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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Edens: "Giannis made it very clear he is committed to Milwaukee" 

Post#1081 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 12:48 pm

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raferfenix wrote:Agreed that’s encouraging from Doc.

If Cole balls out maybe he gets the starting 2 spot but unless Porter aka Scoot flames out (definitely could happen!) it seems like Rivers is at least talking the talk about investing in his development.


One concern I have is, that we don't prioritize Porter as a large facilitator of the offense. That was a major plus of his, that made him work so well last year. He was locked in on both sides of the ball. He seemed to play off of Giannis way better than Lillard. I keep hearing talks about running the offense out of Giannis more, which could negate the effectiveness of KPJ. We won a lot of regular season games doing that over the years, but come playoff time that seems to fail with teams walling him off.


I don't think Giannis being the focal point of the offense means KPJ will simply stand there. He'll be bringing up the ball most of the time. Giannis has evolved to where he likes operating out of the wings, nail and block and not necessarily bringing up the ball. Those inverted pick and rolls where guards are screening for him are a fun wrinkle but not necessarily the norm. KPJ will still likely be primary ball-handler unless Giannis grabs an early rebound and starts the break. And agreed that they developed chemistry fairly quickly, as KPJ is a bigger and more athletic guard to be able to get around a hedge or make the pass out of a trap. It's up to KPJ, though, to evolve a bit and be able to see that corner skip pass when 3 guys converge on Gianni's roll toward the rim.
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Post#1082 » by raferfenix » Wed Oct 1, 2025 12:54 pm

Maybe the change of scenery for Myles Turner will be a bigger deal for him than folks have been thinking.

That and the opportunity to be the #2 guy:

”One thing I'm doing now is embracing change. I'm heading into my prime," he said. "I'm in a city now that wants to celebrate me. And there's a great quote, 'Go where you're celebrated.' And I feel that's here."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2025/09/30/myles-turner-signing-milwaukee-bucks-leaving-indiana-pacers-nba-free-agency/86431154007/
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Edens: "Giannis made it very clear he is committed to Milwaukee" 

Post#1083 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 1, 2025 1:04 pm

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As long as Giannis keeps his 3 attempts down, we've got a big chunk of usage that should be in the basement in 3PA rate. So we should keep that context in mind when we look at team attempts. Top 10 probably still doable but not a certainty. 42% of our FGAs were 3s last year, but if you exclude Giannis, it was 51%, which would be #2 in the league.

I'm certain that being by far the worst offensive rebounding team in the league hurts us worse than not taking enough 3s. That's probably not going to stop unless Turner spends a lot less time above the break than Brook did. And doing that would probably reduce the proportion of our 3PAs. Maybe better ball movement puts teams in rotation and creates some space for guys to crash.


This never stopped us from being 5th, 4th, 5th, 8th, 4th, and 2nd in attempts the previous 6 straight seasons. It's a uniquely Doc thing.


What were Giannis' 3PA in those seasons?


The years where Giannis attempted under 3 attempts per game we were 2nd, 4th, and 5th in attempts. The years where he took over 3 a game we were 4th, 8th and 5th. There's no real correlation there. Meanwhile, Doc's teams:

22-23: 16th
21-22: 27th
20-21: 26th
19-20: 16th
18-19: 28th
17-18: 22nd
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Post#1084 » by GoldenAntlers » Wed Oct 1, 2025 2:24 pm

raferfenix wrote:Maybe the change of scenery for Myles Turner will be a bigger deal for him than folks have been thinking.

That and the opportunity to be the #2 guy:

”One thing I'm doing now is embracing change. I'm heading into my prime," he said. "I'm in a city now that wants to celebrate me. And there's a great quote, 'Go where you're celebrated.' And I feel that's here."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2025/09/30/myles-turner-signing-milwaukee-bucks-leaving-indiana-pacers-nba-free-agency/86431154007/
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Post#1085 » by emunney » Wed Oct 1, 2025 2:29 pm

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This never stopped us from being 5th, 4th, 5th, 8th, 4th, and 2nd in attempts the previous 6 straight seasons. It's a uniquely Doc thing.


What were Giannis' 3PA in those seasons?


The years where Giannis attempted under 3 attempts per game we were 2nd, 4th, and 5th in attempts. The years where he took over 3 a game we were 4th, 8th and 5th. There's no real correlation there. Meanwhile, Doc's teams:

22-23: 16th
21-22: 27th
20-21: 26th
19-20: 16th
18-19: 28th
17-18: 22nd


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Post#1086 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 1, 2025 2:51 pm

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What were Giannis' 3PA in those seasons?


The years where Giannis attempted under 3 attempts per game we were 2nd, 4th, and 5th in attempts. The years where he took over 3 a game we were 4th, 8th and 5th. There's no real correlation there. Meanwhile, Doc's teams:

22-23: 16th
21-22: 27th
20-21: 26th
19-20: 16th
18-19: 28th
17-18: 22nd


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I don't know what this is supposed to prove. It's all relative to league average, and we were absolutely not shooting enough 3's last season considering the shooting talent we had (#1 in efficiency). League wide averages have gone up every year so the non-Giannis 3PT attempts remaining static the last 3-years only proves the point further. We were one of only 4-teams to actually attempt less 3's per game than the previous year.

