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Siefer · Post #1121 » by **Siefer** » Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:39 pm

I can't rule out an old men FU run from this team if they're reasonably healthy (and it would delight me), but I would not be putting money on 60 wins. I'll be perfectly happy if they're in 52-55 win range, healthy, and show they have an elite gear when they need it.

chonestown · Post #1122 » by **chonestown** » Sun Aug 25, 2024 3:57 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Home opener Bulls.

https://www.nba.com/bucks/schedule

Wolves and Pelicans only time in Milwaukee is at the tail end of the season

Post #1123 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Aug 25, 2024 4:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Efficiency is efficiency. Dame's 2PT (49%) and eFG (51%) were right at his career averages, and he was still drawing shooting fouls at the 2nd highest rate of his career, even with the new continuation rules nerfing the foul-baiting stuff. It's his dip in 3PT volume (8.7 per-36) and efficiency (35%) that caused the slight efficiency drop compared to last season. For all this stuff about his age and him "breaking down", there sure isn't much evidence of it. Dude still looked plenty quick off the dribble from the eye test.

You fix Dame with two things:

1) Tell Giannis he's not bringing the ball up court off the inbounds anymore. If he gets a rebound and wants to push, great. Otherwise that's Dame's job. Doc claims he will do that this season.

2) Last year he was the Charlie V. in our defense. A hole every team knew they could exploit. Bud would have figured out how to hide/scheme around this. Griff and Doc had no clue. The better personnel this year should help, but the defense is the single biggest thing this team needs to solve for.

raferfenix · Post #1124 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Aug 25, 2024 5:19 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:the defense is the single biggest thing this team needs to solve for.

Agreed offense wasn’t our problem. There just is huge opportunity costs considering how absurd this offense could get.

Dame needs to be better than a Charlie V on defense either way. Yes the scheme hurt but I’m hoping the better shape he’s getting in will lead to increased effort on that end especially.

BUCKnation · Post #1125 » by **BUCKnation** » Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:34 pm

The regular season should be interesting next year. We had so many games down the stretch where it looked like half the time would rather be anywhere else and then those that put in some good effort got hurt.

I think getting rid of some of those fringe vets like jae and easing in some youth combined with some big time ‘prove it’ motivation from the vets should help.

Fotis St · Post #1126 » by **Fotis St** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:49 am

Where is the '23-'24 prediction thread ? Was it merged with the plan thread? I think I called the Giannis injury. I had bad vibes starting the season, something seemed wrong all along.

Can someone bump it up ?

Maybe its time to start the 24-25 prediction thread idk.

soxperry · Post #1127 » by **soxperry** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:28 pm

What a lame schedule..

Almost every Saturday home game stinks

We did get a couple sunday afternoon gems, but mannn. Its rough.

Post #1128 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:50 pm

Fotis St wrote:Where is the '23-'24 prediction thread ? Was it merged with the plan thread? I think I called the Giannis injury. I had bad vibes starting the season, something seemed wrong all along.

Can someone bump it up ?

Maybe its time to start the 24-25 prediction thread idk.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2326186

Too early for this season, I'll start a prediction thread a week or so before the season starts.

Fotis St · Post #1129 » by **Fotis St** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:53 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Where is the '23-'24 prediction thread ? Was it merged with the plan thread? I think I called the Giannis injury. I had bad vibes starting the season, something seemed wrong all along.

Can someone bump it up ?

Maybe its time to start the 24-25 prediction thread idk.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2326186

Too early for this season, I'll start a prediction thread a week or so before the season starts.

Thanks MD ... Read the thread all over again.
My post was :

"East 4th seed ... we will struggle alot with injuries... our core will barely play together in the regular season ... We get lucky and healthy at the playoffs, we win it all. Bucks World Champions 2024."

Unfortunately we got UNLUCKY near the playoffs which "forced" us to a 1st round exit.

Lots of posters were right about struggling in the Regular Season
1 poster got the exact Rs record 49-33
3 posters predicted a under 50 wins record
Nobody predicted a first round exit
1-2 posted for a 2nd round exit

Love u all have fun

Dick Tate · Post #1130 » by **Dick Tate** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:29 pm

I only remember predicting Beasley would start. Happy to put the season in the rear view mirror.

Post #1131 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:49 pm

Your 2K ratings

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Badgerlander · Post #1132 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:12 pm

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Matches Malone · Post #1133 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:06 pm

Camp bodies.

