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Post #1161 » by **Prez** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:53 am

Point god pls

MikeIsGood · Post #1162 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:03 am

Prez wrote:Point god pls

Ridnour retired in 2015, sorry.

Ill-yasova · Post #1163 » by **Ill-yasova** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:08 am

MikeIsGood wrote:
Prez wrote:Point god pls

Ridnour retired in 2015, sorry.

Nah man, he’s talking about Nate Wolters.

CharityStripe34 · Post #1164 » by **CharityStripe34** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:17 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Plossum wrote:Isaiah T is doing the PR rounds talking up his health post hip surgery to land another contract. He’s someone we should take a flyer on with a vet min/NG deal. No risk if he doesn’t work out.

Yeah, he was amazing before the injury. Scored 28 ppg on 62 TS%. He's been below replacement level since the injury. If the hip is actually fixed, someone could get a real steal. He was an amazing closer.

The challenge is he'll likely try to sign with a team that has a clear path to playing time. I doubt that would be the Bucks.

Also a world-class defensive liability.

skones · Post #1165 » by **skones** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 8:00 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Plossum wrote:Isaiah T is doing the PR rounds talking up his health post hip surgery to land another contract. He’s someone we should take a flyer on with a vet min/NG deal. No risk if he doesn’t work out.

Yeah, he was amazing before the injury. Scored 28 ppg on 62 TS%. He's been below replacement level since the injury. If the hip is actually fixed, someone could get a real steal. He was an amazing closer.

The challenge is he'll likely try to sign with a team that has a clear path to playing time. I doubt that would be the Bucks.

Given that a potential shake up may happen and George Hill may be needed to be included to match salary figures, I don't think it's entirely out of the question that there wouldn't be a clear path to playing time, ESPECIALLY considering he provides something we lack in shot creation. I've mentioned his name in the past as a flyer guy, and I'd still take that flyer. We haven't had a guy that could come into a game off the bench and drop 20 at the drop of a hat since Beasley. I ESPECIALLY think he may relish the opportunity to go at Boston in the playoffs. That scoring punch off the bench can mean big things in the playoffs and it'd be good to have that in the chamber.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1166 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 11:56 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Plossum wrote:Isaiah T is doing the PR rounds talking up his health post hip surgery to land another contract. He’s someone we should take a flyer on with a vet min/NG deal. No risk if he doesn’t work out.

Yeah, he was amazing before the injury. Scored 28 ppg on 62 TS%. He's been below replacement level since the injury. If the hip is actually fixed, someone could get a real steal. He was an amazing closer.

The challenge is he'll likely try to sign with a team that has a clear path to playing time. I doubt that would be the Bucks.

Also a world-class defensive liability.

Since the injury, yes. Pretty hard to defend when your hip prevents you from squatting. A little below average before the injury, but he was competitive despite his size.

Ron Swanson · Post #1167 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:08 pm

IT was a WOAT-tier perimeter defender even before the hip injury. I usually argue that it's easy to hide a bad defender in your lineup, but he's just way too small and physically outmatched.

Post #1168 » by **Prez** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:21 pm

Yeah unless he’s 100% back to peak form (which he won’t be) he wouldn’t be playable against a good, smart team in a series. Could be a fun RS guy though if he’s 75-80% of what he used to be.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1169 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:25 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:IT was a WOAT-tier perimeter defender even before the hip injury. I usually argue that it's easy to hide a bad defender in your lineup, but he's just way too small and physically outmatched.

I'm not seeing data that's supports your conclusion. If you have it, feel free to share. He was below average before the injury, but was a winning and major impact player in the playoffs.

Ron Swanson · Post #1170 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:34 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:IT was a WOAT-tier perimeter defender even before the hip injury. I usually argue that it's easy to hide a bad defender in your lineup, but he's just way too small and physically outmatched.

I'm not seeing data that's supports your conclusion. If you have it, feel free to share. He was below average before the injury, but was a winning and major impact player in the playoffs.

Defensive metrics are an inexact science and I'm not gonna go through all the numbers and write a dissertation on it. I'm sure Stevens of all coaches was better at putting him into situations where he wasn't gonna get completely exposed, but sorry, he's an absolute turnstile on defense and no amount of on/off is gonna prove otherwise. Just an example, but he was ranked 86th amongst PG's in DRPM (-4.42) during his "best season" in 2016-17. Even in his physical prime he was historically awful.

Post #1171 » by **Prez** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:45 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:IT was a WOAT-tier perimeter defender even before the hip injury. I usually argue that it's easy to hide a bad defender in your lineup, but he's just way too small and physically outmatched.

I'm not seeing data that's supports your conclusion. If you have it, feel free to share. He was below average before the injury, but was a winning and major impact player in the playoffs.

Defensive metrics are an inexact science and I'm not gonna go through all the numbers and write a dissertation on it. I'm sure Stevens of all coaches was better at putting him into situations where he wasn't gonna get completely exposed, but sorry, he's an absolute turnstile on defense and no amount of on/off is gonna prove otherwise. Just an example, but he was ranked 86th amongst PG's in DRPM (-4.42) during his "best season" in 2016-17. Even in his physical prime he was historically awful.

The on/off numbers agree with you, they were nearly 10 points per 100 worse defensively with him on court. Also second to last (485 out of 486) in the entire league in defensive RAPM.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1172 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:14 pm

Campazzo> Isaiah Thomas

LuessiT · Post #1173 » by **LuessiT** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:22 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Campazzo> Isaiah Thomas

Sure but Campazzo -> MLE
IT -> minimum contract

emunney · Post #1174 » by **emunney** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:36 pm

Pierria Henry > IT

theFireBlanket · Post #1175 » by **theFireBlanket** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 7:14 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Campazzo> Isaiah Thomas

Sure but Campazzo -> MLE
IT -> minimum contract

Now's the time to be creative, not cheap.

LuessiT · Post #1176 » by **LuessiT** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 7:20 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Campazzo> Isaiah Thomas

Sure but Campazzo -> MLE
IT -> minimum contract

Now's the time to be creative, not cheap.

That's absolutely not the point. You get one MLE. You get unlimited minimum contracts. We have many needs. If we're using (part of) the MLE we have to be sure we can't fix the same spot just as good with a minimum contract.

Also I'm not in favor of signing IT. Just listing reasons why one would.

Ron Swanson · Post #1177 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 7:36 pm

Always need to find creative ways to add talent but this team absolutely does not have "many needs".

emunney · Post #1178 » by **emunney** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 8:02 pm

Wenyen Gabriel should be a target.

raferfenix · Post #1179 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 8:45 pm

If this is right (totally possible it’s posturing) we’d need to include Donte + a pick to get in the running for CP3:

The Thunder are motivated to deal Paul and his massive contract after deciding upon a rebuilding campaign following Billy Donovan’s firing. Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti likely will want a first-round pick and a young prospect still on his rookie contract, multiple league officials believe.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/kevin-knox-is-the-key-to-knicks-prying-chris-paul-off-thunder/

StickeeFingaz · Post #1180 » by **StickeeFingaz** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 9:16 pm

Ah yes, our veteran leader George Hill making good decisions. Their Facebook page says they'll be following social distancing guidelines...uh sure.

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