The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[coolhandluke121]

Sticking with the idea that Mirza and Beasley could have easily replicated his contributions I see. Asks others to acknowledge one thing, but refuses to the same himself.

No, doing it in a contract year isn't particularly suspicious given the circumstances.

The exact quote was "all the Bucks really need from Jabari is a lot of scoring off the bench, but Mirza and Beasley could combine to do that". It's not that Jabari isn't better than them, it's that the only thing they really needed from Jabari is not that hard to replace. That's why I wanted to trade him to address much more pressing needs.

[BuckFan25226]

I noticed he landed on his right leg(non injured leg) and raised his left leg before he landed. Is this in his head? Or is this in my head?

[M-C-G]

I noticed he landed on his right leg(non injured leg) and raised his left leg before he landed. Is this in his head? Or is this in my head?

One thing I am glad to see, is he is putting much more thought into his landing. You'll notice that he seemed to come down on the ball of his foot or toes in a lot of these rehab videos. It seems like something they are actively working on him with, which is great. He used to have a lot of one legged landings that looked awkward and dangerous, so I wouldn't read too much into other than he looks much more controlled on the landing then he did before the injury.

[Chapter29]

Looks fat as **** IMO.

[coolhandluke121]

As for the contract year, EVERY player should be on their "best behavior" , "best version of themselves" but coming off two knee injuries, it is even more paramount to his future. It isn't nefarious that he is in this shape, it is a combination of things, and he is where he needs to be, and more so, he is in the shape every Bucks fan wants him in.

It's not that it's under-handed or nefarious. It's just that it makes you wonder if he's going to be able to keep it up when he gets his big contract. I truly believe that most contract year guys have every intention of staying motivated, but it's harder when you get your big payday. Look at the effect Khris's contract had on his fitness, for example. And Jabari already had conditioning and weight issues at a younger age than Khris. It's a legit concern.

[tydett]

Man, all you guys are crazy. I wish Jabari had **** porked up to 300 pounds and gotten forced out of the league by not getting a contract after not taking his rehab seriously. I'm pissed to see a player try to make the most of a **** situation.

[DingleJerry]

As for the contract year, EVERY player should be on their "best behavior" , "best version of themselves" but coming off two knee injuries, it is even more paramount to his future. It isn't nefarious that he is in this shape, it is a combination of things, and he is where he needs to be, and more so, he is in the shape every Bucks fan wants him in.

It's not that it's under-handed or nefarious. It's just that it makes you wonder if he's going to be able to keep it up when he gets his big contract. I truly believe that most contract year guys have every intention of staying motivated, but it's harder when you get your big payday. Look at the effect Khris's contract had on his fitness, for example. And Jabari already had conditioning and weight issues at a younger age than Khris. It's a legit concern.

This is a much better way phrase what you're getting at. not that he plans on it or intentionally is trying to screw anyone over. Just the basic nature of complacency that the vast majority of all humans have in them. And since his natural body seems to run a tad doughy (for an NBA player) that it requires a bit more work for him. But still, that's a risk on anyone once you pay them, not just him. And he'd also have a second big motivator in doing all he can to prevent a 3rd tear to hopefully stay in shape.

[PG Graveyard]

Also, the loss of weight is obviously a good thing overall for health of his knee. however, it does lean him more towards the 3 than the 4 position. I think we've all been wet dreaming over a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe finishing lineup. With how poor Khris has done at stretch 4 and Jabari's previous rebounding issues it could lean towards some issues with that lineup

Jabari has always played more like a 3, I have no problem with that. That's just a small ball lineup and you have to hope the talent overcomes the rebounding issues. He was never a strong rebounder even when he was bigger so I don't see it changing much at all

Jabari also really doesn’t have rebounding issues. His numbers from last year would put him top 6 for SF in the NBA while 20 for a PF. Not that this matters that much but I definitely wouldn’t call it an issue.

[M-C-G]

Also, the loss of weight is obviously a good thing overall for health of his knee. however, it does lean him more towards the 3 than the 4 position. I think we've all been wet dreaming over a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe finishing lineup. With how poor Khris has done at stretch 4 and Jabari's previous rebounding issues it could lean towards some issues with that lineup

Jabari has always played more like a 3, I have no problem with that. That's just a small ball lineup and you have to hope the talent overcomes the rebounding issues. He was never a strong rebounder even when he was bigger so I don't see it changing much at all

Jabari also really doesn’t have rebounding issues. His numbers from last year would put him top 6 for SF in the NBA while 20 for a PF. Not that this matters that much but I definitely wouldn’t call it an issue.

There are two things that Jabari is blasted for which seem kind of narrative driven, 1. the rebounding, I mean our entire team is dog **** rebounders and other than Giannis, he was probably our second or third best rebounder once he got comfortable with going up in traffic, 2. his defense, yeah it isn't good, but we collectively realize our defense is trash in terms of scheme and now we see the defense is just as bad with what should be better defenders, it's still crap

It hardly got better after he got hurt last year and it is even worse this year without him all together, despite adding a good defensive PG in Bledsoe. Anyone trying to blame the defense on solely on him is kidding themselves or trying to spin stories, yeah he isn't good, but the fact the defense is even worse without him tells you there is a much larger foundational issue here.

