Giannis with NT Greece

Nightfall · Post #1121 » by **Nightfall** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:22 pm

Well in a few years the team will be :

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Thanassis Antetokounmpo
Kostas Antetokounmpo

let's hope that Alexis Antetokounmpo stays a bit shorter because we need a greek freak PG :lol:

and we will dominate no matter who the other 8 or the coach is :biggrin:

Joke aside now, I am eager to see Giannis playing this season with the new team. With such a great team he will shine and help the other shine too. Apart from getting them results , I hope for a great show (and make the sleepless nights worth even more...)

chonestown · Post #1122 » by **chonestown** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:43 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
Nightfall wrote:Someone posted this at the comments of M.Bucks Facebook page (and I want it badly on T-Shirt ):

uhm it is a t-shirt

http://www.teecartel.net/collections/stash-house/products/greek-freak

Agreed. It would look good on a shirt.

Whiteman · Post #1123 » by **Whiteman** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:55 pm

Miroslav Raduljica vs Jiri Welsch right now. This Eurobasket tournament has it all.

HurricaneKid · Post #1124 » by **HurricaneKid** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:58 pm

That was one of the more frustrating basketball games I've endured. It was old timey HS ball where the Seniors freeze out the clearly better underclassmen. How the coach failed to make adjustments when VSpan was having trouble with Spain's length, was a nightmare defensively, and Giannis was clearly carrying the squad for massive parts of the 3rd, is kiddy coaching.

I don't want to offend our Greek guests but it was as poor an allocation of ball usage as I have seen. I mean I haven't even seen it in middle school AAU when I was active in that.

Ball don't lie. And thats the beauty about the game: the cream always rises. The market corrects itself when the team is underutilizing assets and overutilizing others. But the coach made no corrections. It used an inefficient chucker as its primary engine offensively. There is no denying who the best player was for Greece yesterday. And the fact that he was barely even acknowledged offensively is absurd. Especially when an injured 2 guard (at least he used to be) was guarding him for massive minutes.

Badgerlander · Post #1125 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:58 pm

chonestown wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
Nightfall wrote:Someone posted this at the comments of M.Bucks Facebook page (and I want it badly on T-Shirt ):

uhm it is a t-shirt

http://www.teecartel.net/collections/stash-house/products/greek-freak

Agreed. It would look good on a shirt.

THATS WHAT IT IS!!! $27.99

bigkurty · Post #1126 » by **bigkurty** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:12 pm

^^ Lol, if only that shirt were real. I would totally order it :wink:

imithanos · Post #1127 » by **imithanos** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:05 pm

I apologize to all of you (even Presence) for the previous comments. I generalize many and without a strong cause.
It's obvious you care about Giannis, rather than the Greek NT. But you have to understand us, that yesterday we cared to win regardless who would lead us to that. We blame everybody for the defeat and we were sad about it. Not because the retards (or other insult) didn't try to play through Giannis.

As for the defeat yesterday I blame our coach mostly. He knew that in the 1/4-finals we would play against Spain or Serbia and still we were sooooooooo much unprepared for this game. Our centers are slow and suck on PnR defense. Gasol had a party in our basket yesterday. No counter move there. And on offense? Spain plays a zone-type defense in order to keep Gasol fresh. He stays in the middle and the others around him are closing the basket to help. Did you look how many palyers were around Giannis after he was getting an off.rebound? The moment we couldnt space the floor was another factor that influenced the game. And we are a team that feeds the big men(another reason why our SF position sucks). Yesterday Gasol finished the game with 0 fouls.

Sadly our coach didn't have the balls to trust more players and leave Spanoulis or Calathes to the bench. Especially at the 4Q. The famous solutions in our bench stayed right there. Players like Mantzaris (starter of this season's Euroleugue's finalist) or Papanikolaou must have felt worse than Giannis. They barely played in this tournament.

As for Giannis and the circumstances around him you have to think from another point of view. At least that is what I try to do. I think it was difficult for him to force himself lead the team when the coach wants the most experienced guys for that role. Although atm he is probaly the player with the biggest playing time in our NT. And that speaks about how valuable he already is.

Another thing is Spanoulis and Zisis. Giannis 5 years ago would probably watch games of these two and ask an autograph if he had met them. It's a matter of respect. Consider A.Davis next year demanding the ball from LeBron in the USA team. Unless the coach plans some plays for Giannis or give him the clearness to shoot and have the ball more, he just can't disrespect hhis teammates. He is not that kind of person. That's at least what I get from him. It's a good thing that Kidd trusts Giannis and pushes him to be more aggressive. I hope this season Giannis will prove everyone that he is capable of being the star in our NT even at the age of 21. Regardless if we have the same or another coach.

The players take also a lot of the blame for yesterday's game. The seemed unprepared for a tough game and lacked mentality. Especially on the 4th Q. I can't remember anyone except Giannis that played with clear mind and without fear.. :nonono:

Buck Dweller · Post #1128 » by **Buck Dweller** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:42 pm

So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Post #1129 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:45 pm

BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Confidence in his three pointer, I'm guessing. If he brings that back the trip was clearly worth it.

H2tObes · Post #1130 » by **H2tObes** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:10 pm

BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Really confused how he has "wasted" 2 months. His 3 point shot has clearly improved and he got to prove it in a competitive setting. Would he have not "wasted" these last two months if he was in the U.S. playing pickup games where no defense is played? I'm honestly really curious what you mean, what did you want him to be doing? He is practicing everyday playing for his national team.

