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[flaco]

I have no idea where people got the idea that Hill was cooked. That guy could probably still be playing in the NBA at 40 if he avoids a major injury.

By the time you see it at the playoffs, it will be too late to do anything. Playoff guards will most likely cook Hill , to the state of unplayable. Wes sign is trash too.

Hartenstein, Luke Kornet & Noah Vonleh where my targets for years. Bud&Horst underestimated Hood too so that story had a bad ending for us. Saying all that , Portis is a saviour. Portis will replace Brook , he won't be as good as a rim protector BUT he is more mobile and he will guard the mid range better. So don't worry that much about the C position. Cousins will have the last season Portis role, so we are good.

Bucks achilles in my eyes is the backup PG position. If anything happens to Jrue ... foul trouble or anything Hill is unplayable for heavy minutes against top tier guards. So Horst should fill that gap, with Dragic or Rubio or Satoransky or someone with playoff miles on his back.

Donte + Brook + something (a 2030 1st?) .. for Dragic or Rubio is a move I would make to cement my point guard options.

What makes you think 35-year-old Hill is cooked whereas 35-year-old Dragic is legit? He hardly ever plays for the Raps.

I'd much rather have Hill at 4 million over Dragic at 19.4 million. It ain't even close. The NBA is operating under a salary cap. Each player's value is always linked to his contract. No way would I touch Dragic/Rubio on their current salaries. If they get bought out, that's another story.

I'd absolutely love Satroransky on the Bucks! I'm a fan of his game since his euro days. Hopefully, the Pels will buy him out. He's on a 10 million expiring contract. Not a fan of Rubio on the Bucks cause he's an unreliable shooter. I reckon he'd be a bad fit next to Giannis.

[Baddy Chuck]

I have no idea where people got the idea that Hill was cooked. That guy could probably still be playing in the NBA at 40 if he avoids a major injury.

By the time you see it at the playoffs, it will be too late to do anything. Playoff guards will most likely cook Hill , to the state of unplayable. Wes sign is trash too.

Hartenstein, Luke Kornet & Noah Vonleh where my targets for years. Bud&Horst underestimated Hood too so that story had a bad ending for us. Saying all that , Portis is a saviour. Portis will replace Brook , he won't be as good as a rim protector BUT he is more mobile and he will guard the mid range better. So don't worry that much about the C position. Cousins will have the last season Portis role, so we are good.

Bucks achilles in my eyes is the backup PG position. If anything happens to Jrue ... foul trouble or anything Hill is unplayable for heavy minutes against top tier guards. So Horst should fill that gap, with Dragic or Rubio or Satoransky or someone with playoff miles on his back.

Donte + Brook + something (a 2030 1st?) .. for Dragic or Rubio is a move I would make to cement my point guard options.

Fotis.

Wanting to trade for.

Ricky Rubio.

I have seen it all.

[Baddy Chuck]

Rubio talk is a nightmare too ...

The only way I take Rubio is to add future picks ...

Yeah,
Rubio and Rondo fans need get modernised ...

Rubio is the opposite version but still bad, he passes too much and can't create for himself and can't shoot to save his life and team. He is a team player who makes his team worse.

My metaphor about Rubio ...

Rubio is like your beatiful blond secretary who is not productive and you wish she had a brain

There are many Rubios in Europe ... Rubios are not rare in Europe.

In fact many of them are about to exit the NBA or already out.

Vasquez
Marshall
MCW
Exum
Elfrid Payton
Sved
Rubio

Rubio plays a different sport ...

He plays passingball and we are talking about basketball

So any word about him should be considered "Off Topic"

Rubio will make MCW look like Rose

Everytime Rubio's name pops up here, any ordinary basketball mind is having a serious headache.

Hell No for Rubio ... Not even for free. Rather keep Henson.

What is going on in this thread ?

MCW, Marshall,Vasquez ...... aren't they enough ?

I get his ball movement, his traditional PG skills, BUT trust my Euro opinion

There are many PGs in Europe, right now, with Rubio's skillset... even better.

Just trust me on this. I have seen many Rubio's in Euro ...

Rubio sucks ... Period ...

I am a Euro guy and at some point in a discussion with an American about how euro guards pass better and read the game better,
he said the most amazing thing I heard ... "It is called basketball, not assistball" and although at first I didn't want to accept it, now I can't agree more...

