ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

DrWood · Post #1101 » by **DrWood** » Fri Sep 8, 2017 10:20 pm

tydett wrote:Would be interesting to see something like the way baseball does it.

Your performance during the season gives you an escalating amount of money to spend on rookies specifically.
Lowest performing team gets the highest salary amount.
All amateur players, once they sign an agent, enter into a rookie free agent pool that can only be signed using the rookie salary allotment. If a team wants to sign 4 rookies and the rookies agree to contracts that fit within the allotment, then go for it. If a team wants to blow the whole allotment on one player, they can do that too. Or a team could carry 50% of its rookie allotment to the next season only, for an attempt to sign one of those big-league prospects.

That's not how it works in baseball. If you don't sign your #2 pick, you lose that amount of money from your allotment. You could sign your 2-4th round guys to much below the allotment and give the excess to your #1.

I really don't see much of an analogy between baseball and basketball drafts. baseball drafts 40 guys, and if they're lucky 3 of them will have major league careers.

Post #1102 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Sep 8, 2017 10:23 pm

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DrWood · Post #1103 » by **DrWood** » Fri Sep 8, 2017 10:33 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:

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Can he play safety, because they just lost a good one.
BTW, why haven't there been really tall guys playing defensive back in the NFL? Seems like a great place for basketball players who can't shoot.

Post #1104 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Sep 8, 2017 10:35 pm

DrWood wrote:Seems like a great place for basketball players who can't shoot.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1105 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Fri Sep 8, 2017 10:59 pm

DrWood wrote:Why haven't there been really tall guys playing defensive back in the NFL? Seems like a great place for basketball players who can't shoot.

To be a DB in the NFL, you need speed, quickness, and elite agility in order to keep up with the wideouts. Tall players can have great straight line speed, but often have difficulty changing direction. It's similar to why you rarely see tall runningbacks or returners.

Pachinko_ · Post #1106 » by **Pachinko_** » Sat Sep 9, 2017 4:01 am

Ntilikina looks like a small Giannis with a jumpshot

Watch on YouTube

I think there's a chance the Knicks won't be terrible this year, not because of this kid (too young) but the roster is coming together a little bit. The 3 Euros + Baker should be a little better this year, and Hardwaway might be overpaid but he's very nice to have on the floor. Terrible defense of course but with Rose gone it could be a little less terrible, and between Melo, KP, Beasley and Hardaway they should have more solutions in offense now that the triangle is gone.
Losing Rose and Phil should bring some much needed peace and stability too.
Also, terrible east.

HKPackFan · Post #1107 » by **HKPackFan** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:08 am

I was speed reading through this thread and saw KD going from GOAT Top 20 list, to pussy, to Beverly Hills Celeb Dr., to rapist.

I agree KD did something kinda douchie. But I don't hate him for it, but it did make him a nice villain for sports, GS are unstoppable Nazgul who eat little hobbits as snacks. It's a fun narrative and yet frustrating to root against a team like that, but very rewarding if they can ever be stopped.

He did tip the competitive balance of power in the sport, it's his prerogative, but it sucks for the rest of the league and for a lot of NBA fans.

Star players have jumped onto winner bandwagons before, but he did it in an extreme way that's never been seen before. (Thus why people have said he has crossed the to be or not to be pussy threshold).

#1) Jumping onto the team that beat him when he lead one of the few teams that could stand up to them. (Going from heroic leader facing tremendous odds, to a few weeks later a bandwagon ring chaser).
#2) A top 20 GOAT IN HIS PEAK, jumping onto the winningest team in history already full of superstars.

His heroic image goes from this:

To this:

But hey, it's FA he's free to do what he wants. So it's fine. And people are free to call him a pussy, they have a right to critique his decision. And I'm sure he's happy to polish his ring with their tears.

Let's just hope a new hero awakens:

Post #1108 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:46 pm

Not much going on right now so let's kick around the new lottery proposal.

The three highest lottery seeds would each be allocated 14% odds to win the lottery, compared to the 25%, 19.9% and 15.6% for those three teams in the current lottery system. The odds for the remaining lottery teams will decrease more smoothly.

- The lottery will determine four picks instead of three.

- The new lottery system wouldn't start until the 2019 draft.

The proposal could be voted upon by the owners in September.

I'm fine with this. Some earlier proposals I read had given a shot at the top picks to ALL teams. That would have been absurd.

HurricaneKid · Post #1109 » by **HurricaneKid** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:57 pm

That's just waaaay too low. A 1 in 7 chance of getting the top pick if you are the worst team in the history of the game?