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stillgotgame · Post #1134 » by **stillgotgame** » Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:32 am

Fotis St wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Where is the '23-'24 prediction thread ? Was it merged with the plan thread? I think I called the Giannis injury. I had bad vibes starting the season, something seemed wrong all along.

Can someone bump it up ?

Maybe its time to start the 24-25 prediction thread idk.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2326186

Too early for this season, I'll start a prediction thread a week or so before the season starts.

Thanks MD ... Read the thread all over again.
My post was :

"East 4th seed ... we will struggle alot with injuries... our core will barely play together in the regular season ... We get lucky and healthy at the playoffs, we win it all. Bucks World Champions 2024."

Unfortunately we got UNLUCKY near the playoffs which "forced" us to a 1st round exit.

Lots of posters were right about struggling in the Regular Season
1 poster got the exact Rs record 49-33
3 posters predicted a under 50 wins record
Nobody predicted a first round exit
1-2 posted for a 2nd round exit

Love u all have fun

I predicted the 49 wins, just not how we did it. Thanks for the and1.

The amount of wins matters so little, what matters is our big 3 health. All 3 should be on minutes restrictions. In Coach Bud's last 2 years, Giannis played about 2100 minutes a season. Whether it's 70 games @ 30 minutes or 60 @ 35 minutes I think that's ideal. It will reduce the wear and tear on his lower body. Khris obviously needs reduced games/minutes also, and Dame will benefit likewise.
Play GTJ, Prince and Delon all they can handle. They're only going to get better and more comfortable.

Seeding doesn't matter, health does.

Daver · Post #1135 » by **Daver** » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:00 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2326186

Too early for this season, I'll start a prediction thread a week or so before the season starts.

Thanks MD ... Read the thread all over again.
My post was :

"East 4th seed ... we will struggle alot with injuries... our core will barely play together in the regular season ... We get lucky and healthy at the playoffs, we win it all. Bucks World Champions 2024."

Unfortunately we got UNLUCKY near the playoffs which "forced" us to a 1st round exit.

Lots of posters were right about struggling in the Regular Season
1 poster got the exact Rs record 49-33
3 posters predicted a under 50 wins record
Nobody predicted a first round exit
1-2 posted for a 2nd round exit

Love u all have fun

I predicted the 49 wins, just not how we did it. Thanks for the and1.

The amount of wins matters so little, what matters is our big 3 health. All 3 should be on minutes restrictions. In Coach Bud's last 2 years, Giannis played about 2100 minutes a season. Whether it's 70 games @ 30 minutes or 60 @ 35 minutes I think that's ideal. It will reduce the wear and tear on his lower body. Khris obviously needs reduced games/minutes also, and Dame will benefit likewise.
Play GTJ, Prince and Delon all they can handle. They're only going to get better and more comfortable.

Seeding doesn't matter, health does.

Morning i csn agree with what you said except the seeding part unless your going to somehow pull a rabbit out of your ass n have a fairy tale season like the heat did 2 years ago how can anyone say seeding doesnt matter.
Theirs no difference to you being 7th seed than 1 or 2.Im all for resting guys but holy hell i want the top 2 seed again im for HCA come playoff time in the minority i know

stillgotgame · Post #1136 » by **stillgotgame** » Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:20 am

Daver wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
Fotis St wrote:

Thanks MD ... Read the thread all over again.
My post was :

"East 4th seed ... we will struggle alot with injuries... our core will barely play together in the regular season ... We get lucky and healthy at the playoffs, we win it all. Bucks World Champions 2024."

Unfortunately we got UNLUCKY near the playoffs which "forced" us to a 1st round exit.

Lots of posters were right about struggling in the Regular Season
1 poster got the exact Rs record 49-33
3 posters predicted a under 50 wins record
Nobody predicted a first round exit
1-2 posted for a 2nd round exit

Love u all have fun

I predicted the 49 wins, just not how we did it. Thanks for the and1.

The amount of wins matters so little, what matters is our big 3 health. All 3 should be on minutes restrictions. In Coach Bud's last 2 years, Giannis played about 2100 minutes a season. Whether it's 70 games @ 30 minutes or 60 @ 35 minutes I think that's ideal. It will reduce the wear and tear on his lower body. Khris obviously needs reduced games/minutes also, and Dame will benefit likewise.
Play GTJ, Prince and Delon all they can handle. They're only going to get better and more comfortable.

Seeding doesn't matter, health does.

