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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1101 » by 4xBuck » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:01 am

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ackypoo wrote:by the time oscar signed with the bucks he was 32 and a shell of himself. blakes career thus far > oscars career with the bucks.

no, hes not better than kareem. so i guess if you want to say giannis and kareem >, then move him down to 3rd.


Cummings and Moncrief were probably a little better. I would take them because of toughness and defense and professionalism. Blake has been pantsed in the playoffs several times and the team doesn't always struggle that much without him.


Yep... I barely remember Johnson, but I'd take him, too.

Going forward, Griffin is really breaking down. He's averaged something like 55 games a year the past three seasons and I don't see that getting any better.
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1102 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:33 pm

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Cummings and Moncrief were probably a little better. I would take them because of toughness and defense and professionalism. Blake has been pantsed in the playoffs several times and the team doesn't always struggle that much without him.

cummings and moncrief werent better, they were way more inconsistent throughout their careers and their best seasons dont match those of blakes worsst. their playoff success is similar. i dont see moncrief or cummings with any rings. pretty sure without checking theyve made the same # of conference finals.

additionally, blakes been injured in the playoffs the past...3 years or whatever.

probably a little bit better? probably not close to as good.


Do you think Blake is better than Millsap?
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1103 » by ackypoo » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:51 pm

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Cummings and Moncrief were probably a little better. I would take them because of toughness and defense and professionalism. Blake has been pantsed in the playoffs several times and the team doesn't always struggle that much without him.

cummings and moncrief werent better, they were way more inconsistent throughout their careers and their best seasons dont match those of blakes worsst. their playoff success is similar. i dont see moncrief or cummings with any rings. pretty sure without checking theyve made the same # of conference finals.

additionally, blakes been injured in the playoffs the past...3 years or whatever.

probably a little bit better? probably not close to as good.


Do you think Blake is better than Millsap?

yes. no doubt.
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1104 » by VooDoo7 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:36 pm

Jesus. Talk about using your son for your own fame. How is this clown not embarrassed of himself?

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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1105 » by LittleRooster » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:38 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:Jesus. Talk about using your son for your own fame. How is this clown not embarrassed of himself?

http://es.pn/2u3BIJ1


I don't understand how he doesn't talk with his father


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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1106 » by VooDoo7 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:39 pm

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VooDoo7 wrote:Jesus. Talk about using your son for your own fame. How is this clown not embarrassed of himself?

http://es.pn/2u3BIJ1


I don't understand how he doesn't talk with his father


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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1107 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:16 pm

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Do you think Blake is better than Millsap?

yes. no doubt.


Prime Horford too?

I already know what the answer is gonna be. All 3 are comparable though. Griffin has better raw stats, but nowhere near the intangibles. I suppose you thought prime Amare was great too? They may both have some impressive highlights, but the thankless work guys like Horford, Millsap, and Cummings always did is just as important if not more so - and they were no slouches on offense or the boards themselves. They also kept their composure and weren't headcases who could be pulled off their game so easily. If I'm trying to win a title, no way I'm doing it with Blake or Amare as my clear 2nd-best player, and I'd much rather my 3rd-best player be a Horford, Millsap, David West, or Cummings. Amare and Blake were more marketable as stars, but not better.

Sid was much better. He was basically the Gary Payton of the 80's, sg version. That's much more valuable than a guy like Blake.
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1108 » by VooDoo7 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:35 pm

That's one hell of a haul.

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Post#1109 » by GFreak34 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:52 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:That's one hell of a haul.

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That one was also considered as such
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1110 » by ackypoo » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:54 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
ackypoo wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
Do you think Blake is better than Millsap?

yes. no doubt.


Prime Horford too?

