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Post#1121 » by Sauce Boss » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:53 pm

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WRau1 wrote:I've played RPGs and dungeon crawler board games almost my entire life but have never even attempted to play D&D. I have no issues with it, just that no one in my circle was into it so I never tried. Well, my wife was interested in it and signed up for a local group so it looks like I'll be joining. Bought a bunch of 5th Edition stuff to start studying. I tend to play healing classes whenever possible as well as druids so I think I'll roll a healing Druid. Not sure of the race yet, though. Anyone got any overall tips for a beginner?

I’ve been playing for like five years, can give as much advice as you want.

Overall, I’d say play what speaks to you. There’s definitely optimization you can do if making something strong is your cup of tea, but overall theory crafting doesn’t always translate to the table in the same way it would in a video game. Everything is viable in real play and there is a lot of flexibility based on your DM and players.

Druid might be a complicated start as you’ll have a lot going on (though I definitely like the class). You’ll have to manage spells, your ability to shape shift, a moderate hit die (D8 is in the squishier range compared to a D10 fighter/ranger/paladin or a D12 Barbarian), and some armor restrictions (no metal because Druid). You’re maybe the ultimate Swiss Army knife that can fill a bunch of roles, but Druids tend toward being a support/utility class. Your spells are usually crowd control focused and require concentration (so you can only hold one effect at a time), so you won’t be flashy like a wizard throwing fireballs or calling down a meteor storm.

Personally, I like clerics. They get better armor, some more melee options, and the best healing spells (though Druid and other odd options like a Divine Sorcerer are equally good and sometimes better).

I hope that helps some at a face value focused on classes, but can give you more in-depth info or suggestions for the game at large beyond mechanics. Hope you enjoy your first time playing!!


Yeah, I was pretty sure that I'd end up being a utility player that leaned more towards healing. That's pretty much been a role I've played since EQ. It's what I feel the most comfortable with. It's kind of funny how familiar I am with everything that I've read so far just from growing up on games that use these rules. I really haven't encountered anything in my reading that is new to me. My wife is pretty pumped and that's exciting for me. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to send you a pm if something is confusing.

Awesome, glad to help!

If you’re good with the utility role and still planning Druid, I have a few more suggestions. Personally, I suggest picking Circle of the Moon for your subclass. It enhances your wild shape quite a bit, letting you use it as a bonus action in combat and giving you access to way better forms for fighting and other utility. It’s widely considered one of if not the strongest classes if you reach level 20 (which is doubtful, most games end in the 10-12 range, but still). You’re also a single ability dependent (SAD) class — you only need a high wisdom score to operate effectively. You can get away with any race with the new origin rules from the Tasha’s book, but regardless if you use them or not I like hill dwarf and firbolg as a Druid race. Dwarf gets you extra hit points and firbolg gets you some fun one off abilities in addition to being huge (they’re like 7-8 feet tall).

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Re: OT: Video Game Computers/Gadgets/Gizmos Thread 

Post#1122 » by KidA24 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:14 pm

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WRau1 wrote:I've played RPGs and dungeon crawler board games almost my entire life but have never even attempted to play D&D. I have no issues with it, just that no one in my circle was into it so I never tried. Well, my wife was interested in it and signed up for a local group so it looks like I'll be joining. Bought a bunch of 5th Edition stuff to start studying. I tend to play healing classes whenever possible as well as druids so I think I'll roll a healing Druid. Not sure of the race yet, though. Anyone got any overall tips for a beginner?

I’ve been playing for like five years, can give as much advice as you want.

Overall, I’d say play what speaks to you. There’s definitely optimization you can do if making something strong is your cup of tea, but overall theory crafting doesn’t always translate to the table in the same way it would in a video game. Everything is viable in real play and there is a lot of flexibility based on your DM and players.

Druid might be a complicated start as you’ll have a lot going on (though I definitely like the class). You’ll have to manage spells, your ability to shape shift, a moderate hit die (D8 is in the squishier range compared to a D10 fighter/ranger/paladin or a D12 Barbarian), and some armor restrictions (no metal because Druid). You’re maybe the ultimate Swiss Army knife that can fill a bunch of roles, but Druids tend toward being a support/utility class. Your spells are usually crowd control focused and require concentration (so you can only hold one effect at a time), so you won’t be flashy like a wizard throwing fireballs or calling down a meteor storm.

