ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

[chonestown]

Fully support Morey, players are out of control and its time to grind Simmons down into submission or have him sit out what should be the prime years of his career. The league needs to intervene so players with 4 years on their contracts aren't demanding trades, the pendulum has to swing back.

Some thrill to see the greatest athletes in the world. Me, I live for the actuaries and cases of nepotism.

[Plossum]

Would you guys rather have Jrue or Simmons?

Seriously?

It's Jrue 10/10.

Dislike everything off-court about him, but I really, really like Simmons the player.

This might sounds weird, but it takes more than just talent to be a good NBA player. I think you can argue Simmons is more talented than Jrue, but Jrue is wayyyy tougher both physically and mentally which counts for a lot. I don't think Simmons is serious about becoming a great player, which is a shame because he has the tools to be an MVP level player.

[ReasonablySober]

Seriously?

It's Jrue 10/10.

Dislike everything off-court about him, but I really, really like Simmons the player.

This might sounds weird, but it takes more than just talent to be a good NBA player. I think you can argue Simmons is more talented than Jrue, but Jrue is wayyyy tougher both physically and mentally which counts for a lot. I don't think Simmons is serious about becoming a great player, which is a shame because he has the tools to be an MVP level player.

For the record, I'm not even saying I'd 100% trade Jrue for Simmons. Not when I think the Bucks are prime to defend, at least.

But I also think he's already a great player, and if he's the Bucks 3rd or 4th offensive option then they're a lock to be title favorites throughout Giannis's prime. I'd trust Bud to figure out how to make the lineups work.

[drone3]

NBA needs to up there sports psychology game. Ben seems like he just lacks the maturity to deal with the scenario.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anthony Davis making the top 75 is an interesting choice. Of course when his career is done he could be worthy but as of right this moment it's a stretch.

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[emunney]

Would you guys rather have Jrue or Simmons?

Seriously?

It's Jrue 10/10.

Dislike everything off-court about him, but I really, really like Simmons the player.

Starting from scratch, Simmons, but I wouldn't trade Jrue for Simmons, and not because Simmons has "depressed trade value".

[ReasonablySober]

Read on Twitter

Enjoyable.

[StickeeFingaz]

Trae just tried one of his patented moves and the refs didn't call the foul. I'm really liking how refs are calling games so far.

[emunney]

Anthony Davis making the top 75 is an interesting choice. Of course when his career is done he could be worthy but as of right this moment it's a stretch.

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I don't know, I don't think it is. You wouldn't have him in your 30 best bigs? I see a number of guys on the list I'd easily take him over.

[MickeyDavis]

Looks like about 500 people in Atlanta

[Milbucks96]

Anthony Davis making the top 75 is an interesting choice. Of course when his career is done he could be worthy but as of right this moment it's a stretch.

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AD is fine if you add in the ring. He has plenty first team all nba/defense, been an all star almost every year. Dame is a real bad pick. He has no business getting in over Dwight Howard or even Jokic, he wasn’t even on my radar coming in.

[ReasonablySober]

Howard not getting in is a really, really bad omission.

[Pachinko_]

Dislike everything off-court about him, but I really, really like Simmons the player.

This might sounds weird, but it takes more than just talent to be a good NBA player. I think you can argue Simmons is more talented than Jrue, but Jrue is wayyyy tougher both physically and mentally which counts for a lot. I don't think Simmons is serious about becoming a great player, which is a shame because he has the tools to be an MVP level player.

For the record, I'm not even saying I'd 100% trade Jrue for Simmons. Not when I think the Bucks are prime to defend, at least.

But I also think he's already a great player, and if he's the Bucks 3rd or 4th offensive option then they're a lock to be title favorites throughout Giannis's prime. I'd trust Bud to figure out how to make the lineups work.

Man, trust me, if I know a little bit about you from your reactions here, Simmons would drive you bananas.
One playoff series of him passing on every shot, bricking free throws and avoiding touching the ball in case they hack him, and you would be 100% ready to send him to China.