I already know what the answer is gonna be. All 3 are comparable though. Griffin has better raw stats, but nowhere near the intangibles. I suppose you thought prime Amare was great too? They may both have some impressive highlights, but the thankless work guys like Horford, Millsap, and Cummings always did is just as important if not more so - and they were no slouches on offense or the boards themselves. They also kept their composure and weren't headcases who could be pulled off their game so easily. If I'm trying to win a title, no way I'm doing it with Blake or Amare as my clear 2nd-best player, and I'd much rather my 3rd-best player be a Horford, Millsap, David West, or Cummings. Amare and Blake were more marketable as stars, but not better.

Sid was much better. He was basically the Gary Payton of the 80's, sg version. That's much more valuable than a guy like Blake.

the 3 years in which amare was in his prime was so much better than anyone youve mentioned its not close. he was a dominant offensive force.

youre really underselling blake. its sad. its like youve never seen him play. blakes a better offensive facilitator than sid. if i had both of them on my team, id have blake bringing the ball up and running the offense. youre also underselling his defense which is better than bad. im not going to tell you its great, but acting like sid is comparable to gary payton is equally ridiculous.
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1111 » by VooDoo7 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:54 pm

GFreak34 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:That's one hell of a haul.

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That one was also considered as such
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No, it wasn't. Everybody laughed at the Bennett pick.
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1112 » by GFreak34 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:11 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:
GFreak34 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:That's one hell of a haul.

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That one was also considered as such
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No, it wasn't. Everybody laughed at the Bennett pick.


First-team All-MWC (2013)
McDonald's All-American (2012)

He was the #1 forward and the #7 player overall in the high school class of 2012 according to ESPNU 100,[7] the #7 player by Scout.com,[8] and the #7 player by Rivals.com.[9]

While initially receiving interest from many teams, Bennett narrowed down his college choices to Oregon and UNLV. He committed to UNLV under head coach Dave Rice on May 12, 2012.

College career
During the 2012–13 UNLV Runnin' Rebels basketball season, Bennett played 35 games. While mostly starting at power forward, he would occasionally play small forward. He averaged 16.1 points and 8.1 rebounds a game despite only averaging 27.1 minutes a game due to injury. He shot 53.3% from the field overall and 37.5% from three-point range. He was extremely efficient in college, averaging a PER of 28.3.[10] Halfway through the season, Bennett was plagued with a shoulder injury.[11][better source needed] His minutes were cut to allow him to rest and he even came off the bench in a few games. After making it to the NCAA tournament, UNLV lost in the second round to California.

In April 2013, Bennett declared for the NBA draft, foregoing his final three years of college eligibility
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1113 » by VooDoo7 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:19 pm

GFreak34 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:
GFreak34 wrote:
That one was also considered as such
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No, it wasn't. Everybody laughed at the Bennett pick.


First-team All-MWC (2013)
McDonald's All-American (2012)

He was the #1 forward and the #7 player overall in the high school class of 2012 according to ESPNU 100,[7] the #7 player by Scout.com,[8] and the #7 player by Rivals.com.[9]

While initially receiving interest from many teams, Bennett narrowed down his college choices to Oregon and UNLV. He committed to UNLV under head coach Dave Rice on May 12, 2012.

College career
During the 2012–13 UNLV Runnin' Rebels basketball season, Bennett played 35 games. While mostly starting at power forward, he would occasionally play small forward. He averaged 16.1 points and 8.1 rebounds a game despite only averaging 27.1 minutes a game due to injury. He shot 53.3% from the field overall and 37.5% from three-point range. He was extremely efficient in college, averaging a PER of 28.3.[10] Halfway through the season, Bennett was plagued with a shoulder injury.[11][better source needed] His minutes were cut to allow him to rest and he even came off the bench in a few games. After making it to the NCAA tournament, UNLV lost in the second round to California.

In April 2013, Bennett declared for the NBA draft, foregoing his final three years of college eligibility
OK. I'm just gonna assume you didn't follow bball much back then. Cavs were laughed at by everyone from taking Bennett.

And you're comparing Bennett and Carrick Feliz to these 4 guys the Sixer just drafted? :lol:
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1114 » by freewhitemoon » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:25 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:That's one hell of a haul.