Personally, I like clerics. They get better armor, some more melee options, and the best healing spells (though Druid and other odd options like a Divine Sorcerer are equally good and sometimes better).

I hope that helps some at a face value focused on classes, but can give you more in-depth info or suggestions for the game at large beyond mechanics. Hope you enjoy your first time playing!!


Yeah, I was pretty sure that I'd end up being a utility player that leaned more towards healing. That's pretty much been a role I've played since EQ. It's what I feel the most comfortable with. It's kind of funny how familiar I am with everything that I've read so far just from growing up on games that use these rules. I really haven't encountered anything in my reading that is new to me. My wife is pretty pumped and that's exciting for me. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to send you a pm if something is confusing.


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Post#1123 » by TroyD92 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:43 pm

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Think the 2K series is coming back next year. I'd probably wait. think Madden comes out on EA pass at somepoint so you can play it for like $5 until you get bored.

I think the general expectation is 2K’s game will be an NFL Playgrounds type of game (basically 2K’s spin on NBA Jam/NFL Blitz). EA has the exclusive license to making simulation NFL games.

At any rate, Madden 21 was pretty good if you have good guys to play with in a league. Madden 22 sounds like a decent upgrade. I wouldn’t bother if you’re only getting it to play offline…at least not until we see how this new scouting feature works once it’s added to the game in a month or two.


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Post#1124 » by machu46 » Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:50 pm

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Think the 2K series is coming back next year. I'd probably wait. think Madden comes out on EA pass at somepoint so you can play it for like $5 until you get bored.

I think the general expectation is 2K’s game will be an NFL Playgrounds type of game (basically 2K’s spin on NBA Jam/NFL Blitz). EA has the exclusive license to making simulation NFL games.

At any rate, Madden 21 was pretty good if you have good guys to play with in a league. Madden 22 sounds like a decent upgrade. I wouldn’t bother if you’re only getting it to play offline…at least not until we see how this new scouting feature works once it’s added to the game in a month or two.


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Oh that's pretty disappointing. Always thought the 2k games were much better overall.

Yeah, I always preferred 2K as well. Some people are still hoping they find some legal loop hole to basically make a real NFL 2K again but seems unlikely.


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Post#1125 » by Nightfall » Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:55 pm

I started playing Twelve Minutes that appeared on Game Pass. I am still just 30' (or better at about the 3rd 12' minutes :D ) in and it is really original, great voice actors (Dafoe, McAvoy among others). Think Groundhog Day , Thriller, point and click adventure.
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Post#1126 » by ReasonablySober » Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:52 pm

Diablo II made me remember how much I love DIII. Downloaded the Necromancer pack I never played and started on the latest season. I don't think I've played in a couple years. I must have upgraded my audio setup since then because it sounds incredible.
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Post#1127 » by RiotPunch » Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:09 am

2K and Madden not supporting next gen graphics for my PC that is more powerful than any console is just insulting. So **** stupid, not that it would change the game from being trash. Paying $60 for a roster update with zero next gen stuff is something I cannot get myself to do, no matter how bad I have the football bug.
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Post#1128 » by Sauce Boss » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:25 am

Gave up on Madden/2k almost a decade ago. Sports games just don’t seem worth it anymore as a yearly $60 purchase and especially so during these generation shifts where a platform (usually PC) gets screwed over with an inferior product.
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Post#1129 » by SupremeHustle » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:29 am

RiotPunch wrote:2K and Madden not supporting next gen graphics for my PC that is more powerful than any console is just insulting. So **** stupid, not that it would change the game from being trash. Paying $60 for a roster update with zero next gen stuff is something I cannot get myself to do, no matter how bad I have the football bug.


I bought Madden. It's more than an upgrade for me. The last Madden I bought was Madden '13 lol.
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Post#1130 » by StickeeFingaz » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:38 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Diablo II made me remember how much I love DIII. Downloaded the Necromancer pack I never played and started on the latest season. I don't think I've played in a couple years. I must have upgraded my audio setup since then because it sounds incredible.


