Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

[LuessiT]

Would Bogdanovic really be good enough here to justify trading the Pacers pick (much less resigning him in the offseason)?

At least he's restricted, unlike Bertrans.

DJ Wilson + Bender + Korver (or Brown or Pat or Thanos) gets us to enough salary to acquire a player in that salary range.

If Budenholzer doesn't really like DJ so much maybe his salary ends up anchoring that kind of package -- where the Pacers pick is really the only thing that matters.

My problem with Bogdan is that I don't think he starts over Wes. He's overall a better player but Wes is a better fit with the starters and Bogdan with the bench. So he ends up being a 6th/7th man that may get out of our price range in the offseason. If we're giving up serious assets I want more than that out of an addition.

My priority would still be Jrue Holiday if available. If not for not for him I'd look for versatile defenders with shooting and or playmaking skills. Covington, Winslow, Ntilikina, O'Neale, etc. And if none is available at the right price just roll with the roster we got.

[bucksfansince88]

What would’ve been the cost of keeping the TPE i really don’t understand why it was renounced

[Prez]

All in on loading up the roster with plus or at least neutral defenders. If we don't have that legit #2 star I want zero weak points on defense come playoffs. Redick would be cool I guess but we should be looking more at (healthy) Roco type guys

[LuessiT]

What would’ve been the cost of keeping the TPE i really don’t understand why it was renounced

Would have needed to clear ~1.4m on the Hill/Lopez deals iirc. The easiest avenue would have been to add unlikely incentives to reduce the cap numbers. I'm assuming Horst agreed to contract numbers ahead of time and didn't want to renegotiate.

[WRau1]

What would’ve been the cost of keeping the TPE i really don’t understand why it was renounced

Would have needed to clear ~1.4m on the Hill/Lopez deals iirc. The easiest avenue would have been to add unlikely incentives to reduce the cap numbers. I'm assuming Horst agreed to contract numbers ahead of time and didn't want to renegotiate.

That's exactly the reason. While in theory it would appear easy enough to approach Lopez or Hill and ask for a slight amendment to one/both of their deals, it sets a bad precedent. You'd think with a board full of successful adults, more would understand that.

[LuessiT]

What would’ve been the cost of keeping the TPE i really don’t understand why it was renounced

Would have needed to clear ~1.4m on the Hill/Lopez deals iirc. The easiest avenue would have been to add unlikely incentives to reduce the cap numbers. I'm assuming Horst agreed to contract numbers ahead of time and didn't want to renegotiate.

That's exactly the reason. While in theory it would appear easy enough to approach Lopez or Hill and ask for a slight amendment to one/both it their deals, it sets a bad precedent. You'd think with a board full of successful adults, more would understand that.

I mean with the way unlikely incentives work you could have found a way to do it if you really wanted to. Would have to pay either or both more overall to make them go for it.

[raferfenix]

My problem with Bogdan is that I don't think he starts over Wes. He's overall a better player but Wes is a better fit with the starters and Bogdan with the bench. So he ends up being a 6th/7th man that may get out of our price range in the offseason. If we're giving up serious assets I want more than that out of an addition.

My priority would still be Jrue Holiday if available. If not for not for him I'd look for versatile defenders with shooting and or playmaking skills. Covington, Winslow, Ntilikina, O'Neale, etc. And if none is available at the right price just roll with the roster we got.

Yeah if Bogdan isn't a clear starter I don't deal a 1st for him.

Would you be putting Bledsoe on the table to get Jrue, or how do you make those contracts work?

If the Bucks are spooked about Bledsoe's nerves in the playoffs that could be a consideration.

But is Holiday a big enough of an upgrade to justify having to include the other pieces we'd need to?

[thomchatt3rton]

Bledsoe is worth more than Love to the Bucks.

Not come playoff time.

I'm taking Bledsoe's defense with zero offensive contributions over Love. Anything Bledsoe provides on offense is a bonus. Love may single handedly tank this defense.

Not only that, but we can’t afford to lose a major ball-handler without getting one back in return.

Bled for Love would seriously stagnate our offense.


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[LuessiT]

My problem with Bogdan is that I don't think he starts over Wes. He's overall a better player but Wes is a better fit with the starters and Bogdan with the bench. So he ends up being a 6th/7th man that may get out of our price range in the offseason. If we're giving up serious assets I want more than that out of an addition.

My priority would still be Jrue Holiday if available. If not for not for him I'd look for versatile defenders with shooting and or playmaking skills. Covington, Winslow, Ntilikina, O'Neale, etc. And if none is available at the right price just roll with the roster we got.

Yeah if Bogdan isn't a clear starter I don't deal a 1st for him.

Would you be putting Bledsoe on the table to get Jrue, or how do you make those contracts work?

If the Bucks are spooked about Bledsoe's nerves in the playoffs that could be a consideration.

But is Holiday a big enough of an upgrade to justify having to include the other pieces we'd need to?

Either Bledsoe or Middleton but preferably Middleton imo. But yeah I do think he's enough of an upgrade but that is obviously debatable. I want to see Harden facing a backcourt of Bledsoe/Holiday.

[raferfenix]

Either Bledsoe or Middleton but preferably Middleton imo. But yeah I do think he's enough of an upgrade but that is obviously debatable. I want to see Harden facing a backcourt of Bledsoe/Holiday.

Ha, well, this winning streak is cresting with Middleton but he certainly didn't kick it off.

He can't be dealt until Jan. 13 but it's not like our team needs to rush to save the season.

If we were to put Middleton on the table it wouldn't be so hard for the Pelicans to offer up Holiday as well as Redick if we wanted both.

Matthews, Brown, and Pat would have to move to the 3 predominantly either way.