Also, can we have some respect for the Greece? Playing for Greece is a huge deal for Giannis. The world doesnt revolve around the U.S., I hope Giannis plays for his national team until he retires.

M-C-G · Post #1131 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:23 pm

H2tObes wrote:
BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Really confused how he has "wasted" 2 months. His 3 point shot has clearly improved and he got to prove it in a competitive setting. Would he have not "wasted" these last two months if he was in the U.S. playing pickup games where no defense is played? I'm honestly really curious what you mean, what did you want him to be doing? He is practicing everyday playing for his national team.

Also, can we have some respect for the Greece? Playing for Greece is a huge deal for Giannis. The world doesnt revolve around the U.S., I hope Giannis plays for his national team until he retires.

It is a bit amazing that he has been practicing with the National Team and on top of that spending extra time working on his three point shot and the drills he got from the Bucks staff and people are questioning it. ****, five years ago we had Brandon Jennings do ecstacy and playing at Rucker park and no one was that concerned in the "Is Jennings having too much fun this summer" thread. I think people are just getting nit picky now and holding Giannis to a ridiculously high standard.

Dcebucks11 · Post #1132 » by **Dcebucks11** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:25 pm

BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

emunney · Post #1133 » by **emunney** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:50 pm

I had a dream that that Greek Freak logo thing was on a shirt. Man if only.

Jez2983 · Post #1134 » by **Jez2983** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:10 pm

emunney wrote:I had a dream that that Greek Freak logo thing was on a shirt. Man if only.

How much would you pay for such a thing? There's no way I'd pay more than $28.

Bucknado · Post #1135 » by **Bucknado** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:45 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
chonestown wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
uhm it is a t-shirt

http://www.teecartel.net/collections/stash-house/products/greek-freak

Agreed. It would look good on a shirt.

THATS WHAT IT IS!!! $27.99

Anyone know if this shirt is available on a shirt?

MiltownHawkeye · Post #1136 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:06 pm

BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Would it be different if Greece ended up winning?

MiltownHawkeye · Post #1137 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:08 pm

What is Giannis' final percentage on 3s for the tournament?

RealBucksFan · Post #1138 » by **RealBucksFan** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:12 pm

I think getting a chance to get confident in his outside shot in actual competition, with actual stakes, probably will help Giannis a lot more than any practice he would have gotten in the states. Getting a chance to be a part of a veteran, competitive team in international competition can only help Giannis.

And game reps are going to be really important for Giannis. Getting a chance to try out his new shot in game situations and to gain confidence by seeing his shots go in is way better than only working with the Bucks' training staff. Because that did happen this offseason and obviously Giannis's time spent with Oppenheimer and the Bucks' coaches was hugely successful. I mean, the results speak for themselves - Giannis dramatically improved his physique and made progress with his jump shot as well this offseason.

Buck Dweller · Post #1139 » by **Buck Dweller** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:32 pm

H2tObes wrote:
BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Really confused how he has "wasted" 2 months. His 3 point shot has clearly improved and he got to prove it in a competitive setting. Would he have not "wasted" these last two months if he was in the U.S. playing pickup games where no defense is played? I'm honestly really curious what you mean, what did you want him to be doing? He is practicing everyday playing for his national team.

Also, can we have some respect for the Greece? Playing for Greece is a huge deal for Giannis. The world doesnt revolve around the U.S., I hope Giannis plays for his national team until he retires.

Are we all just going to ignore the fact that Euro threes are almost 2 feet shorter than NBA threes here? Thats a big difference and its very close to the deep 2s he made at the same rate at the end of last season. Its positive that he was making them of course, I'm just saying a low sample size of euro threes isn't really enough for me to say he "clearly" improved significantly in that regard.

My point also had to do with the fact that Greece decided to roll with a seniority complex where Giannis was basically used as a spot up shooter and a garbage point scorer. I thought that was implied because we were previously discussing it. His teammates ignoring him is why I brought this up again.

As far as what I want him to do instead? Well, I'd prefer him to be here training in Milwaukee with NBA caliber coaches, working on pick and roll, shooting thousands of jump shots, working on post moves, adding some dribble moves to his arsenal, work on positioning, stuff like that. Not playing behind some teammates who ignore him while at a higher risk for injury. I'd like him to get accustomed to handling the ball in the pick and roll, being the roll man in the pick and roll, too.

Basically, I want him to completely define his offensive game because that is what will ultimately make him a star. And that happens by practicing non-stop with NBA coaches until it becomes habit. And you might say, "well, he needs to practice it in games too!", you're right, thats what the 82 regular season games are for. And not to mention that again, Giannis wasn't even utilized in situations like these in the national games which is why I brought this up.

And no, this isn't some "everything revolves around the USA" type-stuff. I've said in the past that I will fully support Giannis playing with Greece, after he's undergone more development with the team that pays him first. If Jabari is out there with Team USA next summer, I'll oppose that wholeheartedly as well.

Buck Dweller · Post #1140 » by **Buck Dweller** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:34 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:
BucksIn6ix wrote:So now that this is over, let me ask the people go disputed this with me before the tournament started...what exactly did Giannis gain from this again?

He just straight up wasted like 2 months of his career and luckily he didn't get injured while doing it.

Would it be different if Greece ended up winning?

Yes, it would. Because that would mean Giannis wouldn't have to play in the pre-olympic tournament next summer, at least I think thats what the Greeks said.