I've never played Diablo before, should I try the Diablo II open beta or Diablo III?
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Post#1131 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:02 am

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ReasonablySober wrote:Diablo II made me remember how much I love DIII. Downloaded the Necromancer pack I never played and started on the latest season. I don't think I've played in a couple years. I must have upgraded my audio setup since then because it sounds incredible.


I've never played Diablo before, should I try the Diablo II open beta or Diablo III?


I'd try both, since the Beta is free. See if you like it, then maybe watch some youtube vids of DIII to see if it might be more your jam.

This was MiG's very good (and from what I can tell after a few nights of DII very accurate) post:

MikeIsGood wrote:It plays very different than D3, so try to go in without expectation of comparison. Part of the reason D3 is so divisive is because it essentially upended the legacy of D2 and plays as a more casual game (which I don't mean negatively, but more as an honest descriptor, though it's hard to not sound negative). Some examples:

You do not freely respec characters. If you want a new skill, you start a new character.

Grinding and chase items are the basis of the game. If you think D3 is a grind (and maybe you don't), buckle in. Drop rates are not high; monsters do not **** out legendary items. Part of the grind is finding runes to construct rune words, the high-end of which can take some streamers - not to mention casual players - months to construct.

To that extent, MF (magic find) is legit important in D2 and many characters are built around MF to farm loot for other builds.

There is no "end game" in the same way modern ARPGs have end games. The grind is the end game. This has been changed by many mods, which are also set to be fully supported by D2R, but not part of the base experience.

Personally, I also greatly prefer the feel, art style (not graphics, but artistic style), and story of D2. D3 is utterly lifeless in comparison. D2 is dark and grim; D3 is a cartoon. Also, **** Blizzard for killing Deckard Cain with absolutely zero impact.

All of this said, I played D3 easily for over 300 hours. I don't hate it by any stretch, though it's pretty down on my list of modern ARPGs. I just find D2 to be wholly superior for my tastes. IMO, the closest spiritual successors to D2 are Grim Dawn and Last Epoch.


I personally found it hard to go to DII after DIII. Not surprisingly, everything was cleaner, slicker, felt better to play. A big issue I had with DII was inventory management. I hated it so much. It's technically there in DIII but it's never been an issue for me.

One thing MiG touched on that is super apparent is drops. I thought they were reasonable based on the difficulty you chose to play, and never frustrating. You can always adjust the difficulty level (and I think there's 150) and go for more experience and better gear. But tonight I jump back in, create an entirely new character on a new system with no previous saves, and inside of 30 minutes I got a weapon that increased my attack by about 3000%.

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I thought it might be a weird fluke but inside of 20 minutes I got a weapon better and a helm I remember grinding days for.

Granted, this is low level stuff that'll be outclassed, but it makes the early levels trivial unless you bump the difficulty up massively. I did, which only means I'm going to be getting more good gear.

All I'm saying is the drop rate in DIII is busted and you should play both and see what you like.

ETA: I'll lastly say that DIII is a GREAT game to chill out and play at your own pace, even as you get to the character level max. You can blow away hundreds of hours. But high level DIII is great too, and optimizing characters to see how far you can push it is another kind of fun. You'll be amazed at how a couple tweaks in your builds can take you from losing in a fraction of a second to blowing through a mob.
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Post#1132 » by ReginaldDwight » Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:12 am

Nightfall wrote:I started playing Twelve Minutes that appeared on Game Pass. I am still just 30' (or better at about the 3rd 12' minutes :D ) in and it is really original, great voice actors (Dafoe, McAvoy among others). Think Groundhog Day , Thriller, point and click adventure.
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Post#1133 » by RiotPunch » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:42 am

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RiotPunch wrote:2K and Madden not supporting next gen graphics for my PC that is more powerful than any console is just insulting. So **** stupid, not that it would change the game from being trash. Paying $60 for a roster update with zero next gen stuff is something I cannot get myself to do, no matter how bad I have the football bug.


I bought Madden. It's more than an upgrade for me. The last Madden I bought was Madden '13 lol.