[neiLz]

His shot has been falling lately and his defense is underrated. Im really loving the Wes signing.

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[4xBuck]

@KanePitman
NBA tracking data shows Wes Matthews defended Kawhi Leonard on 21.0 partial poss yesterday.

In that time, Leonard: 0 points, 0-4 FG, 1 TO.

On opening night, Wes guarded James Harden on 19.1 partial poss.

In that time, Harden: 0 points, 0-6 FG, 2 TO's.

Bud trusts Wes.

That's amazing. That'll be very important in the playoffs.

For some reason, I totally missed this about Mathews game. It's like last year when I realized that Brook really was an excellent team rebounder... I heard Mathews could play some tough defense on top wings, but I didn't buy into it.

It's really cool when you're wrong in a great way.

[slos]

My problem with Bogdan is that I don't think he starts over Wes. He's overall a better player but Wes is a better fit with the starters and Bogdan with the bench. So he ends up being a 6th/7th man that may get out of our price range in the offseason. If we're giving up serious assets I want more than that out of an addition.

My priority would still be Jrue Holiday if available. If not for not for him I'd look for versatile defenders with shooting and or playmaking skills. Covington, Winslow, Ntilikina, O'Neale, etc. And if none is available at the right price just roll with the roster we got.

That's a good point for Matthews and Bogdanovic. Still I would have zero hesitation to trade the Indy pick for Bogdan. Add Ilyasova to match the salaries, Sacramento can have Brown if this feels light for them.

Bledsoe (30)/Hill (18)
Matthews (22)/Bogdanovic (22)/Hill (4)
Middleton (34)/DiVincenzo (14)
Giannis (38)/Wilson (10)
Lopez (30)/Lopez (18)

Something like that would be the 10 player rotation in the playoffs. If you have an injury you can play Bogdan and DDV more and make it 9 player rotation. And you still have Pat and Korver as insurance. Losing Ersan sucks, but having Wilson in limited minutes bringing that energy is a good thing.

Bogdanovic should be OK with his role, because he will have it now in a team that is trying to win it all. He will start and play more next year, when Wes will be 34. Probably this delay will hurt Bogdan since it is his contract year. But it will work for the Bucks, right? And even if Bogdan gets a big offer that we don't want to match, there is always the option to s/t just like Brogdon and get that FRP back.

[German Athens]

yeah, I agree with others in favor of a Jrue trade. While i would be worried about a chemistry mess up, I think that would be unlikely with the culture we have already established on the team. Would bledsoe, sterling, and the 2024 and 2026 first round picks be reasonable?

We might have to add ersan or rolo into the trade to make the money line up. That would be a lot, but I think jrue would make us a better team with similar strengths and weaknesses to what we currently have. I think, like bledsoe, he's great defensively and has some limitations as a shooter, but he would be a slightly improved shooter with more ability to shoot off the bounce (i.e. less of a set shot), a defensive terror with more of an ability to guard wings, and he seems to be a higher IQ player that you'd trust more in the playoffs. Can anyone confirm that last point for me, though? i know he had a monster playoffs 2 seasons ago, but I don't watch him frequently enough to be able to say that without more certainty.

I think if he is the higher IQ player of bledsoe that he is in my mind, he would be the player that could put us over the top. Bledsoe with a brain is a dangerous, dangerous player - I don't think that player is actually bledsoe, though. We might as well acquire the closest player to it.

[tedbrogen]

Bledsoe does seem to be playing smarter lately or at least more comfortable in the offense. He had a couple great bounce passes to Giannis and DDV last night after he drove and help came. He has seemed to take what the defense is giving him and not force it.

I think we often forget that the more players play with each other and in the same system, the more they get that chemistry of knowing where each other will be at on both ends of the court. It's why the team wasn't fully clicking at the start of the season.

So, not sure I would toss away the chemistry and comfort levels to maayyybe upgrade Bledsoe's defense for someone who isn't a great shooter either. Not to mention, toss in extra assets.

If Bledsoe mentally implodes in the playoffs this year, Hill and DDV get more minutes. DDV can easily be the point when Giannis is on the court.

[wallus]

If we were to acquire Bogdan for Ersan, Sterling and Indy's 1st, would we be able to realistically re-sign him in the offseason with our cap situation?

[kid idioteque]

Just about everyone on the roster can contribute come playoff time. That's crazy.

No trades unless it's a "can't say no" kind of deal, please.

Maybe in a few months some useful vet will be bought out and want to come play for us.

[kid idioteque]

I wouldn't hesitate to move picks along with Sterling or Wes or Ersan (although everyone knows Ersan will singlehandedly win us a playoff game if given the chance) but there's no sense of urgency to do anything at all.

All the other contenders are going to have to add pieces because their benches don't match up to ours. We're in such a good spot.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I wouldn't hesitate to move picks along with Sterling or Wes or Ersan (although everyone knows Ersan will singlehandedly win us a playoff game if given the chance) but there's no sense of urgency to do anything at all.

All the other contenders are going to have to add pieces because their benches don't match up to ours. We're in such a good spot.

I think that we would definitely have to get one of those "can't believe we got offered this" deals. DDV has moved into untradeable territory for me. Ersan and Sterling are certainly easier for me to deal with moving mentally. Wes has been fantastic defensively.

[tedbrogen]

If we were to acquire Bogdan for Ersan, Sterling and Indy's 1st, would we be able to realistically re-sign him in the offseason with our cap situation?

They already decided against going into the luxury tax for a non-superstar last off-season, so I can't see them deciding to suddenly do so this off-season when they will be in the tax permanently when Giannis' super max kicks in the year after next.