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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1121 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:25 pm

Gery Woelfel is the only media member who reports Bucks draft workouts. Surely he’s not the only one privy to them happening. Realize he gets info from agents and not the Bucks but...what’s up with that?
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Post#1122 » by LuessiT » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:31 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Gery Woelfel is the only media member who reports Bucks draft workouts. Surely he’s not the only one privy to them happening. Realize he gets info from agents and not the Bucks but...what’s up with that?


It's pretty common that teams don't want to leak information on who they're working out and the opposite goes for agents/draft prospects.
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Post#1123 » by emunney » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:36 pm

Has been a major change for Horst from the full access to all of Billy McKinney's opinions days. As a fan, that was fun, but this is probably slightly better basketball-wise, which also impacts me as a fan. Hope we don't spoil it by tipping our pick at the last minute or by A. Lasry posting the **** Big Board on twitter.

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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1124 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:38 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Gery Woelfel is the only media member who reports Bucks draft workouts. Surely he’s not the only one privy to them happening. Realize he gets info from agents and not the Bucks but...what’s up with that?


It's pretty common that teams don't want to leak information on who they're working out and the opposite goes for agents/draft prospects.


Oh I’m aware it’s not in the Bucks best interest to have them out. It shouldn’t align with the media’s interests. Teams vary on how much they care but other local media markets report on their teams’s workouts all the time. Gery has consistently been the only Bucks coverage to do so.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1125 » by LuessiT » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:42 pm

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Chuck Diesel wrote:Gery Woelfel is the only media member who reports Bucks draft workouts. Surely he’s not the only one privy to them happening. Realize he gets info from agents and not the Bucks but...what’s up with that?


It's pretty common that teams don't want to leak information on who they're working out and the opposite goes for agents/draft prospects.


Oh I’m aware it’s not in the Bucks best interest to have them out. It shouldn’t align with the media’s interests. Teams vary on how much they care but other local media markets report on their teams’s workouts all the time. Gery has consistently been the only Bucks coverage to do so.


Then what is your question aiming at? Why Velazquez isn't doing it? Probably because he doesn't want to lose favour with the Bucks. Or maybe there is just not enough interest to be noteworthy.
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Post#1126 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:46 pm

LuessiT wrote:
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It's pretty common that teams don't want to leak information on who they're working out and the opposite goes for agents/draft prospects.


Oh I’m aware it’s not in the Bucks best interest to have them out. It shouldn’t align with the media’s interests. Teams vary on how much they care but other local media markets report on their teams’s workouts all the time. Gery has consistently been the only Bucks coverage to do so.


Then what is your question aiming at? Why Velazquez isn't doing it? Probably because he doesn't want to lose favour with the Bucks. Or maybe there is just not enough interest to be noteworthy.


There’s interest. Draft scuttlebutt season is one of the highest traffic times of the year. I think it’s indicative of a larger conversation about the majority of local media being too in line with the Bucks interests.
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Post#1127 » by chonestown » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:46 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Gery Woelfel is the only media member who reports Bucks draft workouts. Surely he’s not the only one privy to them happening. Realize he gets info from agents and not the Bucks but...what’s up with that?


For all the long-established soft-touch Bucks coverage by the JS we've forever lamented, I've had a bigger problem with the paucity of coverage. There's a lot happening right now...coaching changes, free agency intrigue, draft prospects, etc. I think a lot of it is simply not working the beat adequately. It's one thing for the JS to not surrender column inches, but online resources mitigate this concern.
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Post#1128 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:47 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Gery Woelfel is the only media member who reports Bucks draft workouts. Surely he’s not the only one privy to them happening. Realize he gets info from agents and not the Bucks but...what’s up with that?


It's pretty common that teams don't want to leak information on who they're working out and the opposite goes for agents/draft prospects.

