Bledsoe to the Bucks For Monroe/#1 - POLL ADDED

[Istanbullus]

Most hard-core fans who devise trades could have come up with this one once we knew Bledsoe was available. That's the kind of thing that makes me wonder why being an NBA GM can be that special. However,the fact that Horst was actually able to get it done (as a young, seemingly naive GM ready to be taken advantage of) gives me some confidence. The thoughtful, detailed protections makes me hope he might actually have some talent.

[RRyder823]

Most hard-core fans who devise trades could have come up with this one once we knew Bledsoe was available. That's the kind of thing that makes me wonder why being an NBA GM can be that special. However,the fact that Horst was actually able to get it done (as a young, seemingly naive GM ready to be taken advantage of) gives me some confidence. The thoughtful, detailed protections makes me hope he might actually have some talent.

Most hardcore fans come up some of the dumbest trades you'll ever see and are constantly over valuing and under valuing players. Case in point what Boogie got traded for but yet there's a thread in the trade board now suggesting we trade Maker, Middleton AND Jabari for him despite him having less time left on his contract as if his value somehow went up



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[paulpressey25]

If I had to guess, Horst put an initial offer out of the 2018 first, top ten protected. Then if that pick didn't convey it converted to a top 3 protected. Standard fare.

Then McD countered with the more esoteric stuff to ensure PHX has a shot at a higher pick in years later, assuming the Bucks 2018 should come in around 18-20 this year and PHX already has a bunch of picks this year.

What is even more interesting is the protection on the 2nd. That 2nd really will only convey if the 2018 first doesn't. So PHX does get some extra bonus in 2018 and still can hope something catastrophic happens to the Giannis train in the next two years.

[humanrefutation]

I wouldn't be surprised if he starts tomorrow if he's cleared to play.

I'd be shocked if he started

You right now.

Who do you think you are stealing my jokes? Carlos Mencia?

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[lvckv]

Anybody else here subscribed to Cleaning The Glass? Really great site from ex Basketball Analytics Manager with the Blazers and VP of Basketball Strategy with the Sixers Ben Falk. $5/$7 a month is well-worth it - like an even better version of Zach Lowe with more content, I'd say.

Long read on the Bledsoe deal here, including how he'll affect the offense, fit with the defense, and what it means for the future of the team cap- and ambition-wise - https://cleaningtheglass.com/breaking-down-the-bledsoe-deal/

From the outside, it’s impossible to truly know what the Bucks’ goals are. But it’s a question that needs to be answered to properly evaluate this deal. Because Milwaukee is in an envious position: they have a player who, very soon, will be capable of being the best player on a championship team. During Giannis’ prime, the door to a championship will be open for the Bucks to a degree it isn’t for the majority of teams in the NBA. If the goal is to maximize their championship odds, what matters is optimizing the team for that time. Given the current state of the roster, this is not that time.

...

But if their goal really is to win a championship, every move needs to be made with one question in mind: how does this shift the odds of winning it all? Winning a championship is extraordinarily difficult. It requires a foundational star, something the Bucks have — but that star alone is not enough. Without putting the right roster around that player, the team can get stuck on the threshold, feeling perpetually close but never able to walk through the door. Minimizing the chance of falling victim to that fate requires a single-minded purpose. One that this trade doesn’t quite fit into.

[SupremeHustle]

I'd be shocked if he started

You right now.

Who do you think you are stealing my jokes? Carlos Mencia?

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Great minds and all that.

[Chapter29]

What's wrong with a starting line up of Thon/Henson, Giannis, Snell, Middleton, Brogdon?

That is a very disruptive(on opposing offense) & to the basket line up.

Well, the Thon/Henson bit, but I agree, Bucks should bring Bledsoe off the bench. Brogdon plays well along Giannis/Middleton and the Bucks badly need shot making in their bench units. Having Bledsoe and Giannis on the court simultaneously, plus Middleton, creates some diminishing returns in terms of shot-creation/playmaking. Brogdon will be less effective playing with bench units.

Bledsoe playing 30mpg off the bench would be ideal.

Nah.