If Rubio is not good enough for the Wolves even as a backup than he is not good enough for the Bucks too. Those two teams are having parallel improvement, alot of similarities and potential future Finalists.

I hope Rubio fans that wanted to trade for him, are looking him at the Olympics, being a completely negative player for Spain NT.

Rubio better than Delly ?

Oh that's it .
As I said ... I would hire you to stealth tank my team !!!

MCW is cheaper with higher potential and to me he is alread better than Rubio.
MCW was Rookie of the year 2013-2014 !!! He wants to be the best like GIannis.
Rubio never won a thing being the No1 guy ... even in Spanish Championship or in Spain National ... other guards were better.
So to spend 11M/year for a non-star or non potential star is a waste of money and time to discuss.
He shoots 38% ang get 11M/year for handling/passing. He is overpaid, street ballers can handle and pass.
The Bucks need shooters ... MCW and Giannis can break down a defence with their drives+passing abilities.
We don't need Rubio at all ... we have already 2 bad conracts (Mayo,Ersan) and when jabari was healthy they were both backups

[WRau1]

So instead we......

Gambled on PJ Tucker not being a rotation NBA player fresh off a convincing run of being a rotation player.
Gambled on bonafide scrubs coming in replacing minutes that were left by Tuckers departure.
Gambled on the health of an aging, already shortened, rotation of NBA players to stay completely healthy.
Gambled on not needing any type of salary filler to facilitate trades on a title contender without many other avenues to add players.

I'd say so far we have certainly lost that gamble.

They saved money. That's it. And in the end, after all the patching up that was needed (so far), not even that much this season.

Everything you listed is a far better bet than giving Tucker the deal that Miami did.

Why? He's starting for Miami. He started for us in the finals. Generally when you make a bet there's a downside, but from a basketball perspective there's no downside. We could have had PJ on the roster, or we could have any one of the much worse players we signed instead of him. Why is the value of his contract important? Our superstar is in his prime. It's a 2 year contract for *less than league average salary* for a guy who played 30 mpg in a title run. 2/14 is a nothing contract in this context. Laughable.

How is there no down side to resigning a 36yr old that only plays one side of the ball at an ok level? The fact that he played X amount of minutes for us (or any other team) is irrelevant because he only got those minutes (with us) due to injuries. And no matter your opinion on what other people should do with their money, Tucker would cost us significantly more than 2/14.

[M-C-G]

Thad Young - make it happen

[M-C-G]

Maybe I am in a minority here, but I liked Georgiois, not enough to know how to spell his name properly, but enough to hope we may see him again some day. Kind of had a super lite version of Gordon Hayward but looks like he has some pretty good defensive potential and just kind of a jack of all trades, except, you know, shooting. Need to be pretty elite most elsewhere if you can't shoot these days.

[emunney]

Everything you listed is a far better bet than giving Tucker the deal that Miami did.

Why? He's starting for Miami. He started for us in the finals. Generally when you make a bet there's a downside, but from a basketball perspective there's no downside. We could have had PJ on the roster, or we could have any one of the much worse players we signed instead of him. Why is the value of his contract important? Our superstar is in his prime. It's a 2 year contract for *less than league average salary* for a guy who played 30 mpg in a title run. 2/14 is a nothing contract in this context. Laughable.

How is there no down side to resigning a 36yr old that only plays one side of the ball at an ok level? The fact that he played X amount of minutes for us (or any other team) is irrelevant because he only got those minutes (with us) due to injuries. And no matter your opinion on what other people should do with their money, Tucker would cost us significantly more than 2/14.

I already explained that. There's no downside because the alternative is *an inferior player*. Wouldn't cost US a damn thing. Why do you care how much it would cost the hedge fund boyz? They do not need basketball fans caping for their bottom line. It's pathetic.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yuta Watanabe is the guy we need. Toronto might be willing to give him up now, he's a RFA after the season, and they have more guys just like him. Really good defender, quick, smart, long, and can shoot the 3.

Semi and a 2nd or 2 or 3 for Watababe.

Nurse LOVES that guy, but Masai might be keen on the picks.

True that Nurse loves him, but he still gives him less minutes than Siakim, Anunoby, Barnes, and Precious, and a only a few more minutes than Banton and Boucher. Bantn will be a big part of their team moving forward.

