Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[ReddoverKobe]

I get that we're going to have to take our lumps in the media after the postseason collapse but there's no winning for the Bucks right now. No matter if they kept or fired Bud it was going to get twisted into the same end result of a narrative. They're seeing blood in the water again to push the "Giannis is going to leave" narratives and its not going to stop now unless we do a lot of winning in the playoffs next season or he extends again.

And thats why I hardly watch any sports media and nothing on ESPN. Like you said, if they had kept Bud they would be getting destroyed for it. Hot take culture can burn in a fire

[RogerMurdock]

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[ReddoverKobe]

Horst's seat should be more then hit imo. Whatever happens he needs to knock this offseason out of the park or else he can go as well.

[BroncoBuck]

Game 6 vs. Suns, Giannis 17-19, win by 7
Game 5 vs. Heat, Giannis 10-23, lose by 2

I'm not pinning the loss solely on Giannis of course but making free throws, even going just 13-23, was an easy path to a win.

It’s indefensible that these players don’t get in touch with the Barry’s and shoot granny shots. You’re leaving so many points on the table.

[Prez]

I don’t give a **** what the dumbass national media that watches like 5-6 national TV Bucks games + the playoffs has to say about this. Parting ways with Bud was the correct decision.

Though it means nothing if they don’t make the right hire, so we gotta wait and see before grading all of this.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Hard to fault Horst for this specific season going down the drain. 58-win roster with a deep rotation and seemingly addressed the shortcomings of the previous team (added a versatile big-wing defender and offensive initiator in Crowder and Jingles). With a healthy Middleton this team was literally the odds on favorite to reach the Finals before the playoffs started. But it all comes back to the PJ stuff. Whoever you want to blame for that move is fine, but ultimately the GM bears responsibility for how the roster ends up looking, and when you have the chance to bring back the entirety of your Top-8 rotation from a championship team, you always run it back for at least one more year.

I just can’t get over the Ingles signing. His athleticism was always questionable, then he tore his ACL. We had to trade him at the deadline and we failed to do it. I think Horst has done a fine job other than that particular move. He punted on Augustine quickly, and his draft picks seem to be in line with what you’d expect from late first round picks.

In the end both sides turned out to be right about Ingles. He absolutely was a useful player in the regular season and did a lot great things for our ball movement and half court facilitating. Also was a great team culture guy from everything we could see publicly. On the other hand the fears about his athletic capabilities or lack thereof at his age coming off an ACL injury also ended up being true when it mattered most.

[SidTheMan4]

ESPN is basically the sports National Enquirer. Throw stuff out there to get a rise out of people. Most normal sports fans don’t watch them at all.

[Invictus88]

As an outsider looking in I can't think of a single team's offseason thread that's encountering as much suspense and uncertainty as yours is.

I wish you guys the best of luck in a super-interesting and possibly franchise-defining few months ahead.

Edit: I just went back a few pages to see what you guys were discussing as of late. Note that I'm not even talking about Giannis leaving or anything. I'm mainly thinking of you guys finding a new coach and figuring out how to best handle the cap and Middleton + Lopez.

[Matches Malone]

Teague sounds like a clown in that video. Revoke his ring

[BroncoBuck]

As an outsider looking in I can't think of a single team's offseason thread that's encountering as much suspense and uncertainty as yours is.

I wish you guys the best of luck in a super-interesting and possibly franchise-defining few months ahead.

Edit: I just went back a few pages to see what you guys were discussing as of late. Note that I'm not even talking about Giannis leaving or anything. I'm mainly thinking of you guys finding a new coach and figuring out how to best handle the cap and Middleton + Lopez.

Lopez is almost certainly gone with Bud ousted. His strength is the drop defense and the team is going to be moving away from that scheme. I’d be shocked if he re-signs here.

[MickeyDavis]

Good to have low expectations from the "experts" going into next season. Come 4/14/24 we'll be right there contending.

Let the media focus on this:

Embiid is in his 9th season and has no rings.
Jokic is in his 8th season and has no rings.
Boston has had their big 3 together for 6 years and no rings.

At most one of those will end, the other 2 or 3 will extend.

[Turk Nowitzki]

As an outsider looking in I can't think of a single team's offseason thread that's encountering as much suspense and uncertainty as yours is.

I wish you guys the best of luck in a super-interesting and possibly franchise-defining few months ahead.

Edit: I just went back a few pages to see what you guys were discussing as of late. Note that I'm not even talking about Giannis leaving or anything. I'm mainly thinking of you guys finding a new coach and figuring out how to best handle the cap and Middleton + Lopez.

