Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[tedbrogen]

I guess the big question is whether the Bucks know Giannis is signing the supermax before the draft occurs.

[Fotis St]

Not impressed with the guards of this Draft Class ... but since everybody drafts guards and forwards I took a look at the Centers ... this kid Vernon Carey Jr. is ranked on a board as the 2nd best C in this draft Class after Wiseman and he is something like 28 on a mock draft. If he works really hard on his FTs and his 3P shooting he has alot of future in modern NBA. I like his potential, his ceiling is high cause of his good shooting mechanics, and he has already a good not great but strong post game and some nice moves when attacking close outs (look at 0:42 for expample)

So if Rolo is traded or something we can still have a big with his hair style

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[emunney]

Unfortunately, you can't do those deals anymore where you trade a NG contract and the other team cuts him. Now the option has to be exercised to trade the player.

Damn. Then Ersan is getting released unless some team really wants a stretch four and is willing to take one year of DJ to get him. Picking up DJ's option is looking really bad then. Hope they don't have to move the pick just to get rid of him to stay under the tax.

With the current revenue state, I seriously doubt any team is taking Ersan at his current salary, let alone paying DJ for the right to pay him. He is all but guaranteed to be cut IMO and will probably get the minimum - maybe from the Bucks, but I think they prioritize Marvin ahead of him.

Using a first to unload DJ would be an extraordinary move and would absolutely suck. However, these are extraordinary times that absolutely suck. I think we have to dramatically adjust all off-season expectations. Negative money is probably twice as bad as usual. Free agents will probably command about half as much on the open market. It would have been a terrible market even without the pandemic, simply because teams spent so much last summer and because the NBA keeps making the luxury tax more and more prohibitive with each CBA.

I would be pretty happy with Josh Green. I'm not into pigeon-holing the pick into being a shooter. Why would a team with the best record in the NBA that already has its top 8 players under contract and has a good chance of re-signing their 9th and 10th man (Pat/Marvin) draft for need? If there is a good shooter who also happens to be ready to crack the rotation on a team that could have won 70 games had they been trying to, how on earth does he fall to #24? You know what you're getting with Green and you know it will have some value to you in the NBA eventually (replacing Wes's defense down the road while having the size to guard tall wings and having some potential to become a serviceable shooter).

Your point about drafting for need is, imo, crucial and applies not just to a team who has a set rotation but any team, particularly given the fact that even NBA ready guys aren't as NBA ready as they're going to be in a year or two, when they themselves will have likely adapted their games and the team that drafted them is also likely to be radically different. It's like trying to thread a needle in a sandstorm.

I'd take issue with your second point, though, not in the sentiment of how on earth does he fall to #24, but just in pointing out that he regularly does fall to #24. If you pick the best player on the board at #24, you are going to get someone who is either good long term or who can play for you now, sometimes both. The jury is out on who that player was last year, but Terence Davis went undrafted and has been in the Raptors' rotation all year. From the prior year either Shamet or Brunson would fit the bill. Derrick White and Josh Hart went 29-30 the previous year. Brogdon before that. Norm Powell before that. So I understand the "how on Earth" but you gotta just shrug and accept that the players are there.

[emunney]

I guess the big question is whether the Bucks know Giannis is signing the supermax before the draft occurs.

I don't think it's going to be knowable. Have to know what the CBA is going to look like first and what that will mean for the supermax. It wouldn't be smart to sign the supermax, indexed to the first year of the extension, and then have that year be the cap nadir and you're making less than guys who signed before or after you.

[coolhandluke121]

If there is a good shooter who also happens to be ready to crack the rotation on a team that could have won 70 games had they been trying to, how on earth does he fall to #24? You know what you're getting with Green and you know it will have some value to you in the NBA eventually (replacing Wes's defense down the road while having the size to guard tall wings and having some potential to become a serviceable shooter).