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Post#1134 » by TroyD92 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:49 am

Sauce Boss wrote:Gave up on Madden/2k almost a decade ago. Sports games just don’t seem worth it anymore as a yearly $60 purchase and especially so during these generation shifts where a platform (usually PC) gets screwed over with an inferior product.


I downloaded madden 21 through the EA pass, and played like 5-10 hours?? Got bored as **** and uninstalled and cancelled EA Pass :lol:
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Post#1135 » by RiotPunch » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:34 am

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I downloaded madden 21 through the EA pass, and played like 5-10 hours?? Got bored as **** and uninstalled and cancelled EA Pass :lol:

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Post#1136 » by Nightfall » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:11 am

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Nightfall wrote:I started playing Twelve Minutes that appeared on Game Pass. I am still just 30' (or better at about the 3rd 12' minutes :D ) in and it is really original, great voice actors (Dafoe, McAvoy among others). Think Groundhog Day , Thriller, point and click adventure.
Great praise from H.Kojima as well:

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Any games you could compare it to?


I have no idea :) It is quite original, but I haven't played a lot of games to be honest, at least recent ones (I started playing about 3 years ago after a 20 year hiatus :D ) .
You re-live the same scene every 12' trying to find clues about what happened. Very simple interface point and click , click and drag top down thriller.
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Post#1137 » by MikeIsGood » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:41 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:Diablo II made me remember how much I love DIII. Downloaded the Necromancer pack I never played and started on the latest season. I don't think I've played in a couple years. I must have upgraded my audio setup since then because it sounds incredible.


I've never played Diablo before, should I try the Diablo II open beta or Diablo III?


I'd try both, since the Beta is free. See if you like it, then maybe watch some youtube vids of DIII to see if it might be more your jam.

This was MiG's very good (and from what I can tell after a few nights of DII very accurate) post:

MikeIsGood wrote:It plays very different than D3, so try to go in without expectation of comparison. Part of the reason D3 is so divisive is because it essentially upended the legacy of D2 and plays as a more casual game (which I don't mean negatively, but more as an honest descriptor, though it's hard to not sound negative). Some examples:

You do not freely respec characters. If you want a new skill, you start a new character.

Grinding and chase items are the basis of the game. If you think D3 is a grind (and maybe you don't), buckle in. Drop rates are not high; monsters do not **** out legendary items. Part of the grind is finding runes to construct rune words, the high-end of which can take some streamers - not to mention casual players - months to construct.

To that extent, MF (magic find) is legit important in D2 and many characters are built around MF to farm loot for other builds.

There is no "end game" in the same way modern ARPGs have end games. The grind is the end game. This has been changed by many mods, which are also set to be fully supported by D2R, but not part of the base experience.

Personally, I also greatly prefer the feel, art style (not graphics, but artistic style), and story of D2. D3 is utterly lifeless in comparison. D2 is dark and grim; D3 is a cartoon. Also, **** Blizzard for killing Deckard Cain with absolutely zero impact.

All of this said, I played D3 easily for over 300 hours. I don't hate it by any stretch, though it's pretty down on my list of modern ARPGs. I just find D2 to be wholly superior for my tastes. IMO, the closest spiritual successors to D2 are Grim Dawn and Last Epoch.


I personally found it hard to go to DII after DIII. Not surprisingly, everything was cleaner, slicker, felt better to play. A big issue I had with DII was inventory management. I hated it so much. It's technically there in DIII but it's never been an issue for me.

One thing MiG touched on that is super apparent is drops. I thought they were reasonable based on the difficulty you chose to play, and never frustrating. You can always adjust the difficulty level (and I think there's 150) and go for more experience and better gear. But tonight I jump back in, create an entirely new character on a new system with no previous saves, and inside of 30 minutes I got a weapon that increased my attack by about 3000%.

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I thought it might be a weird fluke but inside of 20 minutes I got a weapon better and a helm I remember grinding days for.

Granted, this is low level stuff that'll be outclassed, but it makes the early levels trivial unless you bump the difficulty up massively. I did, which only means I'm going to be getting more good gear.

All I'm saying is the drop rate in DIII is busted and you should play both and see what you like.