I think Yuta could be had, and he's the perfect fit here. He'd be like Tucker, except Yuta can actually effectively defend someone, and be a useful member of the offense.

[WRau1]

Why? He's starting for Miami. He started for us in the finals. Generally when you make a bet there's a downside, but from a basketball perspective there's no downside. We could have had PJ on the roster, or we could have any one of the much worse players we signed instead of him. Why is the value of his contract important? Our superstar is in his prime. It's a 2 year contract for *less than league average salary* for a guy who played 30 mpg in a title run. 2/14 is a nothing contract in this context. Laughable.

How is there no down side to resigning a 36yr old that only plays one side of the ball at an ok level? The fact that he played X amount of minutes for us (or any other team) is irrelevant because he only got those minutes (with us) due to injuries. And no matter your opinion on what other people should do with their money, Tucker would cost us significantly more than 2/14.

I already explained that. There's no downside because the alternative is *an inferior player*. Wouldn't cost US a damn thing. Why do you care how much it would cost the hedge fund boyz? They do not need basketball fans caping for their bottom line. It's pathetic.

Yeah, I guess opposing the allocation of all those resources on a no position, 36yr old that is likely to break/slow down and wouldn't even be in our top 9 rotation when everyone is healthy is "caping for their bottom line". I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[MVP2110]

It's weird to have our fans complain about ownership being cheap when they've basically committed to being far into the tax for the foreseeable future. Sure letting PJ go was a $ driven move but we just saw GS let Oubre walk for nothing and nobody calls them cheap. Like you can let a player walk and not be a cheap skate owner, maybe they weren't willing to go over 70 mil into the tax but it's weird to call the owners cheap, when we have one of the largest tax payments coming up, who also are also in one of the smallest markets in the league.

[raferfenix]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

[raferfenix]

Ownership is going to make hundreds of millions when they sell the team.

We also just won a championship which brings in a ton of extra revenue.

This has nothing to do with being a small market. Obviously we should be going deep into the luxury tax and doing whatever we can to maximize our championship window while Giannis is in his prime.

And if ownership fails to make the most of this opportunity Giannis will leave and they will cost the franchise way more money in the scheme of things.

[ShootingtheJ]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

[tski1972]

Thad Young - make it happen

Good luck finding $14M to match in salary.

[higharc]

GK's 3p% was actually .500 in RS, where he chose his 3s carefully and mostly shot catch & shoot 3s. Most of you remember the preseason. I hope there is some future for him in Oshkosh. He was waived because no matter his progress he would not contribute in rotational minutes this year.

I don't think Hood is that bad to be talked as being in the waiving block. He is versatile enough and he is having more positive moments as RS progresses and he is getting into shape. Semi on the other hand seems as a lost cause to me.

Finally, stop crying for PJ. What is done is done. His age is a gamble. 50% chance he is injured in the playoffs after an 82 game season without mid-season rest to benefit his body...

[ShootingtheJ]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

Also, and the Bucks would never say it out loud, but I don't think they viewed PJ as a cultural fit. He showed up fat and pouted last year, and the diamonds in the shoes doesn't exactly mesh with the superstar who's excited over free water.

[ShootingtheJ]

GK's 3p% was actually .500 in RS, where he chose his 3s carefully and mostly shot catch & shoot 3s. Most of you remember the preseason. I hope there is some future for him in Oshkosh. He was waived because no matter his progress he would not contribute in rotational minutes this year.

I don't think Hood is that bad to be talked as being in the waiving block. He is versatile enough and he is having more positive moments as RS progresses and he is getting into shape. Semi on the other hand seems as a lost cause to me.

He shot 26% from 3 if you grow the sample size to include his G League games. He was the worst player on the Herd, and he's already 23. He was quick defensively, but simply way too big of a project.

[Ayt]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

Kind of like how no one would want to take on DJ Augustin's contract which is how the Bucks acquired PJ in the first place?

[LittleRooster]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

Kind of like how no one would want to take on DJ Augustin's contract which is how the Bucks acquired PJ in the first place?

This. The bucks squandered an asset that either would have been useful for them in the postseason or one that could have been traded for something else that could be useful


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[tedbrogen]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

Kind of like how no one would want to take on DJ Augustin's contract which is how the Bucks acquired PJ in the first place?

Didn’t the Bucks have to include a first to make that trade happen? Do they have any tradeable firsts remaining now?