I'd take issue with your second point, though, not in the sentiment of how on earth does he fall to #24, but just in pointing out that he regularly does fall to #24. If you pick the best player on the board at #24, you are going to get someone who is either good long term or who can play for you now, sometimes both. The jury is out on who that player was last year, but Terence Davis went undrafted and has been in the Raptors' rotation all year. From the prior year either Shamet or Brunson would fit the bill. Derrick White and Josh Hart went 29-30 the previous year. Brogdon before that. Norm Powell before that. So I understand the "how on Earth" but you gotta just shrug and accept that the players are there.

That's true and I would never suggest otherwise. But if you're dead-set on drafting someone because he's a good shooter, as some people seem to be, you're all the more likely to miss someone like that. Basically you should be drafting someone you think is good. If he also happens to be a good shooter, that's just a bonus.

Basically I'm not saying you can't get a rotation player right away at #24. I'm just saying it's much less likely if you pigeon-hole yourself into drafting a shooter.

[Daver]

If there is a good shooter who also happens to be ready to crack the rotation on a team that could have won 70 games had they been trying to, how on earth does he fall to #24? You know what you're getting with Green and you know it will have some value to you in the NBA eventually (replacing Wes's defense down the road while having the size to guard tall wings and having some potential to become a serviceable shooter).

I'd take issue with your second point, though, not in the sentiment of how on earth does he fall to #24, but just in pointing out that he regularly does fall to #24. If you pick the best player on the board at #24, you are going to get someone who is either good long term or who can play for you now, sometimes both. The jury is out on who that player was last year, but Terence Davis went undrafted and has been in the Raptors' rotation all year. From the prior year either Shamet or Brunson would fit the bill. Derrick White and Josh Hart went 29-30 the previous year. Brogdon before that. Norm Powell before that. So I understand the "how on Earth" but you gotta just shrug and accept that the players are there.

That's true and I would never suggest otherwise. But if you're dead-set on drafting someone because he's a good shooter, as some people seem to be, you're all the more likely to miss someone like that. Basically you should be drafting someone you think is good. If he also happens to be a good shooter, that's just a bonus.

Basically I'm not saying you can't get a rotation player right away at #24. I'm just saying it's much less likely if you pigeon-hole yourself into drafting a shooter.

Have to get lucky like tbe heat did herro robinson dunn 2 of those guys werent even drafted all 3 are shooters

[machu46]

If Kira Lewis Jr is taken before pick 24 I'd be tempted to go for the high upside pick in Jaden McDaniels. The two way potential on him is higher than anyone you'll find that late.

That's who the Ringer has going to Milwaukee. I'd be fine with that though I don't see him contributing for a couple years.

He'd be getting a lot of G League minutes for a while but the upside is easy to spot. So smooth with the ball at 6'10, great athlete, some impressive defensive plays. See flashes of a top 5 pick. But very flawed with his basketball IQ and being so thin, still it might be worth the risk.

I have some of these same feelings regarding Precious Achiuwa, though I now see the DX gang has him going top 10 now rather than being in our draft range like I expected.

[machu46]

I don't expect us to end up with a 2nd round pick, but if we did end up with one, the DX mock is littered with potential shooters in the 2nd round right now:

Jahmi'us Ramsey
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Grant Riller
Desmond Bane
Tyrell Terry
Elijah Hughes
Isaiah Joe

I would tend to just try to get the best prospect possible with the 1st round pick and if we really insist on bringing in some shooting, we can try to acquire a 2nd round pick to do so.

[Ruzious]

I don't expect us to end up with a 2nd round pick, but if we did end up with one, the DX mock is littered with potential shooters in the 2nd round right now:

Jahmi'us Ramsey
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Grant Riller
Desmond Bane
Tyrell Terry
Elijah Hughes
Isaiah Joe

I would tend to just try to get the best prospect possible with the 1st round pick and if we really insist on bringing in some shooting, we can try to acquire a 2nd round pick to do so.

I'm guessing Flynn might slip out of the draft, because he doesn't pass the eye test. If so, he'll be a nice pickup for someone and could probably help the Bucks. I think he'll have a long and successful NBA career.

[SupremeHustle]

If any of you awesome dudes could put a list of the boards top 5-10 guys we like in our spot so I can do my yearly Youtube scouting on them that would be great. I'd even buy that guy a coffee or something.

[SupremeHustle]

Any Shane Battier's in this draft? I think that's what we need.