It's not a coincidence that as soon as Doc got a full offseason/training camp to sink his tentacles into this roster, that we immediately became a mediocre unit that de-emphasized stuff that every good offensive team prioritizes these days. Even in his coaching prime he was a **** offensive mind who never maximized his talent outside of those years where he just rolled the ball out to prime Chris Paul and let him run everything. He simply doesn't understand/appreciate the concept of spacing, and on a team built around Giannis, that's an inexcusable offensive philosophy.
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Post#1087 » by midranger » Wed Oct 1, 2025 3:02 pm

We want Giannis shooting the most shots on the team. We want Giannis shooting no threes. Going to be hard to have above league average attempts given points 1 & 2.
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Post#1088 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Oct 1, 2025 3:57 pm

The Finals were just 3.5 months ago and preseason starts this week. It would be like the NFL starting their preseason games in May. Such a stupidly long season.
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Post#1089 » by PG Graveyard » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:00 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Maybe the change of scenery for Myles Turner will be a bigger deal for him than folks have been thinking.

That and the opportunity to be the #2 guy:

”One thing I'm doing now is embracing change. I'm heading into my prime," he said. "I'm in a city now that wants to celebrate me. And there's a great quote, 'Go where you're celebrated.' And I feel that's here."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2025/09/30/myles-turner-signing-milwaukee-bucks-leaving-indiana-pacers-nba-free-agency/86431154007/
Every vibe I get from Turner is that he is genuinely happy to be here. The anti-Dame.


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Post#1090 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:04 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:The Finals were just 3.5 months ago and preseason starts this week. It would be like the NFL starting their preseason games in May. Such a stupidly long season.


Tbf, the NFL is the big outlier here.

MLB World series ends in early November and begins again nearly halfway through Spring(3.5 months off)

NHL ended mid June and has already been playing preseason games(3 months or so)

The NFL just has a massively long offseason compared to the other major sports
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Post#1091 » by drew881 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:18 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:The Finals were just 3.5 months ago and preseason starts this week. It would be like the NFL starting their preseason games in May. Such a stupidly long season.


But good for us when two rival teams had their stars blow Achilles.
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Post#1092 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:38 pm

Sure technically "good" for us but I hate having stars having to sit out the season. We've had plenty of injuries ourselves.

It's my agenda and it won't change but 82 games to eliminate less than half the teams, followed by 4 rounds of best of 7, is beyond stupid. The regular season is a joke. Watch a regular season game and then watch a playoff game. It's not close to the same. In no other sport is there such a great disparity. Give me a 50 game season starting on Xmas day. "It's always been this way" is meaningless. Neither owners nor players will ever give up that revenue so it doesn't matter. But I hate it.
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Post#1093 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:39 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Sure technically "good" for us but I hate having stars having to sit out the season. We've had plenty of injuries ourselves.

It's my agenda and it won't change but 82 games to eliminate less than half the teams, followed by 4 rounds of best of 7, is beyond stupid. The regular season is a joke. Watch a regular season game and then watch a playoff game. It's not close to the same. In no other sport is there such a great disparity. Give me a 50 game season starting on Xmas day. "It's always been this way" is meaningless. Neither owners nor players will ever give up that revenue so it doesn't matter. But I hate it.


I think moreso than cutting down the regular season they need to cut down on playoff teams. If they only had 4 or 6 playoff teams in each conference you would get teams trying a lot harder during the regular season
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Post#1094 » by emunney » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:40 pm

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The years where Giannis attempted under 3 attempts per game we were 2nd, 4th, and 5th in attempts. The years where he took over 3 a game we were 4th, 8th and 5th. There's no real correlation there. Meanwhile, Doc's teams:

22-23: 16th
21-22: 27th
20-21: 26th
19-20: 16th
18-19: 28th
17-18: 22nd


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I don't know what this is supposed to prove. It's all relative to league average, and we were absolutely not shooting enough 3's last season considering the shooting talent we had (#1 in efficiency). League wide averages have gone up every year so the non-Giannis 3PT attempts remaining static the last 3-years only proves the point further. We were one of only 4-teams to actually attempt less 3's per game than the previous year.

It's not a coincidence that as soon as Doc got a full offseason/training camp to sink his tentacles into this roster, that we immediately became a mediocre unit that de-emphasized stuff that every good offensive team prioritizes these days. Even in his coaching prime he was a **** offensive mind who never maximized his talent outside of those years where he just rolled the ball out to prime Chris Paul and let him run everything. He simply doesn't understand/appreciate the concept of spacing, and on a team built around Giannis, that's an inexcusable offensive philosophy.


If we don't have a modern offense, and the evidence for that is how many 3s we're taking, but aside from Giannis we're taking more 3s than almost every team in the league, then why are we calling it a modern offense when almost no modern teams are clearing that bar?
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Post#1095 » by skbucks1985 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:45 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:The Finals were just 3.5 months ago and preseason starts this week. It would be like the NFL starting their preseason games in May. Such a stupidly long season.