Your best players start and most certainly finish.

Bledsoe starts. You want Brogdon in the starting / finishing line ups? Sure, sit Snell.

[Aaron It Out]

What's wrong with a starting line up of Thon/Henson, Giannis, Snell, Middleton, Brogdon?

That is a very disruptive(on opposing offense) & to the basket line up.

Well, the Thon/Henson bit, but I agree, Bucks should bring Bledsoe off the bench. Brogdon plays well along Giannis/Middleton and the Bucks badly need shot making in their bench units. Having Bledsoe and Giannis on the court simultaneously, plus Middleton, creates some diminishing returns in terms of shot-creation/playmaking. Brogdon will be less effective playing with bench units.

Bledsoe playing 30mpg off the bench would be ideal.

Nah.

Your best players start and most certainly finish.

Bledsoe starts. You want Brogdon in the starting / finishing line ups? Sure, sit Snell.

Agreed for the most part, but I do like what Kidd did last night in starting Snell and sitting him at the end of the game in favor of Brogdon.

[Novocaine]

What's wrong with a starting line up of Thon/Henson, Giannis, Snell, Middleton, Brogdon?

That is a very disruptive(on opposing offense) & to the basket line up.

Well, the Thon/Henson bit, but I agree, Bucks should bring Bledsoe off the bench. Brogdon plays well along Giannis/Middleton and the Bucks badly need shot making in their bench units. Having Bledsoe and Giannis on the court simultaneously, plus Middleton, creates some diminishing returns in terms of shot-creation/playmaking. Brogdon will be less effective playing with bench units.

Bledsoe playing 30mpg off the bench would be ideal.

Nah.

Your best players start and most certainly finish.

Bledsoe starts. You want Brogdon in the starting / finishing line ups? Sure, sit Snell.

Huh? When did I say I want Brogdon in the finishing line up? Did you actually read what I wrote or not really?

Best players finish; there's no reason whatsoever best players must start - plenty of great teams in NBA history had one of their best players coming off the bench.

The Bucks should finish games with Giannis/Bledsoe/Middleton, plus 2 out of Snell/Henson/Brogdon (I think Snell should almost always be there, plus one out of Brogdon/Henson/Liggins depending on the situation); and also bring Bledsoe off the bench. It's the best way to maximize his and Giannis shot-creation abilities.

[Chapter29]

Well, the Thon/Henson bit, but I agree, Bucks should bring Bledsoe off the bench. Brogdon plays well along Giannis/Middleton and the Bucks badly need shot making in their bench units. Having Bledsoe and Giannis on the court simultaneously, plus Middleton, creates some diminishing returns in terms of shot-creation/playmaking. Brogdon will be less effective playing with bench units.

Bledsoe playing 30mpg off the bench would be ideal.

Nah.

Your best players start and most certainly finish.

Bledsoe starts. You want Brogdon in the starting / finishing line ups? Sure, sit Snell.

Huh? When did I say I want Brogdon in the finishing line up? Did you actually read what I wrote or not really?

Best players finish; there's no reason whatsoever best players must start - plenty of great teams in NBA history had one of their best players coming off the bench.

The Bucks should finish games with Giannis/Bledsoe/Middleton, plus 2 out of Snell/Henson/Brogdon (I think Snell should almost always be there, plus one out of Brogdon/Henson/Liggins depending on the situation); and also bring Bledsoe off the bench. It's the best way to maximize his and Giannis shot-creation abilities.

You see this is how it works in the NBA. Your best player almost always start. Less, the Bucks with Maker for example.

Other than that we pretty much agree. But yet, I know that this is RealGM where we pretty much have disagree or there is nothing to talk about.

[Plossum]

Anybody else here subscribed to Cleaning The Glass? Really great site from ex Basketball Analytics Manager with the Blazers and VP of Basketball Strategy with the Sixers Ben Falk. $5/$7 a month is well-worth it - like an even better version of Zach Lowe with more content, I'd say.

