kind of leaning toward just cutting one of the vet min guards and promoting Rollins, but we definitely don't need to do it yet. Still need another mobile big for the playoff roster, no idea how we get one. Saw some people (on twitter) advocating for Tyler Smith to be that dude. I think that's a terrible idea.

[Bernman]

I think there’s a real fear on this board of giving up the ‘31 pick and it turning into #1 without further contextualizing that the median number 1 pick nets you something like Andrew Wiggins.

That’s before considering that it’s much more likely to not be #1 than #1.

If the goal of the game is to win it all, we’re presently closer to that summit with the top end talent we have than starting from scratch with a 19 year old Andrew Wiggins or KAT in the 2030’s.

I don’t really care about fielding respectable teams in the 2030s when it’s far more likely we won’t come anywhere close to a title. I think we have 50 years of history between championships to support that.

I think the only compelling case against trading the pick is if you strongly believe the team could be moved if we are mediocre or bad. I also don’t see that as the likeliest possibility, either, though.

Your hope when you bottom out, especially as a small market, is in 1st rd picks, namely your own because you can then benefit from yourselves being bad. We're going to lose that ability for yrs already, now we'd be tacking on 1 more, 2 if you're taking back contracts that will ensure you're over the 2nd apron for the foreseeable future.

It'd be devastating even if they stay. We think about how bad things were for the Bucks for a couple decades. But this way it'd be exacerbated. We at least had most of our own picks, & could have tanked properly as opposed to being in limbo all the time.

We are dealing w/ cutthroat businessmen here too, & w/ limited ties to this community (Kohl was from here). So moving a team from a small market that can't lure FA's, to a bigger one who can, makes cents.

[Ron Swanson]

Fine with moving the 2031 1st if we have to for a legitimate, long-term piece you can envision as a Top 3-4 guy on a contender (aka not dudes like Keon Ellis or Jaime Jacquez), but if you're not putting at least Top-5 protection on that pick, then you're insane.

[StickeeFingaz]

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[raferfenix]

Well. That doesn’t sound great.

Anyone with ESPN+ care to relay what Windy and Bontemps wrote?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/42191100/nba-intel-trade-talk-milwaukee-embiid-updates-warriors

[WeMajor34]

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I’m sure Horst is doing his due diligence and lining up trade scenarios for smaller moves (MarJon, Livingston) or bigger ones (Bobby, Pat). The only one who has any value is Bobby. Some mediocre team will talk themselves into Bobby and Horst knows that.

I’d also bet that the ‘31 first was not in these discussions. If Horst and the team are desperate enough, I’m sure the rest of the “canvassed” league will have a different tune if Horst is attaching the first to Bobby for a meaningful bench/starting piece.

[soxperry]

Guys... Rollins is just a body. Move on from the Rollins thing.

[Ron Swanson]

Lol, Windhorst doesn't know **** when Klutch isn't feeding him info on trades. I'm old enough to remember just last offseason when him and his ESPN handlers had everyone stick to the script of "Miami is the only team to put forth a competitive offer for Dame". Besides, trades this early in the season rarely ever happen because of minimum contract and extension eligibility stuff. After December 15th is when we'll start seeing some movement.

[WeMajor34]

Well. That doesn’t sound great.

Anyone with ESPN+ care to relay what Windy and Bontemps wrote?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/42191100/nba-intel-trade-talk-milwaukee-embiid-updates-warriors

I read it this morning. It’s basically reiterating what we have all been saying and what that ESPN clip is referencing.

Dame, Giannis, and Khris aren’t going anywhere and we’re looking to put more help around them. We’ve basically been calling the whole league to look for trade options. They also mention how we have no draft capital and how we’re severely handicapped by the second apron restrictions.

[raferfenix]

Lol, Windhorst doesn't know **** when Klutch isn't feeding him info on trades.

MarJon is a Klutch client and they are reportedly seeking deals on the Bucks’ behalf.

Rich Paul steered Livingston to the Bucks too. Relationship started with Bledsoe.

Notable context at a baseline.

[Gant]

Not a rumor, but some speculation from Morten Stig Jensen on Bluesky:

If the Bucks are indeed exploring trade options, I'm guessing they'll look at Brandon Ingram and Zach LaVine.

Just makes sense to gamble on guys who are perfectly productive, but doesn't have the trade value to justify big hauls.

Maybe even Jordan Poole?

https://bsky.app/profile/msjnba.bsky.social/post/3lahpw72l5c2x

Morten Stig Jensen @msjnba.bsky.social‬

Bucks are roughly $6.5 million above 2A, which seems doable to get under.

They'd have to outright dump Pat Connaughton to do so, but am I being too optimistic in thinking they can do that?

‪Jason M‬ ‪@jasonmnyc.bsky.social‬

I don't see how they can trade for Ingram or Lavine due to the second apron restrictions, the only players that make more are Giannis and Lillard.

Poole is a different story because Middleton makes more.

https://bsky.app/profile/msjnba.bsky.social/post/3lahqewim322x

[BroncoBuck]

I’m fairly certain if the Bucks dip below the second apron they are locked into the first apron and can’t re-enter the second apron this season.

[tester551]

Lol, Windhorst doesn't know **** when Klutch isn't feeding him info on trades.

MarJon is a Klutch client and they are reportedly seeking deals on the Bucks’ behalf.

Rich Paul steered Livingston to the Bucks too. Relationship started with Bledsoe.

Notable context at a baseline.

Portland fan here... Just coming around to see what ya'll need for the next year or two to help support Dame & Giannis.

From the outside, it looks like you could use more size.

Would a Reath for Beauchamp (+'31 2nd) be of interest?


I'm guessing trying to break down Middleton into 2-3 productive role players may be of interest? Maybe Portland sends Grant to Lakers for Rui + Vincent who go to Bucks in exchange for Middleton? Portland would be looking for picks from Lakers to help facilitate this...

[Badgerlander]

I'm kind of leaning toward just cutting one of the vet min guards and promoting Rollins, but we definitely don't need to do it yet. Still need another mobile big for the playoff roster, no idea how we get one. Saw some people (on twitter) advocating for Tyler Smith to be that dude. I think that's a terrible idea.

MarJon seems like the most likely cut candidate but at this point we may as we wait until the Dec time when we could use say Trent to move both contracts or something. Not sure why Livingston isn’t getting some pf burn over Tyler

[MickeyDavis]

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[tydett]

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I'm old enough to remember when Doc said Khris would be ready for the end of the preseason.