Tbf, the NFL is the big outlier here.

MLB World series ends in early November and begins again nearly halfway through Spring(3.5 months off)

NHL ended mid June and has already been playing preseason games(3 months or so)

The NFL just has a massively long offseason compared to the other major sports


You guys are both right. The NFL is the outlier, but the NFL is also the one doing it closest to right. Sports seasons, all of them, should be 5-6 months long (depending on how far you advance in the postseason).
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Post#1096 » by emunney » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:52 pm

By the way, I definitely think there's room for optimization for our offense. Giannis still takes too many early shot clock jumpshots, for instance. The fact that he's way better at making them from closer to the rim mitigates the problem but it doesn't eliminate it.

But I think the thing that would help our offense the most is having a 2nd very fast big, somebody who can both consistently compete on the offensive glass AND switch ends to not get beaten to the rim by his man in transition. The ideal player could also hit a corner 3 and duck in to the dunker or for rebounds. This theory is what's driven my obsession with some of these young bigs over the past few years. I wish Turner was that guy but I don't know that he's a good enough rebounder even if you park him in the paint (which we shouldn't do), or that he has the kind of speed/motor combination I have in mind.
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Post#1097 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 4:58 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:The Finals were just 3.5 months ago and preseason starts this week. It would be like the NFL starting their preseason games in May. Such a stupidly long season.


Tbf, the NFL is the big outlier here.

MLB World series ends in early November and begins again nearly halfway through Spring(3.5 months off)

NHL ended mid June and has already been playing preseason games(3 months or so)

The NFL just has a massively long offseason compared to the other major sports


You guys are both right. The NFL is the outlier, but the NFL is also the one doing it closest to right. Sports seasons, all of them, should be 5-6 months long (depending on how far you advance in the postseason).


I think part of the issue in the NBA is how long the postseason runs. For teams who don't make it the season only lasts from mid-late Oct to the mid-early of April(for the Bucks it would run from Oct 22 to April 12). Thats less than 6 months, but if they were to go to the finals then your pushing 8-9 months
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Post#1098 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 1, 2025 5:21 pm

We didn't have a "modern offense" last year for a myriad of reasons (major uptick in inefficient post-ups, bottom-8 in pick and roll frequency despite having multiple efficient P&R ball-handlers). Not getting enough shots up, particularly of the 3PT variety, was absolutely a huge culprit and arguable the biggest reason we finished outside the Top-10 in offensive efficiency for only the 2nd time in 8-years.

Seriously. how many times did we lose the math game this past season? Why was that basically never an issue up until last season? Because even in seasons we got out-shot, we were more efficient than most teams because our 3PT volume off-set the difference. On average we literally gave the opposing team 5 more shots per game last year (worst amongst all playoff teams by a significant margin). Shooting efficiency in general is mostly reliant on talent, but shot volume is almost entirely a schematic/philosophy thing. It's gonna be pretty clear very early in the season whether or not we've (re: Doc) learned anything. "Do more of the things you're good at and less of the things you're mediocre-to-bad at" should not be a complicated starting point.
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Post#1099 » by skbucks1985 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 6:18 pm

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Tbf, the NFL is the big outlier here.

MLB World series ends in early November and begins again nearly halfway through Spring(3.5 months off)

NHL ended mid June and has already been playing preseason games(3 months or so)

The NFL just has a massively long offseason compared to the other major sports


You guys are both right. The NFL is the outlier, but the NFL is also the one doing it closest to right. Sports seasons, all of them, should be 5-6 months long (depending on how far you advance in the postseason).


I think part of the issue in the NBA is how long the postseason runs. For teams who don't make it the season only lasts from mid-late Oct to the mid-early of April(for the Bucks it would run from Oct 22 to April 12). Thats less than 6 months, but if they were to go to the finals then your pushing 8-9 months


When I said 5-6 months in reference to the NFL I was including training camp. An NFL team that doesn't make the playoffs has a 4 month season from regular season game to game. If we had a 4 month NBA season followed by a 2 month postseason, I'd have no complaints.
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Post#1100 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 6:22 pm

skbucks1985 wrote:
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You guys are both right. The NFL is the outlier, but the NFL is also the one doing it closest to right. Sports seasons, all of them, should be 5-6 months long (depending on how far you advance in the postseason).


I think part of the issue in the NBA is how long the postseason runs. For teams who don't make it the season only lasts from mid-late Oct to the mid-early of April(for the Bucks it would run from Oct 22 to April 12). Thats less than 6 months, but if they were to go to the finals then your pushing 8-9 months


When I said 5-6 months in reference to the NFL I was including training camp. An NFL team that doesn't make the playoffs has a 4 month season from regular season game to game. If we had a 4 month NBA season followed by a 2 month postseason, I'd have no complaints.


Maybe but the NFL playoffs only last a month, same with MLB. 2 month long playoffs is just too long imo
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