I expected Charles Gardner to take this as an excuse, but had better hopes from Eric Nehm and Vasquez not to rely on spoon-fed information. Then again, reporting on second rounders working for the Bucks don't get a lot of clicks.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1129 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:48 pm

I actually think they do get a ton of clicks though, a week before the draft.
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Post#1130 » by emunney » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:52 pm

Velazquez had an interview with Bud on the Jenkins departure and Nehm has been putting out decent draft content. Nothing hard from either though. No news.
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Post#1131 » by Licensed to Il » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:04 pm

I know a lot of people here think that ownership controls the media. I think the lack of reporting is less conspiracy, and more: lack of traditional beat guys (most nba cities still have at least a half dozen full time guys on the beat), its hard to get the actual info (unless you get dirt from agents, which requires you to do favors for them), and its a currently a tight (and quiet) locker room.
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Post#1132 » by mattg » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:20 pm

Honestly it’s tough for me to label our guys as true journalists or media. We have some blog boys who get fed info from the team and report that and aren’t ever going to rock the boat because it’s their livelihood.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1133 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:26 pm

Licensed to Il wrote:I know a lot of people here think that ownership controls the media. I think the lack of reporting is less conspiracy, and more: lack of traditional beat guys (most nba cities still have at least a half dozen full time guys on the beat), its hard to get the actual info (unless you get dirt from agents, which requires you to do favors for them), and its a currently a tight (and quiet) locker room.


I wouldn’t say it’s a full blown “V for Vendetta” conspiracy where they’re completely controlled by the Bucks. More of a fear/unwillingness to ever step on their toes, even slightly. Conversely, often go out of their way to give them the best possible press. That said, the Bucks seemed like a tight lipped, good vibes locker room as you say, so there’s no call to lob grenades at them or anything. Just not being afraid to report on things they know would be cool.

As a fan I think it’s great the Bucks aren’t transparent. I also want the media closest to the team to be breaking stories and providing information that the organization doesn’t have to love.
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Post#1134 » by VooDoo7 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:59 pm

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Post#1135 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:54 pm

Just caught my first Stepian Podcast, a deep dive on all the international guys. Not the smoothest conversation but good analysis. I’d be very cool taking my guy Alen Smailagić at 30 or trading back for him. Huge sleeper potential.

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Post#1136 » by Gam » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:43 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Just caught my first Stepian Podcast, a deep dive on all the international guys. Not the smoothest conversation but good analysis. I’d be very cool taking my guy Alen Smailagić at 30 or trading back for him. Huge sleeper potential.


I wouldn't be surprised if the dubs snag him at 28.
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Post#1137 » by LuessiT » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:52 am

Since you're talking about him I feel like it's time to drop this article:

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/03/alen-smailagic-upside/
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1138 » by bucksfansince88 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:39 am

M-C-G wrote:Have not had a chance to do any draft research or watch much of any college bball this year. Anyone give me the skinny on Matisse Thybulle? Watched one video and he looked incredible defending and his three point form seemed solid. Struggled from three this year but was pretty good on pretty decent volume years previous.

Averaged an absurd 5.8 blocks+steals this year playing guard. Tell me more please.


Great help defender but not much offensive game. He’s athletic and a decent spot up shooter. He reminds me of Jared Dudley
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1139 » by Badgerlander » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:57 am

M-C-G wrote:Have not had a chance to do any draft research or watch much of any college bball this year. Anyone give me the skinny on Matisse Thybulle? Watched one video and he looked incredible defending and his three point form seemed solid. Struggled from three this year but was pretty good on pretty decent volume years previous.

Averaged an absurd 5.8 blocks+steals this year playing guard. Tell me more please.


https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/06/draft-notes-understanding-matisse-thybulle/

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Re: 2019 Draft Thread 

Post#1140 » by lds102 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:40 am

Can anyone refresh my memory of how last years draft pick went down. Supposedly we leaked or put our pick of DDV out early & then Atlanta wasn't going to give us a trade. Oe was that sour grapes for us signing Bud?

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