Just hit up bad teams for losing other owners money at the gate, TV, etc and maybe use the records at the 60 game mark for lottery calculation purposes.

I am a little curious how this will be received. Silver got a pretty harsh rebuke last year with a similar proposal.

Ron Swanson · Post #1110 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:06 pm

Yeah, all of these lottery reform proposals only end up penalizing the truly bad teams. Operating under the assumption that every bad team is tanking is just a dangerous precedent to set.

crkone · Post #1111 » by **crkone** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:18 pm

This won't help tanking per se but if the final goal is to spread out the talent in the league, how about devising some formula that accounts for STATS!! that doesn't let teams sign unrestricted FAs or teams trade players to teams if they already have a player or two on their team that is above this STATS!! threshold? Something like you can't sign a player or trade for a player with an average RPM over 4 for the past 3 seasons if you already have a player on your team that satisfies this. Resigning your own players is fine though. Obviously there would have to be a more comprehensive formula for this.

Nowak008 · Post #1112 » by **Nowak008** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:23 pm

I'd like to see chopping off the 8th seed for the playoffs and giving the team in each conference with the #1 seed a bye. Gives the teams at the top incentive to try hard and would make the battle for the playoffs much more interesting.

They gotta do something about the regular season.

Post #1113 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:12 pm

Interesting idea

Post #1114 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:17 pm

Woj and Zach Lowe talked about this on their pod from last week. Was a good 20 minute discussion.

Both guys noted that the prior lotto "reform" proposal in 2014 looked to be headed to a 29-1 approval (Philly as holdout) but then at the last minute the small market teams lobbied hard and eventually got enough to make the final margin 17-13 which wasn't enough to pass (need 23 votes).

Lowe spoke a lot about how the small markets feel like the lotto is the only way they can get top tier talent.

So the question is can/will the small markets get 8 small market teams to veto it?

midranger · Post #1115 » by **midranger** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:43 pm

Why can't the worst team just get the first pick and so forth?

Seems like a lot of the second half of the season even teams 10-15 are tanking trying improve their lotto odds. They should be fighting for the playoffs knowing their isn't even the slightest chance of a top 5 pick.

Post #1116 » by **Prez** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:47 pm

Porzingis is going to be amazing this year.

Spoiler:

trwi7 · Post #1117 » by **trwi7** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:53 pm

midranger wrote:Why can't the worst team just get the first pick and so forth?

Seems like a lot of the second half of the season even teams 10-15 are tanking trying improve their lotto odds. They should be fighting for the playoffs knowing their isn't even the slightest chance of a top 5 pick.

Totally fine with this. They do it in the NFL and MLB. And you're exactly right, teams may still try to suck against direct competitors but the 6th worst team isn't going to be outright tanking and sitting players if they're 15 games behind the worst team with no chance to catch them and no chance to move up in the draft.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1118 » by **coolhandluke121** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, all of these lottery reform proposals only end up penalizing the truly bad teams. Operating under the assumption that every bad team is tanking is just a dangerous precedent to set.

Totally unfair to the fans of those teams, too. There's no way around letting the worst teams draft higher. In a sport where superstars make such a difference and where it's by nature hard to achieve parity (it's usually obvious by the time the playoffs start who the best teams are, and the better team usually wins a playoff series), you're going to race to the top of the draft. The NFL is more about depth than superstardom, and anybody in the playoffs has at least a chance of winning a title. Same in MLB, and they have the additional issue of it being harder to project greatness that far in advance.

The NBA just has to accept teams bottoming out IMO. They should just reduce the number of games so tanking doesn't go on for 40-50 games. They could also have shorter series so that lesser teams have a chance of stealing a series in the playoffs. But we know they're not going to do those things.

M-C-G · Post #1119 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:16 pm

Expand the playoffs, give the first two seeds a bye in each conference, then have the lottery teams play a double elimination tournament, with the winner getting the first pick. That way there wouldn't be an incentive to tank per se and bottoming out your roster doesn't really happen, because you still want to be the best of the worst.

DingleJerry · Post #1120 » by **DingleJerry** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:20 pm

M-C-G wrote:Expand the playoffs, give the first two seeds a bye in each conference, then have the lottery teams play a double elimination tournament, with the winner getting the first pick. That way there wouldn't be an incentive to tank per se and bottoming out your roster doesn't really happen, because you still want to be the best of the worst.

Simmons has a similar tournament idea. Problem here is if you're the 6-8 seed you essentially know you have no shot at winning it all, but a great chance at winning the tournament. So you'd see mid level team intentionally sitting their guys at the end of the year to intentionally miss the playoffs. That might be worse than just having some crappy teams, like now and like in every sport.