Lopez is almost certainly gone with Bud ousted. His strength is the drop defense and the team is going to be moving away from that scheme. I’d be shocked if he re-signs here.

I mean everything is certainly more up in the air with Bud gone but I dont know what you could be basing Brook is "almost certainly gone" off of besides your own opinion.

[jschligs]

As an outsider looking in I can't think of a single team's offseason thread that's encountering as much suspense and uncertainty as yours is.

I wish you guys the best of luck in a super-interesting and possibly franchise-defining few months ahead.

Edit: I just went back a few pages to see what you guys were discussing as of late. Note that I'm not even talking about Giannis leaving or anything. I'm mainly thinking of you guys finding a new coach and figuring out how to best handle the cap and Middleton + Lopez.

Lopez is almost certainly gone with Bud ousted. His strength is the drop defense and the team is going to be moving away from that scheme. I’d be shocked if he re-signs here.

I mean everything is certainly more up in the air with Bud gone but I dont know what you could be basing Brook is "almost certainly gone" off of besides your own opinion.

There is absolutely ZERO basis to say Brook is 100% gone. That's a joke IMO. He's 2nd in DPOY, if we can get him back we will.

[BroncoBuck]

As an outsider looking in I can't think of a single team's offseason thread that's encountering as much suspense and uncertainty as yours is.

I wish you guys the best of luck in a super-interesting and possibly franchise-defining few months ahead.

Edit: I just went back a few pages to see what you guys were discussing as of late. Note that I'm not even talking about Giannis leaving or anything. I'm mainly thinking of you guys finding a new coach and figuring out how to best handle the cap and Middleton + Lopez.

Lopez is almost certainly gone with Bud ousted. His strength is the drop defense and the team is going to be moving away from that scheme. I’d be shocked if he re-signs here.

I mean everything is certainly more up in the air with Bud gone but I dont know what you could be basing Brook is "almost certainly gone" off of besides your own opinion.

Brook is a drop center. The biggest critique of Bud has been the drop defense. There is just no way they can rationalize a new coach coming in and running the drop defense. Why would it make any sense for either party to continue this relationship? Brook is coming off one of the best seasons of his career, he’s going to have drop system suitors that can sign him outright or complete a sign and trade. He’s been in a bad situation before where he no longer fit the scheme of his team. Again, I’d be shocked if he’s back next year.

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[emunney]

I expect major roster overhaul and I think it's somewhat reasonable to expect that Brook, who is definitely a Bud guy and whose tenure started at the same time as Bud, could be headed elsewhere... like wherever Bud lands, would be my guess.

[BroncoBuck]

Lopez is almost certainly gone with Bud ousted. His strength is the drop defense and the team is going to be moving away from that scheme. I’d be shocked if he re-signs here.

I mean everything is certainly more up in the air with Bud gone but I dont know what you could be basing Brook is "almost certainly gone" off of besides your own opinion.

There is absolutely ZERO basis to say Brook is 100% gone. That's a joke IMO. He's 2nd in DPOY, if we can get him back we will.

If the new coach comes in and runs the drop defense we are the dumbest organization in the NBA. You can’t cry out about the coaching and team not living up to the playoff expectations only to run the same ****. Brook is a drop center. Why the hell would he want to be somewhere that doesn’t get the most out of him.

[Matches Malone]

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Steven A is shameless.

[jschligs]

I mean everything is certainly more up in the air with Bud gone but I dont know what you could be basing Brook is "almost certainly gone" off of besides your own opinion.

There is absolutely ZERO basis to say Brook is 100% gone. That's a joke IMO. He's 2nd in DPOY, if we can get him back we will.

If the new coach comes in and runs the drop defense we are the dumbest organization in the NBA. You can’t cry out about the coaching and team not living up to the playoff expectations only to run the same ****. Brook is a drop center. Why the hell would he want to be somewhere that doesn’t get the most out of him.

Brook has plenty of use in non-drop defense. He's still an absolute unit at the rim which can be utilized in other ways. He's also aging, he knows he can stay where he's comfortable and play 20-25mpg and do just fine.

Don't be an idiot. He's not "for sure" gone. That's just hilarious.

[Profound23]

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I am one of the people who called it, however I believe if we don't hire a good replacement at HC and make the right moves it will happen. That is the perfect landing spot for him. Win 1 ring (or more) in NY and you will forever be cemented in basketball history.

Pressure is on Horst or Giannis forces a trade this time next year imo. I either hope I am wrong or Horst makes some smart moves.