Long read on the Bledsoe deal here, including how he'll affect the offense, fit with the defense, and what it means for the future of the team cap- and ambition-wise - https://cleaningtheglass.com/breaking-down-the-bledsoe-deal/

From the outside, it’s impossible to truly know what the Bucks’ goals are. But it’s a question that needs to be answered to properly evaluate this deal. Because Milwaukee is in an envious position: they have a player who, very soon, will be capable of being the best player on a championship team. During Giannis’ prime, the door to a championship will be open for the Bucks to a degree it isn’t for the majority of teams in the NBA. If the goal is to maximize their championship odds, what matters is optimizing the team for that time. Given the current state of the roster, this is not that time.

...

But if their goal really is to win a championship, every move needs to be made with one question in mind: how does this shift the odds of winning it all? Winning a championship is extraordinarily difficult. It requires a foundational star, something the Bucks have — but that star alone is not enough. Without putting the right roster around that player, the team can get stuck on the threshold, feeling perpetually close but never able to walk through the door. Minimizing the chance of falling victim to that fate requires a single-minded purpose. One that this trade doesn’t quite fit into.

The Bucks are really close to being the East's next powerhouse once LeBron abdicates. I think Jabari's health and the ability to find the Bucks' Steve Kerr to coach are the two factors that could really drive this team forward.

[Pachinko_]

The Bucks are really close to being the East's next powerhouse once LeBron abdicates. I think Jabari's health and the ability to find the Bucks' Steve Kerr to coach are the two factors that could really drive this team forward.

did you see Embiid and Simmons @ LAC last night?
And, did you see Philly's cap space?

[AussieBuck]

The Bucks are really close to being the East's next powerhouse once LeBron abdicates. I think Jabari's health and the ability to find the Bucks' Steve Kerr to coach are the two factors that could really drive this team forward.

did you see Embiid and Simmons @ LAC last night?
And, did you see Philly's cap space?

Embiid is Bill Walton, doesn't matter how great he is, he's just not going to last. We'd be in trouble if he had Lebron's health. They also have clowns running that team now so that helps even things up with our circus.

[Pachinko_]

The Bucks are really close to being the East's next powerhouse once LeBron abdicates. I think Jabari's health and the ability to find the Bucks' Steve Kerr to coach are the two factors that could really drive this team forward.

did you see Embiid and Simmons @ LAC last night?
And, did you see Philly's cap space?

Embiid is Bill Walton, doesn't matter how great he is, he's just not going to last. We'd be in trouble if he had Lebron's health. They also have clowns running that team now so that helps even things up with our circus.

Maybe, I don't know, I'm not a doctor. But watch that game anyway.
Simmons literally dunked on the whole Clippers team, and looked totally unphased by everything.
And you look at Embiid Vs DJ, they looked identical physically except one guy was good at basketball and the other one wasn't. And that's comparing to 10 year veteran, All Star, All NBA, All Defensive, Olympic winner Jordan.

[Novocaine]

Nah.

Your best players start and most certainly finish.

Bledsoe starts. You want Brogdon in the starting / finishing line ups? Sure, sit Snell.

Huh? When did I say I want Brogdon in the finishing line up? Did you actually read what I wrote or not really?

Best players finish; there's no reason whatsoever best players must start - plenty of great teams in NBA history had one of their best players coming off the bench.

The Bucks should finish games with Giannis/Bledsoe/Middleton, plus 2 out of Snell/Henson/Brogdon (I think Snell should almost always be there, plus one out of Brogdon/Henson/Liggins depending on the situation); and also bring Bledsoe off the bench. It's the best way to maximize his and Giannis shot-creation abilities.

You see this is how it works in the NBA. Your best player almost always start. Less, the Bucks with Maker for example.

Other than that we pretty much agree. But yet, I know that this is RealGM where we pretty much have disagree or there is nothing to talk about.

Yeah, I suppose that's why after I suggested Bucks would be wise to do what many other teams, including championship ones, have done in NBA history and bring one of their best players off the balance to keep lineups more balanced you had to jump in with some silly strawmen.

[SirChurros]

did you see Embiid and Simmons @ LAC last night?
And, did you see Philly's cap space?