[blazza18]

Total **** show from the NBA with how they did this top 75 thing.

[Pachinko_]

Reddish reminds me of young Kawhi a little bit, minus Kawhi's king kong strength of course. But if he's a workaholic he can be special pretty soon.

[ReasonablySober]

This might sounds weird, but it takes more than just talent to be a good NBA player. I think you can argue Simmons is more talented than Jrue, but Jrue is wayyyy tougher both physically and mentally which counts for a lot. I don't think Simmons is serious about becoming a great player, which is a shame because he has the tools to be an MVP level player.

For the record, I'm not even saying I'd 100% trade Jrue for Simmons. Not when I think the Bucks are prime to defend, at least.

But I also think he's already a great player, and if he's the Bucks 3rd or 4th offensive option then they're a lock to be title favorites throughout Giannis's prime. I'd trust Bud to figure out how to make the lineups work.

Man, trust me, if I know a little bit about you from your reactions here, Simmons would drive you bananas.
One playoff series of him passing on every shot, bricking free throws and avoiding touching the ball in case they hack him, and you would be 100% ready to send him to China.

Nah, you can go back and read my reactions from getting bounced the previous two years. I'm always down to trade anyone in my make believe land but I don't get that upset. What I think about Simmons is some team (not the Bucks) is probably going to get an elite player for 75 cents on the dollar. It just happens that in this case those role players would probably fit better on Philly than the elite talent Simmons is.

[Pachinko_]

Nah, you can go back and read my reactions from getting bounced the previous two years. I'm always down to trade anyone in my make believe land but I don't get that upset. What I think about Simmons is some team (not the Bucks) is probably going to get an elite player for 75 cents on the dollar. It just happens that in this case those role players would probably fit better on Philly than the elite talent Simmons is.

Remember the problem we had building an efficient team with Giannis when his game was still too one-sided? All the talk about surrounding him with shooters etc. Well we did improve on that, but we never really did actually solve it, what happened in the end is that Giannis changed enough to put us over the line.

Simmons presents the same problem but much worse, because he's just nowhere near Giannis's calibre. And on top of that he just fkn won't listen to anyone, we're talking Kyrie level stubbornness. So what does it matter if he's elite or not if he's damn near impossible to work with?

[DingleJerry]

For Dame/AD specific to vs Jokic talk above. Have to remember they've played 3-4 more years. Not easy to get on a list like this with only like 5-6 seasons of play. For AD, I just so dislike it's tough for me to say much positive but yea his peak play with NO was pretty bonkers and now got this title and they're probably projecting a bit for him being the lead star for LA the next chunk of years.

I'd have to dig into it all and of course career accomplishments is probably a bigger factor here than purely 'who was/is the better player'. Obviously Steph is the better career accomplishments by far and all would immediately say he's automatic on this list if not top 20. Dame is basically one tick less than him as a player but on a worse team so doesn't have nearly the career accomplishments. I'm sure there's plenty of people I'd take off before Dame. Dame's already at 17K points, he'd have to get hurt not to end up top 20 in points. And he's been lead guy on playoff teams his whole career with lots of big playoff moments.

Dwight, yea he's had a full career and an MVP. Guessing he was hurt by all the drama BS he pulled after Orl and that his career fell off so hard. He had a 4-5 year elite window in Orl then sharply declined and became an issue/headcase. I suppose some of the projection types like AD/Dame who are still active could have a similar fall off or crash that makes them undeserving here, but they know Dwight did have it (if they picked this in say 2013 he probably makes it though as they'd assume he'd continue to be very good). I haven't nitpicked the whole thing but I'd guess it's skewed to bucket getters/lead guys too rather than D specialists like Howard in his prime. This is also probably a bit of a marketing/PR thing and I think Dwight at this point gets big negative points on all that stuff.

[ReasonablySober]

Melo over Dwight is the big f*ck-up.

[brettski]

Trae and Luka still falling and flailing.