ETA: I'll lastly say that DIII is a GREAT game to chill out and play at your own pace, even as you get to the character level max. You can blow away hundreds of hours. But high level DIII is great too, and optimizing characters to see how far you can push it is another kind of fun. You'll be amazed at how a couple tweaks in your builds can take you from losing in a fraction of a second to blowing through a mob.


Yep, all valid. They're really just very different takes on the genre. D3 is a great game and I think it's just to prefer it with many of its QOL improvements (I say that as many old school Diablo fans seem hard lined against D3, which I'm not). Glad you at least tried D2 though.

As odd as it sounds, I actually like the inventory management in D2 to an extent. You aren't expected to pick everything up, like you are in a D3 or POE or any other modern game. There's no purpose in picking up something you don't need, so you really only pick-up things you do or obvious items like uniques or set pieces. In modern games, you're expected to pick items up to sell them for materials. This is actually one of the things I like about Last Epoch, because it walks a fine line between both ends of the spectrum. And all of this said, I do like that they're bringing some QOL to D2R, like a shared stash and more, larger tabs.

The item you got, I believe, is an ethereal. This D3 season's shtick is ethereal weapons from D2 - which are really just skins of famous D2 items (e.g. Windforce, Wizard Spike), with some D3 mods slapped onto it. If you collect them all, you can use the skins for them in all future seasons and non-seasons. All of the weapons go away at end of season. Universal drop pool (like everything in D3) so you can get them anywhere and at any time.

In D2, ethereal items are popular because of their cost/benefit. They cannot be repaired, so eventually will break, but modifiers can be significantly more powerful on them. This makes them popular for high-end runeword crafting, as some runes and runewords make items indestructible. So you can negate the cost of the ethereal, and instead just reap the benefits.

I played this D3 season for a few weeks before D2 closed beta hit. I had pre-ordered the Ultimate Evil edition to get both D2R and also the Necro D3 expansion - which I also had never played, and I thought it was maybe the best class. I then went back to a DH because I wanted a Windforce (still haven't found one :( ), and I think I stopped around PL 150 or so. I might go back to it leading up to D2R full release, but it probably depends upon timing of the next Last Epoch patch.
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Post#1138 » by glenn » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:30 pm

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Nightfall wrote:I started playing Twelve Minutes that appeared on Game Pass. I am still just 30' (or better at about the 3rd 12' minutes :D ) in and it is really original, great voice actors (Dafoe, McAvoy among others). Think Groundhog Day , Thriller, point and click adventure.
Great praise from H.Kojima as well

Any games you could compare it to?


I have no idea :) It is quite original, but I haven't played a lot of games to be honest, at least recent ones (I started playing about 3 years ago after a 20 year hiatus :D ) .
You re-live the same scene every 12' trying to find clues about what happened. Very simple interface point and click , click and drag top down thriller.

It’s similar to an old school point and click adventure game, where you have to see how elements work together and in what sequence. Current game it closely resembles is Overboard, were you try to get away with murder on a ship and replaying with previous knowledge is the primary gameplay loop.

I enjoyed playing 12 Minutes, but the end is rough. Both in theme and repetition. I won’t spoil it, but it goes to unexpectedly unpleasant places.
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Re: OT: Video Game Computers/Gadgets/Gizmos Thread 

Post#1139 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:40 pm

glenn wrote:
Nightfall wrote:
ReginaldDwight wrote:Any games you could compare it to?


I have no idea :) It is quite original, but I haven't played a lot of games to be honest, at least recent ones (I started playing about 3 years ago after a 20 year hiatus :D ) .
You re-live the same scene every 12' trying to find clues about what happened. Very simple interface point and click , click and drag top down thriller.

It’s similar to an old school point and click adventure game, where you have to see how elements work together and in what sequence. Current game it closely resembles is Overboard, were you try to get away with murder on a ship and replaying with previous knowledge is the primary gameplay loop.

I enjoyed playing 12 Minutes, but the end is rough. Both in theme and repetition. I won’t spoil it, but it goes to unexpectedly unpleasant places.


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Re: OT: Video Game Computers/Gadgets/Gizmos Thread 

Post#1140 » by jschligs » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:12 pm

Was at Target today and thought maybe I’ll buy Madden, until I remembered next gen games are $70. Not doing that.

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