2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

machu46 · Post #1121 » by **machu46** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:16 pm

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19638855/ranking-markelle-fultz-lonzo-ball-top-prospects-2017-nba-draft-statistical-projections-kevin-pelton

Kevin Pelton's annual rankings based on his WARP projections (also factors in Chad Ford's Big Board). I bolded guys that I believe are projected to be 2nd round picks.

1. Lonzo Ball
2. Markelle Fultz
3. Jonathan Isaac
4. Dennis Smith
5. Zach Collins
6. Josh Jackson
7. OG Anunoby
8. Jayson Tatum
9. Lauri Markkanen
10. De'Aaron Fox
11. John Collins
12. Tony Bradley
13. Frank Ntilkina
14. Malik Monk
15. Monte Morris
16. Josh Hart
17. Ike Anigbogu
18. Donovan Mitchell
19. Justin Patton
20. Luke Kennard
21. Tyler Lydon
22. Alec Peters
23. TJ Leaf
24. Harry Giles
25. Jarrett Allen
26. Jeremy Morgan
27. Aleksandar Vezenkov
28. Derrick Walton
29. Anzejs Pascenik
30. Thomas Bryant

Post #1122 » by **Prez** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:28 pm

Ugh don't get my hopes up with all the Mitchell stuff

BucksFanSD · Post #1123 » by **BucksFanSD** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:23 pm

On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

emunney · Post #1124 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:25 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

That's crazy imo. Nobody in this draft has demonstrated NBA range more than Jackson.

M-C-G · Post #1125 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:32 pm

emunney wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

That's crazy imo. Nobody in this draft has demonstrated NBA range more than Jackson.

Didn't Jackson only have one good year as a shooter? I know they mentioned a change in mechanics, but I guess it is fair to have some concern over that.

BucksFanSD · Post #1126 » by **BucksFanSD** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:45 pm

emunney wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

That's crazy imo. Nobody in this draft has demonstrated NBA range more than Jackson.

Jackson's only good season from 3 was last year at 37% and that is nothing spectacular. In the NBA the 3 point line is moved back and he likely shoots below 37% from 3.

There are better 3 point shooters in this draft, such as Dorsey.

emunney · Post #1127 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:31 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:
emunney wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

That's crazy imo. Nobody in this draft has demonstrated NBA range more than Jackson.

Jackson's only good season from 3 was last year at 37% and that is nothing spectacular. In the NBA the 3 point line is moved back and he likely shoots below 37% from 3.

There are better 3 point shooters in this draft, such as Dorsey.

Dorsey *also* has demonstrated NBA range. Both guys frequently took and made shots from that range.

machu46 · Post #1128 » by **machu46** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:43 pm

For those that are interested, Kevin O'Connor (guy that did the majority of the scouting for The Ringer draft guide) is pretty much answering any questions people have regarding prospects/his draft guide on Reddit.

One of the things I asked him about was the Best Case Scenarios part since for example, DeAaron Fox has John Wall, Mike Conley, and Elfrid Payton listed as his best case scenarios. He said that it's not so much "best case scenarios" so much as it's "This prospect has elements of these players' games in him".

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6hbmrv/the_ringers_2017_nba_draft_guide/?sort=qa

BucksFanSD · Post #1129 » by **BucksFanSD** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:45 pm

Justin Jackson is college career 34% from 3. Dorsey is 42%. IMO I think we need better than what Jackson showed.

SirChurros · Post #1130 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:48 pm

emunney wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

That's crazy imo. Nobody in this draft has demonstrated NBA range more than Jackson.

Bolded is just not true.

chonestown · Post #1131 » by **chonestown** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:52 pm

machu46 wrote:For those that are interested, Kevin O'Connor (guy that did the majority of the scouting for The Ringer draft guide) is pretty much answering any questions people have regarding prospects/his draft guide on Reddit.

One of the things I asked him about was the Best Case Scenarios part since for example, DeAaron Fox has John Wall, Mike Conley, and Elfrid Payton listed as his best case scenarios. He said that it's not so much "best case scenarios" so much as it's "This prospect has elements of these players' games in him".

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6hbmrv/the_ringers_2017_nba_draft_guide/?sort=qa

So the thing isn't the thing it's denoted as. SMH

emunney · Post #1132 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:01 pm

Have It All wrote:
emunney wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:On that list above, Tony Bradley stands out since he was a freshman.

Regarding Justin Jackson, I don't trust him as a NBA 3 point shooter. On this team, if you play position 1, 2, or 3, you need to be successful from behind the arc.

That's crazy imo. Nobody in this draft has demonstrated NBA range more than Jackson.

Bolded is just not true.

So you agree it's crazy?

machu46 · Post #1133 » by **machu46** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:03 pm

chonestown wrote:
machu46 wrote:For those that are interested, Kevin O'Connor (guy that did the majority of the scouting for The Ringer draft guide) is pretty much answering any questions people have regarding prospects/his draft guide on Reddit.

One of the things I asked him about was the Best Case Scenarios part since for example, DeAaron Fox has John Wall, Mike Conley, and Elfrid Payton listed as his best case scenarios. He said that it's not so much "best case scenarios" so much as it's "This prospect has elements of these players' games in him".

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6hbmrv/the_ringers_2017_nba_draft_guide/?sort=qa

So the thing isn't the thing it's denoted as. SMH

Yeah, his exact words were "I would say it's "skill-set resembles" more than anything else. Like Fox has elements of all those guys. There's no such thing as a perfect comparison, so we gave some guys of different degrees."

M-C-G · Post #1134 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:01 pm

DX updated today, has Allen going to the Bulls, Patton to us and Ike dropping to 21 (moved BAM up to 19th)

Rockmaninoff · Post #1135 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:03 pm

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-rising-and-falling-on-the-board-derrick-white-jonah-bolden-johnathan-motley-anzejs-pasecniks-259a038e04f6

I hope we bring in Derrick White for a solo workout. After watching him and by stats, he's much more athletic than I originally thought.

I like how that Ringer piece put White in between Dellavadova and Brogdon in the size continuum. A nice bit of foreshadowing?

Excel client too I do believe.

Ron Swanson · Post #1136 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:07 pm

Jackson shot 37% from 3 on over 7 attempts per game. If you're not convinced that kind of shooting is evidence that it's translatable to the pros, then I wonder how you possibly think any college player has a translatable 3PT shot.

Ron Swanson · Post #1137 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:11 pm

Dorsey reminds me a ton of Doron Lamb. I really liked Doron Lamb coming out of Kentucky so I'm not sure what it means...

Licensed to Il · Post #1138 » by **Licensed to Il** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:15 pm

Doron Lamb needs some sort of trophy for how beloved he was by this board coming out of the draft.

Badgerlander · Post #1139 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:23 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Dorsey reminds me a ton of Doron Lamb. I really liked Doron Lamb coming out of Kentucky so I'm not sure what it means...

Reminds me of Mo Willy

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SirChurros · Post #1140 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Jackson shot 37% from 3 on over 7 attempts per game. If you're not convinced that kind of shooting is evidence that it's translatable to the pros, then I wonder how you possibly think any college player has a translatable 3PT shot.

He also only had one good year shooting the ball.

Could have improved a lot or it could be an outlier.