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[SirChurros]

Rolling the dice on Semi was always the better move than paying Tucker, even if Semi has been a massive failure.

These fringe guys are replaceable and interchangeable and there will be buyout opportunities at the deadline. I can't believe there are still people up in arms about Tucker.

[SirChurros]

And I should add that's not even taking into account the Cousins signing. The ROI on Cousins has the potential to be far greater than Tucker, and you could argue that if the Bucks had re-signed Tucker they wouldn't have been looking at Cousins.

[ShootingtheJ]

Cuban had a lot of success acquiring and maintaining salary slots for the Mavericks.

Even if a player didn’t work out their contract could be used as part of a trade package to get an upgrade within the confines of the salary cap.

Bucks ownership took a different tact with Tucker.

If we hadn’t, worst case PJ’s salary slot could be used to pick up someone else. As it stands we do not have many other options for those kind of trades

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

Kind of like how no one would want to take on DJ Augustin's contract which is how the Bucks acquired PJ in the first place?

Something Houston was willing to do to get pouty boy off their roster.

[paulpressey25]

And I should add that's not even taking into account the Cousins signing. The ROI on Cousins has the potential to be far greater than Tucker, and you could argue that if the Bucks had re-signed Tucker they wouldn't have been looking at Cousins.

My gut tells me that PJ will be playing in the playoffs and Boogie will be on our bench with another torn ligament of some sort. Hope I’m wrong, but he’s a very big man, hampered by a bad body/tendon structure

[SirChurros]

And I should add that's not even taking into account the Cousins signing. The ROI on Cousins has the potential to be far greater than Tucker, and you could argue that if the Bucks had re-signed Tucker they wouldn't have been looking at Cousins.

My gut tells me that PJ will be playing in the playoffs and Boogie will be on our bench with another torn ligament of some sort. Hope I’m wrong, but he’s a very big man, hampered by a bad body/tendon structure

Possibly. That's why I said potential to be a greater impact.

A healthy, engaged Boogie is more valuable than a healthy, engaged Tucker, IMO.

[Ayt]

Nobody would want to take on the 2nd year of Tuckers deal, so it wasn't a trade asset. Tradable salary slots are usually ending contracts

Kind of like how no one would want to take on DJ Augustin's contract which is how the Bucks acquired PJ in the first place?

Didn’t the Bucks have to include a first to make that trade happen? Do they have any tradeable firsts remaining now?

Yes, but contracts can be very useful simply for matching salary just as we saw with PJ and the terrible Augustin deal. The Bucks very likely wouldn't have been looking to trade PJ anyway, but his salary slot could have been very useful to match salaries if needed. One of the bigger problems capped out teams have in terms of making trades is that they lack the contracts to match salaries so trades can even be legal.

I understand why they didn't bring him back because money isn't infinite, but it was purely a financial move. PJ had value on the court and as a salary slot.

[raferfenix]

Tucker is a solid value contract at $7 million per on a contending team.

Miami doesn’t have the luxury tax concerns the Bucks do which made it such an obvious move for them to make ASAP once free agency started. I’m sure there are a number of other teams that would similarly value Tucker even at the $10 million per number.

PJ has significantly more value than DJ Augustin did. But even if he didn’t it’d be nice to have a contract like that to use in a trade.

[raferfenix]

Possibly. That's why I said potential to be a greater impact.

A healthy, engaged Boogie is more valuable than a healthy, engaged Tucker, IMO.

I’m bullish on Boogie.

But PJ doesn’t have the sordid injury history.

Radical contrast in their respective health, even with the age difference.

That said, if Suki can save Cousins, he’s young enough to have a BroLo style 3rd act to his career.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Ownership is going to make hundreds of millions when they sell the team.

you absolutely dont know that. in fact just like everything in history besides perhaps precious metals its possible the franchise values could drop. combine that with massive deficit spending its how businesses fail. practically at some point we KNOW that might happen. its how a market works

[M-C-G]

Thad Young - make it happen

Good luck finding $14M to match in salary.

I'm assuming he will come to a buy out.