[M-C-G]

One blast from the past;

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[H2tObes]

Plenty on here have acknowledged that Jabari is a good rebounder for a SF, it's just that he can leave a lot to be desired if he is expected to be the 2nd best rebounder on the floor, dude doesn't box out. Still, having an athletic big body out there will most likely improve the rebounding overall

Scheme has a lot more to do with defensive performance than anything, every rotation plays subpar defenders. You think Stevens couldn't make Jabari work defensively? Great offensive players can have tremendous value even with atrocious defense because of this reason

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

One blast from the past;

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that move he puts on at the 1:48 mark is so sick......

[DingleJerry]

Also, the loss of weight is obviously a good thing overall for health of his knee. however, it does lean him more towards the 3 than the 4 position. I think we've all been wet dreaming over a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe finishing lineup. With how poor Khris has done at stretch 4 and Jabari's previous rebounding issues it could lean towards some issues with that lineup

Jabari has always played more like a 3, I have no problem with that. That's just a small ball lineup and you have to hope the talent overcomes the rebounding issues. He was never a strong rebounder even when he was bigger so I don't see it changing much at all

Jabari also really doesn’t have rebounding issues. His numbers from last year would put him top 6 for SF in the NBA while 20 for a PF. Not that this matters that much but I definitely wouldn’t call it an issue.

There's more to it than numbers. Yea i wouldn't call him some liability or anything as he does try and gets his share by being there and being a good jumper. But if you watch him, he doesn't physically box anyone out, ever. You'd be surprised if you watched just him in games and see how often he puts a body on someone. Then watch a guy like Mirza or Snell as they seek out a guy whenever the shot goes up to try and block out. Too bad Mirza is so physically limited it still doesn't help him and Snell is so skinny it seems all he can do is get in the guys way. I know they're not good rebounders compared to Jabari due to their physical limitations, just pointing out their fundamentals of finding a guy to box out are solid.

If you're 6'9 and play 35 mins and you're around the hoop you're gonna end up with 6-7 rebounds like he did. To make this lineup work well, he'd have to tick it up a notch (giannis would too of course) and be willing to get physical and put a body in someone. Get some contested rebounds too, not just the easy ones. And even you don't get it, make sure your guy doesn't get around you to get an offensive rebound. That's the difference between winning big and barely being above .500 and losing in the first round. Yea, i'm not gonna blast him or say he's horrible. But this one little effort thing would go a long way in improving his defensive contribution.

In terms of this discussion. I was getting that him 20 lbs lighter is going to make it more difficult for him. Hopefully it's a mindset thing more than anything and he just figures it out as he matures to get a notch better at it. But Khris is proving inept at it right now. Jabari was so-so before, might be harder now that he's lighter and who knows how much his quickness/leaping will be affected. Just saying it could be the kryptonite of that juicy lineup we all want. Giannis, Jabari, and Khris all would have to man up a notch to make it work big time. I still think it will work regardless due to the offense it brings, but I'm talking about getting to GSW death lineup ballpark of +/- with it.

[M-C-G]

One blast from the past;

Watch on YouTube

that move he puts on at the 1:48 mark is so sick......

Yep, this is why I don't see why some people can watch him and complain about "he needs everything created for him", "look at his asst %", I mean, he has loads of skills to create if you give him the ball.

Also fun in this game, he was going at it with Faried. One of the few times I can remember him talking trash and just wanted to smash people's skulls with dunk shots.

[leroyjw10]

I'm far from the captain of the Jabari Bandwagon, but I can't wait for him to get back. For all his faults, dude can straight up get buckets. This defense will never be good under Kidd, so let's just try to score 120 a night.

[AussieBuck]

I'm far from the captain of the Jabari Bandwagon, but I can't wait for him to get back. For all his faults, dude can straight up get buckets. This defense will never be good under Kidd, so let's just try to score 120 a night.

Yep, nothing here for him to wreck. Get some 120 - 115 wins

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[blazza18]

I will miss bully ball Jabari but him being slimmer is good for him and the team.

[AussieBuck]

I will miss bully ball Jabari but him being slimmer is good for him and the team.

Not sure it's that big a deal. He's still going to be strong as a bull I reckon. Cant believe I'm looking forward to him playing some PF. Middleton at the 4 will do that to a guy though

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[Wonka]

Jabari is the most offensively talented player we have. Giannis has the intangibles, but Bari can get his in a way that no one on our team can. It's going to be great to have him back.

[RegulatorJoe]

Jabari is the most offensively talented player we have. Giannis has the intangibles, but Bari can get his in a way that no one on our team can. It's going to be great to have him back.

That is very true. His ability to blow by people (hopefully he can still do that) together with his shooting will very much be an asset. My only worry is can we sell him (or Middleton) on coming off the bench long term