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They should've kept jawun evans
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1115 » by GFreak34 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:28 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:
GFreak34 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:No, it wasn't. Everybody laughed at the Bennett pick.


First-team All-MWC (2013)
McDonald's All-American (2012)

He was the #1 forward and the #7 player overall in the high school class of 2012 according to ESPNU 100,[7] the #7 player by Scout.com,[8] and the #7 player by Rivals.com.[9]

While initially receiving interest from many teams, Bennett narrowed down his college choices to Oregon and UNLV. He committed to UNLV under head coach Dave Rice on May 12, 2012.

College career
During the 2012–13 UNLV Runnin' Rebels basketball season, Bennett played 35 games. While mostly starting at power forward, he would occasionally play small forward. He averaged 16.1 points and 8.1 rebounds a game despite only averaging 27.1 minutes a game due to injury. He shot 53.3% from the field overall and 37.5% from three-point range. He was extremely efficient in college, averaging a PER of 28.3.[10] Halfway through the season, Bennett was plagued with a shoulder injury.[11][better source needed] His minutes were cut to allow him to rest and he even came off the bench in a few games. After making it to the NCAA tournament, UNLV lost in the second round to California.

In April 2013, Bennett declared for the NBA draft, foregoing his final three years of college eligibility
OK. I'm just gonna assume you didn't follow bball much back then. Cavs were laughed at by everyone from taking Bennett.

And you're comparing Bennett and Carrick Feliz to these 4 guys the Sixer just drafted? :lol:


I m trolling man.. chill.. even if i wasn't following, this draft we saw (and the comments along - Simmons WHOA! etc) coz Giannis was a draft candidate.. Just messing around ok
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1116 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:31 pm

Moncrief was much better than Gary Payton. Moncrief could play three positions.

The only reason he lasted in the draft was because of his knees
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Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1117 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:09 pm

ackypoo wrote:the 3 years in which amare was in his prime was so much better than anyone youve mentioned its not close. he was a dominant offensive force.

youre really underselling blake. its sad. its like youve never seen him play. blakes a better offensive facilitator than sid. if i had both of them on my team, id have blake bringing the ball up and running the offense. youre also underselling his defense which is better than bad. im not going to tell you its great, but acting like sid is comparable to gary payton is equally ridiculous.


You can get similar offensive production just by having a good pg who can make the whole offense efficient, as has been proven when Blake and Amare both missed significant time and the Clippers and Suns hardly missed a beat thanks to CP3 and Nash. Losing guys like that just redistributes the scoring. They're no better than guys who are less spectacular on offense but more reliable and consistent in all other facets of the game. Marion and Deandre were slightly more important to their respective squads.

It wasn't really Sid's job to facilitate the offense, and it sure as hell isn't Blake's. There's no point in comparing them skill-by-skill anyway, because it's not an asg event. It should be all about impact. Harden hits more 3's than CP3, does that make him better? Sid did a lot of stuff better than Blake - stuff that matters a lot more than pretending to be a pg when it's not your job. He was DPOY twice, universally acknowledged as one of the best defensive guards ever, and a starting all-star - an award that hardly even takes defense into account.

He's nothing special and he's squarely in that second tier of all-stars.
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Re: RE: Re: ATL - Wilt and #27 dealt for Russell/Mozgov pg 32 

Post#1118 » by drone3 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:06 pm

GFreak34 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:That's one hell of a haul.

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That one was also considered as such
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Sixers get Bolden, they are out numbering us on the Aussie front Brett, Simmons, Bolden. We need more Aussies!
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Post#1119 » by GFreak34 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:39 pm

drone3 wrote:
GFreak34 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:That's one hell of a haul.

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That one was also considered as such
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Sixers get Bolden, they are out numbering us on the Aussie front Brett, Simmons, Bolden. We need more Aussies!


I m torn inside with us passing on Bolden..
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