Morning i csn agree with what you said except the seeding part unless your going to somehow pull a rabbit out of your ass n have a fairy tale season like the heat did 2 years ago how can anyone say seeding doesnt matter.
Theirs no difference to you being 7th seed than 1 or 2.Im all for resting guys but holy hell i want the top 2 seed again im for HCA come playoff time in the minority i know

You're right, 6th seed should be minimum. Above that doesn't matter, just changes the rounds we play tougher teams in.
6th seed had 47 wins last year, I'm good with that.
We have the talent to beat anyone. In January we dominated the future champion Celtics with our clueless rookie coach running the show. We stomped them again with Doc coaching in April. We've upgraded our weakest starter from clueless Beasley to a guy that put 30 points up in 5 consecutive games a couple years ago, GTJ.

But we need to be healthy come playoff time.

raferfenix · Post #1137 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:54 pm

The Athletic NBA Show: Sleeping on the Bucks?

Good to see someone on the national stage making the case. From Aug. 27 pod:

- Bucks had a new coach who wasn't up to the task, fundamental roster change with Jrue to Dame, and injury issues especially in playoffs.

- Giannis still is one of the top 3 or 4 or 5 players in the world. KG doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Giannis averaged 30, 11 and 6.5 last year and was in MVP conversation despite team issues.

- Doc says he tried to talk Bucks out of hiring him midseason but who could say no to that much money. Identity change hard defensively in particular. Curious to see how it looks next season with a full training camp.

- Dame, Giannis and Khris played 258 minutes last season, among 160 three man lineups, they were plus 17.5. That's the second best three man lineup in the NBA.

- Middleton's kind of the forgotten guy here. He was not 100 percent at all last year. Him having another year under his belt away from the surgery, hopefully with a full summer being healthy and no basketball for a few months, longest offseason he's had without an injury in a few years.

- Khris needs to give them something or he needs to play well enough to bring them something if they need to move him.

- Biggest question mark is when does Giannis go more as the full time five? How long can Brook be up to par? And I mean up to par 25 minutes a game, not just he comes in, he can start and close. There were times last year where he just flat out didn't have any gas in the tank.

- I like the Delon Wright signing. I like Gary Trent Jr. kind of replacing that Malik Beasley mold for them. I think he brings just a smidge, maybe 25% more defensive intensity than Malik Beasley does. Prince is an upgrade to Jae Crowder, although I don't know whether it’s more than just an upgrade.

- Ultimately, I just like their additions more. I think they can be a little bit more fluid, versatility-wise lineups, right? The way that they can throw Giannis at the five, put Prince at the four, or they can put Bobby Portis at the four. I've liked those lineups. Then you have Delon Wright and Dame, which I think some of the defensive issues at the point of attack get addressed with Wright. I think Gary Trent will just bring a little bit more dog to their point of attack defense too. That was missing last year. So there's just more optionality to what they can do.

- GTJ’s job will be easy as long as he tries hard and works hard on defense. He could probably be a 38% three point shooter for them this year. He just needs to get up seven or eight of them a game. Malik Beasley had a career year shooting wise. I like Gary Trent as a more well-rounded basketball player. And that's what the Bucks really need. Like they need a guy who can just not die on defense. Cause Dame is going to do that every single possession.

- Maybe they get just a little bit more from Andre Jackson Jr. and MarJon. But are you buying young players seizing opportunity because of Doc Rivers?

- To answer that question, we are sleeping on the bucks because they still have Giannis and Dame. Dame is still really good. There are things that are bad about his game, but overall, I mean, that guy can give you 30 a night or 50. On any given night.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-athletic-nba-show/id1358187061?i=1000666829886

Post #1138 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:33 pm

raferfenix wrote:
- Middleton's kind of the forgotten guy here. He was not 100 percent at all last year. Him having another year under his belt away from the surgery, hopefully with a full summer being healthy and no basketball for a few months, longest offseason he's had without an injury in a few years.

Khris had surgery on both ankles this summer. Not major surgery but there is no such thing as minor surgery at his age and given his history.

DanoMac · Post #1139 » by **DanoMac** » Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:29 pm

I think Ham coming back isn't something that's talked about enough

emunney · Post #1140 » by **emunney** » Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:12 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Camp bodies.

Read on Twitter

Robbins was really dominant down the stretch of his super senior season, broke his leg against Kentucky before the conference tournament, and then had a stress fracture last Fall while fighting for a spot with the Pelicans. Decent get for the Herd if that's behind him.