[chonestown]

If any of you awesome dudes could put a list of the boards top 5-10 guys we like in our spot so I can do my yearly Youtube scouting on them that would be great. I'd even buy that guy a coffee or something.

Seconded. I'm college prospect-dumb and this thread has always been indispensable to me.

[TroyD92]

Who is this drafts Rayjon Tucker. That's all i need to know.

[machu46]

Any Shane Battier's in this draft? I think that's what we need.

I think this article is at least kinda good for what you might be looking for: https://www.theringer.com/2020/6/8/21276726/nba-draft-2020-wings-prospects

TLDR: There's no real Shane Battier guy, but in terms of guys that have a knack for making winning plays and might offer 3nD potential:

Tyler Bey
Saddiq Bey
Robert Woodard (who I personally like a lot)
Josh Green
Patrick Williams
And then there's Devin Vassell (who he says is the closest to Battier but much more lean than Battier was) and Issac Okoro (built more like Battier but shot like absolute **** in college), but those two are almost certainly out of our reach.

Edit: I'd also just recommend The Ringer's draft guide in general. I don't agree with all of their takes every year (and admittedly have seen less of this year's prospects than I usually do), but they do a really good job of giving a quick synopsis of each prospect and you can filter down on Wings since it seems that's your top priority. https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ Would probably be a good jumping off point for you to identify some guys that sound interesting.

[SupremeHustle]

Any Shane Battier's in this draft? I think that's what we need.

I think this article is at least kinda good for what you might be looking for: https://www.theringer.com/2020/6/8/21276726/nba-draft-2020-wings-prospects

TLDR: There's no real Shane Battier guy, but in terms of guys that have a knack for making winning plays and might offer 3nD potential:

Tyler Bey
Saddiq Bey
Robert Woodard (who I personally like a lot)
Josh Green
Patrick Williams
And then there's Devin Vassell (who he says is the closest to Battier but much more lean than Battier was) and Issac Okoro (built more like Battier but shot like absolute **** in college), but those two are almost certainly out of our reach.

Edit: I'd also just recommend The Ringer's draft guide in general. I don't agree with all of their takes every year (and admittedly have seen less of this year's prospects than I usually do), but they do a really good job of giving a quick synopsis of each prospect and you can filter down on Wings since it seems that's your top priority. https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Thanks for that. I think it's hilarious how that article specifically talks about Battier. They really don't make 'em like that anymore.

[Badgerlander]

If any of you awesome dudes could put a list of the boards top 5-10 guys we like in our spot so I can do my yearly Youtube scouting on them that would be great. I'd even buy that guy a coffee or something.

I’d wait until after the combine which should firm up the lottery a little more

[jakecronus8]

Patrick Williams could be Battier +.

Closest guy to Shane coming out of Duke imo is Nesmith, albeit a bit on the smaller side.

[RiotPunch]

Nesmith is nowhere near Battier as a defender or rebounder. PatWill is a far closer comp.

[Ruzious]

That's who the Ringer has going to Milwaukee. I'd be fine with that though I don't see him contributing for a couple years.

He'd be getting a lot of G League minutes for a while but the upside is easy to spot. So smooth with the ball at 6'10, great athlete, some impressive defensive plays. See flashes of a top 5 pick. But very flawed with his basketball IQ and being so thin, still it might be worth the risk.

I have some of these same feelings regarding Precious Achiuwa, though I now see the DX gang has him going top 10 now rather than being in our draft range like I expected.

Precious is an explosive defender, but he is so limited on offense - I wouldn't even pick him at 24.

[emunney]

If any of you awesome dudes could put a list of the boards top 5-10 guys we like in our spot so I can do my yearly Youtube scouting on them that would be great. I'd even buy that guy a coffee or something.

We're picking so late and the draft is so flat in talent distribution that it's really not clear who's going to be around.

That said, here's a list of 10 guys, please furnish takes.

Saddiq Bey
Theo Maledon
Desmond Bane
Kira Lewis
Leandro Bolmaro
Grant Riller
Aleksej Pokusevski
Jahmius Ramsey
Robert Woodard
Tyrell Terry