[ShootingtheJ]

Ownership is going to make hundreds of millions when they sell the team.

you absolutely dont know that. in fact just like everything in history besides perhaps precious metals its possible the franchise values could drop. combine that with massive deficit spending its how businesses fail. practically at some point we KNOW that might happen. its how a market works

The owners will make hundreds of millions of they sell the team. It's how sports ownerships works. Franchise values have never dropped in sports history. A new massive TV deal is coming up. The NBA looks great for the longterm future.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Ownership is going to make hundreds of millions when they sell the team.

you absolutely dont know that. in fact just like everything in history besides perhaps precious metals its possible the franchise values could drop. combine that with massive deficit spending its how businesses fail. practically at some point we KNOW that might happen. its how a market works

The owners will make hundreds of millions of they sell the team. It's how sports ownerships works. Franchise values have never dropped in sports history. A new massive TV deal is coming up. The NBA looks great for the longterm future.

yeah thats how home ownership worked too....until it didnt. kind of like the nba in the 70s too. maybe even collective bargaining could affect it..... or even giannis leaving.

bottom line values could stagnate and running the smallest market in the league at a 30-50 million a year deficit for a decade adds up to how much exactly? i know if i owned the bucks i would like to think id rather not lose a half billion dollars in the next decade me personally. the fans could go **** off if thats what they told me "my obligation" was. thats ridiculous. we won a chip but we still aint ny or cali either.

our owners have spent and generally spent well. theyve shown that they will spend and theyve shown that they can win. the idea they should piss money into the wind or light it on fire "just because" is moronic tho imo

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

next year if they resign portis. resign ddv. make more mle type acquisitions...... the tucker deal will be long forgotten. id assume they have a longterm spending plan with a framework that is aggressive but perhaps short of asinine.

[tski1972]

Thad Young - make it happen

Good luck finding $14M to match in salary.

I'm assuming he will come to a buy out.

I think he holds a lot more value in a trade scenario for San Antonio, I can’t see a buyout happening.

[paulpressey25]

. the tucker deal will be long forgotten.

If they win the title this year or next, then yes. If not, then no.

The move to make the team stronger by shelling out extra dollars for PJ was in the owners court. They said no, we can do this for less money. They put it on Horst to figure it out. Hopefully he has and does.

[WRau1]

DDV was practicing with the team yesterday and today, looks to be in great shape.

[drone3]

next year if they resign portis. resign ddv. make more mle type acquisitions...... the tucker deal will be long forgotten. id assume they have a longterm spending plan with a framework that is aggressive but perhaps short of asinine.

This right here, FO are looking ahead.

They were focused on keeping and bringing in younger guys like Portis, Grayson, Semi. Not all of these moves were going to work out. Semi looks unplayable and they have broken glass by bringing in Boogie & Wes.

Still got Bobby on the cheap and Grayson signed up.

[skones]

The Bucks got better today and lost nothing for their future. More than fine with this. Now go get Bamba

This "go get Bamba" stuff needs to die. We have nothing to deal for him. The big men we should be targeting are guys rotting on benches or who have fallen out of favor that are post hype with upside. Bamba is no longer "post hype" because he's actually producing. Bol Bol is the guy who's probably at the tip top of that mold right now. Kabengele another candidate.

I’m not so sure. He’s been inconsistent as a starter for Orlando and they just re-signed WCJ after signing Isaac long term last year to the max. Once he’s back they’re going to have a logjam at the 4/5 with Wagner and Okeke in the mix. Bamba’s QO next year is 10 million and if he gets a raise I’m not sure they want to pay a bench guy that kind of salary.

If Donte can prove to be effective upon his return they may start to listen with a Donte/Nwora package. Really just sucks they don’t have a pick to trade them other than 2nds or another legit prospect. Another time where missing on like 7 straight first rounders or so has come back to bite them.

It's far less about Orlando's situation and more that we have absolutely nothing to give right now. We're in December and have no established timeline on Donte. That leaves what, two and a half months? Donte will be up for a payday at the end of the year. He plays the same position as the guy they just 5th overall. Deals have to make sense for other teams, not just us. Nothing we have makes sense for Orlando in the context of Mo Bamba.

[4xBuck]

So, Georgios for Boogie and Wes... Sounds good.

I'd also be careful with the Ojeleye hate. I know the cool chicks on the board gotta get their hate on and villainize a player or two, but it doesn't add up with Ojeleye. He was playing hurt and his shot was off. Kinda like how Tucker sucked last year before joining the Bucks.

When Ojeleye gets healthy and just performs to his mean, he'll be usefull. I still think he'll be better than that; we'll see. For guarding Durant, it wasn't like Tucker locked him down. Tucker made him work for his points and releaved Freak and Midds from spending their energy guarding Durant. Ojeleye will be able to do that, too.

[skones]

Good luck finding $14M to match in salary.

I'm assuming he will come to a buy out.

I think he holds a lot more value in a trade scenario for San Antonio, I can’t see a buyout happening.

I'm not so sure. He's playing 16 minutes a night on that club and has taken 2 threes all season.