ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

Post #1141 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:00 pm

DingleJerry · Post #1142 » by **DingleJerry** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:13 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
0BobLobLaw0 wrote:
That's crazy....can't remember him being anything resembling a HOFer.

Can't even think of a player that has taken a bigger fall.

He played 8 dominant years in Orlando. Then in the post lockout year, he get dealt out to LA. Once he hit LA, the distractions took over, and he started to slip.

Then his decline was accelerated over the last 5-6 years by the new style of play, where the big-man with no outside shot just isn't nearly the factor.

But those first 8 years, he logged a lot of minutes and dragged a sorry ass Orlando team to the Finals.

I have such a lower view of Dwight than many others here I guess. Sure it's skewed by basketball changing, but he never developed post game skills either. 8 years is an exaggeration too to call dominant. 5-6 would be more accurate. Then he fell off a cliff and went crazy.

Dame continues to be underrated on this board. Rode a few game winning 3s? He's been scoring upper 20s carrying blah teams to strong records and has won playoff rounds, made WCF with those blah teams and barring injury is going to end up top 20 in scoring. He's the closest thing to Steph there is and Steph is an all timer. There's gotta be other players to take off before him, unless you're generally of the ilk that unless ridiculous like Giannis that active players not near their end shouldn't be on yet until we see the full or near fully body of work. Yea, if he tears his Achilles tomorrow and falls off a cliff he'll likely look off on here. Assuming 3-5 healthy years he'll fit right in.

Other question, did they take off anyone from the original 50 list or did they think that would be too disrespectful?

Post #1143 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:21 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
0BobLobLaw0 wrote:
That's crazy....can't remember him being anything resembling a HOFer.

Can't even think of a player that has taken a bigger fall.

He played 8 dominant years in Orlando. Then in the post lockout year, he get dealt out to LA. Once he hit LA, the distractions took over, and he started to slip.

Then his decline was accelerated over the last 5-6 years by the new style of play, where the big-man with no outside shot just isn't nearly the factor.

But those first 8 years, he logged a lot of minutes and dragged a sorry ass Orlando team to the Finals.

I have such a lower view of Dwight than many others here I guess. Sure it's skewed by basketball changing, but he never developed post game skills either. 8 years is an exaggeration too to call dominant. 5-6 would be more accurate. Then he fell off a cliff and went crazy.

Dame continues to be underrated on this board. Rode a few game winning 3s? He's been scoring upper 20s carrying blah teams to strong records and has won playoff rounds, made WCF with those blah teams and barring injury is going to end up top 20 in scoring. He's the closest thing to Steph there is and Steph is an all timer. There's gotta be other players to take off before him, unless you're generally of the ilk that unless ridiculous like Giannis that active players not near their end shouldn't be on yet until we see the full or near fully body of work. Yea, if he tears his Achilles tomorrow and falls off a cliff he'll likely look off on here. Assuming 3-5 healthy years he'll fit right in.

Other question, did they take off anyone from the original 50 list or did they think that would be too disrespectful?

Everyone on the original list made it.

Ron Swanson · Post #1144 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:43 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Everyone on the original list made it.

And this is kind of the problem. I get that the NBA community doesn't want to step on any toes and "disrespect" any of the old-timers, but guys like Bill Sharman, Lenny Wilkins, and Billy Cunningham just don't belong on a modern list ahead of guys like Dikembe and Dwight.

Profound23 · Post #1145 » by **Profound23** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:47 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Everyone on the original list made it.

And this is kind of the problem. I get that the NBA community doesn't want to step on any toes and "disrespect" any of the old-timers, but guys like Bill Sharman, Lenny Wilkins, and Billy Cunningham just don't belong on a modern list ahead of guys like Dikembe and Dwight.

I have always been a Dwight fan....but he didn't dominate long enough to go on the 75th anniversary list. Got lazy and complacent too early in his career.

MikeIsGood · Post #1146 » by **MikeIsGood** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:55 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Everyone on the original list made it.

And this is kind of the problem. I get that the NBA community doesn't want to step on any toes and "disrespect" any of the old-timers, but guys like Bill Sharman, Lenny Wilkins, and Billy Cunningham just don't belong on a modern list ahead of guys like Dikembe and Dwight.

Holy **** - Deke. What a huge omission.

Post #1147 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:19 pm

It's impossible to create a list that everyone agrees with that spans generations/decades. There's no apples to apples comparisons to be made. If the goal of a list like this is to include players who dominated during their respective eras then it's a valid list.

But the real goal of lists like this is to get people talking about it and generate discussion. Which is exactly what it's doing. Debating which teams/players are better than others has been around since the first day of sports.

Post #1148 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:22 pm

Is there any reason there are still divisions anymore? Does a division winner with a worse record than a team in second place in another division get a higher seed? No. So what's the point? So you can hang a "division winner" banner?

MVP2110 · Post #1149 » by **MVP2110** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:26 pm

Do they even sell Division Champ merchandise anymore?

Post #1150 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:07 pm

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MikeIsGood · Post #1151 » by **MikeIsGood** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:19 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:It's impossible to create a list that everyone agrees with that spans generations/decades. There's no apples to apples comparisons to be made. If the goal of a list like this is to include players who dominated during their respective eras then it's a valid list.

But the real goal of lists like this is to get people talking about it and generate discussion. Which is exactly what it's doing. Debating which teams/players are better than others has been around since the first day of sports.

Sure.

Except Damian Lillard

BroncoBuck · Post #1152 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:50 pm

Paul Pierce made the list. That’s how you know the whole thing was a joke. I was stunned to see his name on there.

LUKE23 · Post #1153 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:56 pm

Pierce is the 16th all-time leading scorer and was a pretty damn complete player (8 seasons over 4 apg, solid defender).

emunney · Post #1154 » by **emunney** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:56 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Is there any reason there are still divisions anymore? Does a division winner with a worse record than a team in second place in another division get a higher seed? No. So what's the point? So you can hang a "division winner" banner?

They're supposed to be geographically organized, and you play them more on average, so there's less travel in theory. But that really depends on how the schedule falls. They do the best they can with grouping trips. There's also the geographic rivalry aspect. But you're right that the main purpose of having a division should be the reward from winning it, and there isn't one.

You'd think they'd be able to feed parameters into a program that coughed out a schedule that would serve the travel purpose better than divisions do.

Post #1155 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:06 pm

True. You play each team in your division 4 times. The other teams in your conference you play 3 or 4 times and the other conference 2 times.

RogerMurdock · Post #1156 » by **RogerMurdock** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:04 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

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This is one the greatest tweets I have ever seen. It deserves every And-1 possible, but they should all go to Marques to boost his social media cred.

Post #1157 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:39 pm

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LUKE23 · Post #1158 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:41 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

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Stun.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1159 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:06 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:

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Stun.

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MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1160 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:06 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Leaving Dwight off was a joke. Yes, he's been a diva clown the past decade, but can't detract from his career resume, including:

[u]One NBA title,[/u] five All-NBA 1st Team selections, eight All-Stars, three Defensive Player of the Year awards, four All-Defensive 1st Team selections. NBA rank: 11th in rebounds, 13th in blocks, 59th in scoring

Lol, I agree with everything you have but you really messed up the opening. PJ tucker scored more in the finals than Howard did that year (Yes, I'm still bitter about last night).
Howard started 2 games that year for the Lakers. I dont think that adds anything to his resume and, if it does, it validates all the super teaming and ring chasing just to pad resumes.