Embiid is Bill Walton, doesn't matter how great he is, he's just not going to last. We'd be in trouble if he had Lebron's health. They also have clowns running that team now so that helps even things up with our circus.

Maybe, I don't know, I'm not a doctor. But watch that game anyway.
Simmons literally dunked on the whole Clippers team, and looked totally unphased by everything.
And you look at Embiid Vs DJ, they looked identical physically except one guy was good at basketball and the other one wasn't. And that's comparing to 10 year veteran, All Star, All NBA, All Defensive, Olympic winner Jordan.

I don't think we should be acting like beating the Clippers is much of an accomplishment. They're a pretty bad team.

[engelmartin]

did you see Embiid and Simmons @ LAC last night?

We really lucked out that they took Fultz instead of DS3 or Ntikilina... or Tatum or Fox or Ball, etc. That they took Fultz at all.

Imagine how great they'd look with another young stud who could actually play right now.

[Chapter29]

Huh? When did I say I want Brogdon in the finishing line up? Did you actually read what I wrote or not really?

Best players finish; there's no reason whatsoever best players must start - plenty of great teams in NBA history had one of their best players coming off the bench.

The Bucks should finish games with Giannis/Bledsoe/Middleton, plus 2 out of Snell/Henson/Brogdon (I think Snell should almost always be there, plus one out of Brogdon/Henson/Liggins depending on the situation); and also bring Bledsoe off the bench. It's the best way to maximize his and Giannis shot-creation abilities.

You see this is how it works in the NBA. Your best player almost always start. Less, the Bucks with Maker for example.

Other than that we pretty much agree. But yet, I know that this is RealGM where we pretty much have disagree or there is nothing to talk about.

Yeah, I suppose that's why after I suggested Bucks would be wise to do what many other teams, including championship ones, have done in NBA history and bring one of their best players off the balance to keep lineups more balanced you had to jump in with some silly strawmen.

BS.

[bizarro]

did you see Embiid and Simmons @ LAC last night?
And, did you see Philly's cap space?

Embiid is Bill Walton, doesn't matter how great he is, he's just not going to last. We'd be in trouble if he had Lebron's health. They also have clowns running that team now so that helps even things up with our circus.

Maybe, I don't know, I'm not a doctor. But watch that game anyway.
Simmons literally dunked on the whole Clippers team, and looked totally unphased by everything.
And you look at Embiid Vs DJ, they looked identical physically except one guy was good at basketball and the other one wasn't. And that's comparing to 10 year veteran, All Star, All NBA, All Defensive, Olympic winner Jordan.

The core of Simmons, Embiid, and Covington is electric. I mean, they are real real fun to watch. Embiid and Simmons, if healthy, need to learn how to cherish the ball some more. They are dazzling, but, in their youth and folly they make some absurd passing choices. Yet, their risk-taking is also what makes them exciting.

DJ was absolutely owned by Embiid last night. Wasn't even a contest. The best player on the court for the Clips was Lou Williams. Griffin is still the same frustrating player he's always been. He's just not a guy to build around. He has all the physical tools, but he just doesn't have 'It'. He'll always be that semi-efficient, high-usage, kind of hits 3's, doesn't do anything defensively but has a lot of swagger guy to me.

[H2tObes]

Embiid is Bill Walton, doesn't matter how great he is, he's just not going to last. We'd be in trouble if he had Lebron's health. They also have clowns running that team now so that helps even things up with our circus.

Maybe, I don't know, I'm not a doctor. But watch that game anyway.
Simmons literally dunked on the whole Clippers team, and looked totally unphased by everything.
And you look at Embiid Vs DJ, they looked identical physically except one guy was good at basketball and the other one wasn't. And that's comparing to 10 year veteran, All Star, All NBA, All Defensive, Olympic winner Jordan.

I don't think we should be acting like beating the Clippers is much of an accomplishment. They're a pretty bad team.

They didn't have Bev or Gallo either fwiw. Not very scared of Philly this season, Embiid injury away from being very mediocre. Jealous of their coaching. Covington has stepped up big and plays how I wish Khris would, huge fan of him.